by Snowflake Royal » 08 Dec 2019 17:19
by Victor Meldrew » 08 Dec 2019 19:30
ZipJR Just watched the highlights. I didn’t realise at the time, but it was shocking goalkeeping by Rafael for the 2nd.
Looked like a cracking free kick, but should have been comfortably saved. Rafael was that side of the goal and dived with his wrong hand.
Yep. At the time I thought it was a good free-kick but still has a question mark about Rafael. Watching it after I felt he should have saved it.
by Zip » 08 Dec 2019 19:38
Snowflake Royal Cabral
Yiadom
Obita
Miazga
Morrison
Moore
Pele
Rinomhota
Swift
Baldock
Joao
In the 5-3-2 is my pick of our best XI. Though a 4-3-3 with Miazga and Moore, and Baldock left, Meite right would be decent too.
by Snowflake Royal » 08 Dec 2019 21:30
ZipSnowflake Royal Cabral
Yiadom
Obita
Miazga
Morrison
Moore
Pele
Rinomhota
Swift
Baldock
Joao
In the 5-3-2 is my pick of our best XI. Though a 4-3-3 with Miazga and Moore, and Baldock left, Meite right would be decent too.
No Ejaria?
by URZZZZ » 08 Dec 2019 22:59
NewCorkSethURZZZZNewCorkSeth Oh This looks fun.
Preferred formation - 5-3-2 - Which says a lot as I have been vehemently opposed to that for quite a while on here. It is the best use of the players we have. By some distance.
Starting strikers - Controversial one incoming but I think Joao and Puscas. Baldock works his arse off and was in good form before his injury but Joao offers more and in different areas. Meite will miss out which is not a good thing but Puscas is simply a slightly better player.
Ball Players - Agreed. That formation is the only way to fit them in and keep 2 up top. We should be doing everything possible to maximise their time on the pitch.
Defenders - Based on last game? Morrison... Based on the season so far? Moore...
Boye - Is shite, a massive liability and offers no more than Barrett, Loader, Olise, Adam, Baldock, oxf*rd it, anyone in the team who can play up front, on the wing or as a 10 offers more than him. Drop him and ship him.
As I said, an easy scapegoat
Dont be reductionist. Look at all my posts that mention Boye since he came. I've said this since the start. It's not because we lost I think hes shit and I dont think we lost because of him. I'm far from scapegoating him.
Richards was probably mostly to blame for the defeat. Maybe Bowen. They can be my escapegoats this time.
by leon » 08 Dec 2019 23:30
URZZZZNewCorkSethURZZZZ
As I said, an easy scapegoat
Dont be reductionist. Look at all my posts that mention Boye since he came. I've said this since the start. It's not because we lost I think hes shit and I dont think we lost because of him. I'm far from scapegoating him.
Richards was probably mostly to blame for the defeat. Maybe Bowen. They can be my escapegoats this time.
Richards was only at fault for goal three to be fair
I just think people are writing off Boye too quickly not having a decent consistent run in the side. Not many people (including me) thought Pele was much cop at the start but he's been quite good recently. Players can change but the only way we can see is through game time and he's not getting enough
by Millsy » 09 Dec 2019 00:54
by URZZZZ » 09 Dec 2019 01:04
2 world wars, 1 world cup What an AWFUL performance by so many.
Boye. Just **** off. I've seen enough now and have sussed him out. Fine to play him when you've nothing to lose and could do with a creative spark 1 in 10 times with losing the ball and zero shite end product the rest of the time. But to bring him on early when we still have a chance when you have João on the bench. No thanks.
Richards. Losing the plot more every game. Some good moments but still the liability I always thought he was defensively. Error cost us a point effectively.
Bowen - totally screwed up here. Should have won comfortably against a team who made enforced changes. Miazga off. Wtf!??? We always look shite without him. 442 so early when we don't have the wingers or defenders for it and with no bottle in midfield? No wonder we were TOTALLY raped in midfield and Morrison lost the plot in defence. Boye a possible winger (whatever the frik he is) sent up front. GMac on the wrong side. God knows who or why playing on the right. A total mess. His only saving grace was bringing on Adam who was shockingly just excellent.
Which leads me onto positives.
Adam. Brilliant. Controlled the game. Nuff said.
João. Did good.
Overall this won't be popular but I place this defeat at the door of Bowen who just lost the plot.
by NewCorkSeth » 09 Dec 2019 09:05
URZZZZNewCorkSethURZZZZ
As I said, an easy scapegoat
Dont be reductionist. Look at all my posts that mention Boye since he came. I've said this since the start. It's not because we lost I think hes shit and I dont think we lost because of him. I'm far from scapegoating him.
Richards was probably mostly to blame for the defeat. Maybe Bowen. They can be my escapegoats this time.
