Seol

[knobby_1871]

agreed, cannot see how people can support Seol after last 3 games I have seen him play, 10 mins hard work in 90 resulted in Shorey having to do his job last night as he laboured up and down. Backed off VDS when he was collecting ball outside his area until crowd had a go.

Admit booing is a bit harsh for your own players but what else can you do if you want more out of them, wave a white hanky??

[Basingstoke Royal]

Seol is a good player. He can win games and change games in an instant.

What i hate though is the fact that everyone else gives 100%.

Last season I felt similar thoughts about Lita, but he has upped his game and battles for every ball and jumps to try and win headers.

All Seol needs to do is give 100%. Tackle back, make runs, run off the pitch when your side are losing rather than strolling as if we are 5 nil up!

Its basic stuff, and he can do the business. His commitment is what frustrates Reading fans. I dont think he deserved to get booed - until he didnt hurry up and get off the pitch.

[Hahnemann's Hairdresser]

You need to read my post again. Just because he has scored a few goals in the early part of the season it does not make him immune from any kind of criticism.

It is easy to take the 'high and mighty' I will never boo my own players approach, but the fact is that Seol does not give a toss about the club that we love as is shown by his continual lack of effort.

Agree with the first part, he was playing well at the beggining of the season but this doesn't mean he can sit back and put a string of poor performances and not be criticised for it. It's not a good sign that he seems to have a track record of doing this.

However condoning booing a player is wrong. I was far from happy with Seol's performance but I didn't boo him and didn't get on his back every time it looked like he was going to get the ball. As long as he is a Reading player he has my support, this doesn't mean to say I can't take a retrospective look at his performances of the last few months and say he has been poor.

[Only one Trevor Morley]

How based on last nights performance could you call him quality? Even in the early stages of the season he would do nothing for vast periods in games, fortunately for him (and us) though he would make the odd telling contribution.

I don't see the problem with booing Seol. I never did to Hughsey as for all his faults (of which there were many) he gave 110% every time he pulled on the hoops. The boo's are merely signs of frustration towards a man who seems devoid of any passion or commitment. The number of times Seol pulled out of 50/50 challenges last night was laughable and he was never interested in running at Brown, who lets face it, he could have had the beating of. I for one was incensed at the way he laboured to leave the pitch at a time when we were starting to put real pressure on United.

If you think the boo's are a sign of plastics then you are very naive indeed. It has and always will happen at every club and based on Seols efforts last night compared to the res of our team, is justified.

Thank Christ somebody on here has a brain.

says the scarecrow........

[Jaques Francais]

Seol will never be the sort of energetic player that say Hunt or Shorey is. He will invariably be frustrating and look lazy at times. And yes, he is going through a period of particularly bad form at the moment, that is highlighting those negative aspects of his game even more so than at the beginning of the season. But my point is, those aspects were still evident then - it's just that he made up for it in other areas.

Seol does have the ability to change (and win) games, as we have seen and no one can deny. However, last night was not one of them and I too was willing Sir Steve to get him off the pitch and either get Hunt or Little on. But to say that he should ship out for a poor run of form, at this stage, is ludicrous. He still has a lot to offer the team.

On a side - but related - note, Oster was fantastic last night, where in the past I felt him to be lacklustre. He is showing some form that may well mean he pushes for a starting place. That is the beauty of having more than one player for a position (ie a squad) - at one time or another, a player will drop in form. Hopefully, there will always be someone to fill his boots.

[Only one Trevor Morley]

How based on last nights performance could you call him quality? Even in the early stages of the season he would do nothing for vast periods in games, fortunately for him (and us) though he would make the odd telling contribution.

I don't see the problem with booing Seol. I never did to Hughsey as for all his faults (of which there were many) he gave 110% every time he pulled on the hoops. The boo's are merely signs of frustration towards a man who seems devoid of any passion or commitment. The number of times Seol pulled out of 50/50 challenges last night was laughable and he was never interested in running at Brown, who lets face it, he could have had the beating of. I for one was incensed at the way he laboured to leave the pitch at a time when we were starting to put real pressure on United.