Richards was only at fault for goal three to be fair
I just think people are writing off Boye too quickly not having a decent consistent run in the side. Not many people (including me) thought Pele was much cop at the start but he's been quite good recently. Players can change but the only way we can see is through game time and he's not getting enough
by Hound » 09 Dec 2019 09:22
by Maneki Neko » 09 Dec 2019 09:29
by NewCorkSeth » 09 Dec 2019 09:44
Hound quick scan on who scored provides something I thought fairly interesting - Puscas, Meite (10 times ) and Boye managed to lose possession a pretty staggering 22 times between them. Obvs could be a result of the service not being great, but I think its more about an inability to hold up the ball
One poster asked about Joao and why people said he did ok - was going to post that the ball actually stuck to him - and the stats back it up - he lost the ball once.
Its a bit of a theme actually - going back to Wigan, Puscas especially lost the ball a lot (9).
Clearly its a pretty big issue. And another reason I'd be looking to going back to Baldock sooner rather than later
by URZZZZ » 09 Dec 2019 10:20
NewCorkSethHound quick scan on who scored provides something I thought fairly interesting - Puscas, Meite (10 times ) and Boye managed to lose possession a pretty staggering 22 times between them. Obvs could be a result of the service not being great, but I think its more about an inability to hold up the ball
One poster asked about Joao and why people said he did ok - was going to post that the ball actually stuck to him - and the stats back it up - he lost the ball once.
Its a bit of a theme actually - going back to Wigan, Puscas especially lost the ball a lot (9).
Clearly its a pretty big issue. And another reason I'd be looking to going back to Baldock sooner rather than later
Worth noting that the time Joao lost it he was surrounded by 2-3 opposition players, had no easy backpass and chased back to recover it (he didnt, but at least he tried)
Joao is, however, one of the highest in terms of balls lost per 90 in the team currently I'm pretty sure. But he loses it in a different way. He can play with his back to goal, the others can't.
by Hound » 09 Dec 2019 10:32
by muirinho » 09 Dec 2019 10:45
by NewCorkSeth » 09 Dec 2019 10:47
URZZZZNewCorkSethHound quick scan on who scored provides something I thought fairly interesting - Puscas, Meite (10 times ) and Boye managed to lose possession a pretty staggering 22 times between them. Obvs could be a result of the service not being great, but I think its more about an inability to hold up the ball
One poster asked about Joao and why people said he did ok - was going to post that the ball actually stuck to him - and the stats back it up - he lost the ball once.
Its a bit of a theme actually - going back to Wigan, Puscas especially lost the ball a lot (9).
Clearly its a pretty big issue. And another reason I'd be looking to going back to Baldock sooner rather than later
Worth noting that the time Joao lost it he was surrounded by 2-3 opposition players, had no easy backpass and chased back to recover it (he didnt, but at least he tried)
Joao is, however, one of the highest in terms of balls lost per 90 in the team currently I'm pretty sure. But he loses it in a different way. He can play with his back to goal, the others can't.
He loses it because he tries to be too fancy, he beats two in a mazy run and suddenly thinks he can morph into Ronaldo and inevitably slows the attack down/loses it. I still haven’t forgotten just how poor he was in that Blackburn home game and that’s always in my mind
He has had a couple of good games this season but he’s very much a 1 in 4 player, like the Sheffield fans warned us of, and he’s done nothing to break that mould here so far, which is why I’m sceptical of him
by Hound » 09 Dec 2019 10:59
muirinho The most frustrating game in ages - Bowen showing all of his inexperience as a manager and making all the mistakes he could possibly make in one game, including throwing the players under a bus afterwards. Short of replacing Rafael with Virginia, I can't think of worse substitutions / tactics. The only right thing he did was bringing on Charlie Adam
I'm hoping this means he gets all of that out of his system, and learns from it rather than it becoming a recurring theme.
by genome » 09 Dec 2019 11:01
by URZZZZ » 09 Dec 2019 11:04
NewCorkSethURZZZZNewCorkSeth Worth noting that the time Joao lost it he was surrounded by 2-3 opposition players, had no easy backpass and chased back to recover it (he didnt, but at least he tried)
Joao is, however, one of the highest in terms of balls lost per 90 in the team currently I'm pretty sure. But he loses it in a different way. He can play with his back to goal, the others can't.
He loses it because he tries to be too fancy, he beats two in a mazy run and suddenly thinks he can morph into Ronaldo and inevitably slows the attack down/loses it. I still haven’t forgotten just how poor he was in that Blackburn home game and that’s always in my mind
He has had a couple of good games this season but he’s very much a 1 in 4 player, like the Sheffield fans warned us of, and he’s done nothing to break that mould here so far, which is why I’m sceptical of him
I mean, that's true, he does do that. But so does Boye who you are defending against the same charges. There has been just over 100 minutes difference in time played between them yet Joao you criticise despite scoring 2 and assisting 3 but Boye, with no goals and no assists, just needs more time..
by URZZZZ » 09 Dec 2019 11:04
Hound Boye also gave away 5 fouls in 45 mins.
He really did stink the place out didn't he?
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