If you think the boo's are a sign of plastics then you are very naive indeed. It has and always will happen at every club and based on Seols efforts last night compared to the res of our team, is justified.

This nonsense about lack of passion and commitment needs to be questioned. Coppell could be accused of lacking passion. Indeed there was many who wanted rid of him because he lacked passion.

Unfortunately idiots like you are unable to comprehend that certain players have different styles. Just because Seol doesnt run around beating his chest andf flying for every ball doesnt mean he is less committed. Occasionally you need a player who has quality on the ball - which he possesses. When that quality isnt switched on then of course he becomes a frustrating player. But that doesnt mean he lacks passion - it just means he isnt playign as well as he can - charing around doesnt mean he becomes a better player. if he lacks passion about his performance why did he refuse to shake Coppells hand. That shows passion - that he wants to be in the side and that he didnt play well.... if he had trudged off smiling then yes we would have been in trouble........

Of course Seols performance was frustrating - but give me one Seol for 10 Andy Hughes any day of the week.

The reason England havent won the World Cup for 40 years is becuase of people like you who prefer energy to quality and who most importantly fail to recognise that a porr performance quality wise doesnt neccessarily mean that the persons commitment should be called into question.....

[zac naloen]

I think people are getting In-form and tries hard confused.

An In-Form player can be lazy all game, pop-up and score a wonder goal. Because they have that much confidence. This was Seol at the beginning of the season. Although I think lazy is the wrong word to describe this but my vocabularly is letting me down today.

An Off-form player can try hard all game but nothing will quite work for them despite this, I.e shots off target if a striker (Rooney early this season). Passes a-stray if a midfielder (convey with his injury).. tackles late if a defender..

A lazy off-form player is something else entirely.

[A1ndy]

I think people are getting In-form and tries hard confused.

An In-Form player can be lazy all game, pop-up and score a wonder goal. Because they have that much confidence. This was Seol at the beginning of the season. Although I think lazy is the wrong word to describe this but my vocabularly is letting me down today.

An Off-form player can try hard all game but nothing will quite work for them despite this, I.e shots off target if a striker (Rooney early this season). Passes a-stray if a midfielder (convey with his injury).. tackles late if a defender..

A lazy off-form player is something else entirely.

I admit Seol had a bad game last night and didnt look interested, but getting on his back every time he was on the ball is only going to make him worse, and booing him is just out of order being honest.

Yeah hes not playing well when hes given the chance, but hes not going to get any better being heavily criticised everytime he plays. Some Royals fans are so fickle, because start of the season everyone was saying what a "Bargain" he was!!

[Jaques Francais]

Some Royals fans are so fickle

Bear in mind the whingers have very little to complain about in terms of the player's performances, so they will focus on anything.

[zac naloen]

Don't worry, I never boo players and I never boo the team. But I do understand the frustration (but not the limited intelligence ) of the people who do.

[Alan Partridge]

Utter shite was it deserved.

So a player that has had a positive effect on our season and been a part of the most succesful squad in the history of this club deserves to be booed?

The 10,000 hangers on deserve to be booed, told to fcuk off forever.

Bla bla bla I'm a true fan

Just not a retard that thinks booing one of our own players is proactive. Mostly started by newbies who haven't ever really seen a bad player before.

[zac naloen]

Just not a retard that thinks booing one of our own players is proactive. Mostly started by newbies who haven't ever really seen a bad player before.

Neither am I. But that entire post reads as nothing more than elitist "I'm better than you" posturing.

[Peter Kay - Top of the To]

I honestly thought Seol had a decent game last night - lots of tackling back, good passing, excellent shot on goal. Admittedly he was outshone somewhat by his fellow midfielders, with Sidders Gunnar and Oster having excellent games.

Having said all that, ignoring Coppell when he came off is unforgiveable for a player of his experience (sometimes you can forgive the petulance of youth). I do fear for his Reading future.

Dont mean to be piccy Adrians Fool mate, but from where I was watching I didnt see one bit of tackling back, his passing was shocking and apart from the one shot on goal, I felt he was diabolical. Each to their own on Seol though, hes a bit of an Andy Hughes in that respect.

I have to say though, I thought Sidwell had a poor game by his shigh tandards and only started playing well in the last half hour of the second half. He has extremely high standards and he will be unhappy about how sloppy we were with possession at times. The pitch didnt help though and I felt we achieved more (for once) when we sent the ball long to Kitson.

[Only one Trevor Morley]

Just not a retard that thinks booing one of our own players is proactive. Mostly started by newbies who haven't ever really seen a bad player before.

Neither am I. But that entire post reads as nothing more than elitist "I'm better than you" posturing.

but his arguments are better than yours. Booing never results in a player finding form - its just done by individuals who are unable to deal with their own frustrations in a rational way.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Perhaps that will trigger a better quality of response from you?

[Jaques Francais]

Just not a retard that thinks booing one of our own players is proactive. Mostly started by newbies who haven't ever really seen a bad player before.

Have to agree with Alan - very rare for a player to be buoyed up when booed at. Typically it just knocks their confidence further and contributes to whatever problem has caused the dip in form. Positive encouragement is the way forward, unless you have a team of West Ham players, in which case nothing will help.

[zac naloen]

but his arguments are better than yours. Booing never results in a player finding form - its just done by individuals who are unable to deal with their own frustrations in a rational way.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Perhaps that will trigger a better quality of response from you?

Trevor Morely, read my responses, where do I say I boo'd the player?

Where do I say I agree with booing players?

Kindly, oxf*rd off.

[Only one Trevor Morley]

but his arguments are better than yours. Booing never results in a player finding form - its just done by individuals who are unable to deal with their own frustrations in a rational way.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Perhaps that will trigger a better quality of response from you?

Trevor Morely, read my responses, where do I say I boo'd the player?

Where do I say I agree with booing players?

Kindly, oxf*rd off.

but you understand the frustrations of those who do - I dont.

[Jaques Francais]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Perhaps that will trigger a better quality of response from you?

Kindly, oxf*rd off.

That'll be 'no' then.

[zac naloen]

but his arguments are better than yours. Booing never results in a player finding form - its just done by individuals who are unable to deal with their own frustrations in a rational way.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Perhaps that will trigger a better quality of response from you?

Trevor Morely, read my responses, where do I say I boo'd the player?

Where do I say I agree with booing players?

Kindly, oxf*rd off.

You're all saying you disagree with me when I agree with you that he shouldn't be boo'd. My only complaint against Alan was that telling 10,000 fans to "oxf*rd off" is elitist and unnecessary. Open your eyes, read what is written.

but you understand the frustrations of those who do - I dont.

You've never watched a player do something stupid and gotten slightly frustrated?

That'll be 'no' then.

Open your eyes, read what is written. I agree with all of you that he shouldn't be boo'd. The only objection I take is that Alans comment for 10,000 fans to "oxf*rd off" is elitist and unnecessary.

[Super Kevin Bremner!]

Definition of irony:

Reading supporter stands up and claps hands during chorus of: Stand up for Steve Coppell.

Same Reading supporter sees Seol substituted and stands and boos Seol off the pitch.

Seol is Mr inconsistent - not lazy. He played as well as he could yesterday against a good United side (not brilliant, but good), and was exposed. Fair comment. He trudged off at 1mph - that was annoying, but this came after AND during the boo boys doing their bit.

The irony is that it was Steve Coppell who exposed the side to Seol's inadequecies, based on his ability, his match performances to date and his performances in training. Seol has been consistent in his inconsistency since we signed him. Coppell knows all this. Don't forget, his woeful performance was allowed by Coppell to last 70 or so minutes. Therefore for those who boo'd, it was Coppell who merited those boos, not Seol.

So, in case you haven't worked it out, if you are one of the supporters who joined in both chants last night, then you're an idiot.

Understand now?

For the record, I clapped him off.