Murty or Parky ?

[kingsleyroyal]

Ok,

get it over with now - FECK OFF NEWBIE!!!!

Mr Controversial is a c*nt! Lets all agree to it now. Mr C, you know feck all about Reading Football Club, you know nothing about Murts, his family. You have no right to get personal about any of our players, especially one of the only players who has shown any passion about the club all season.
Have you considered that maybe people approach Mrs M as opposed to her trying to get exposure herself????

Try channelling your energies into supporting ambassadors of the club instead of unjustly slagging them off.

Good night, god bless and thank you very much!

The KINGsley

[Mr Controversial]

Ok,

get it over with now - FECK OFF NEWBIE!!!!

Mr Controversial is a c*nt! Lets all agree to it now. Mr C, you know feck all about Reading Football Club, you know nothing about Murts, his family. You have no right to get personal about any of our players, especially one of the only players who has shown any passion about the club all season.
Have you considered that maybe people approach Mrs M as opposed to her trying to get exposure herself????

Try channelling your energies into supporting ambassadors of the club instead of unjustly slagging them off.

Good night, god bless and thank you very much!

The KINGsley

An interesting post to say the least....it would appear that you only just registered your account on the 3rd March 2008 yet you are calling me the newbie? Although I have only been registered since 2004 with this username, I was Royals_r_us for a few years before?

I have been watching Reading since 1993 at Elm Park and was privilidged to watch someone like Phil Parkinson play. I am quite entitled to my opinions on Parky vs Murty as I was there, and saw them both with my own eyes....are you in a position to give an opinion to the original vote on this thread, do you know who Mr Parkinson was?

Maybe I am wrong, maybe you were there, and maybe you believe Mr Murty to be "the bigger legend" - thats your opinion - you wont hear me calling you a C**t for having a different opinion to me.

I stand by my comments on the Murty family, indeed since my last post I have read/heard/seen futher articles about them...why? What possible interest can a Reading fan have in Mrs Murty above and beyond her ability to support Graham in his job as Reading captain. Maybe next time someone interviews Coppell we should get his wife, or his son, or his window cleaner to come out and give us their opinion too - would that interest you?

In all my years following Reading FC (about 16 years) I cannot ever recall players wifes getting involved with the media to the extent that Mrs Murty does. I cannot remember Mrs Parkinson, or Mrs Holsgrove, or Mrs Gilkes ever getting on the radio. I dont ever remember seeing Mrs Caskey or Mrs Hammond in the papers?

I honestly believe that Mrs Murty loves the limelight and is saddened by the fact that her reign as a Premiership WAG is coming to an end which is why she is making one last push to get as much exposure as she can before she has to resign herself to the fact that she is now only a WAG. I wonder if she will have a book coming out soon or whether Sky One will start a series of "The Murtys" along the same line as the "Osbournes"?

To end, I would agree with you on two points. Firstly you are right to say that I dont know the Murty family (but only because I turn the radio off when they come on) and secondly Murty has been one of the few playes to show any form of passion this season, but I cannot disagree with you more when you say I dont know "F" all about Reading FC.

Reading FC needs ambassadors, true, but these do not come in the form of a footballers wife.

PS) I am honored that you chose me as your first thread - thank you

[RG30]

Ok,

get it over with now - FECK OFF NEWBIE!!!!

Mr Controversial is a c*nt! Lets all agree to it now. Mr C, you know feck all about Reading Football Club, you know nothing about Murts, his family. You have no right to get personal about any of our players, especially one of the only players who has shown any passion about the club all season.
Have you considered that maybe people approach Mrs M as opposed to her trying to get exposure herself????

Try channelling your energies into supporting ambassadors of the club instead of unjustly slagging them off.

Good night, god bless and thank you very much!

The KINGsley

An interesting post to say the least....it would appear that you only just registered your account on the 3rd March 2008 yet you are calling me the newbie? Although I have only been registered since 2004 with this username, I was Royals_r_us for a few years before?

I have been watching Reading since 1993 at Elm Park and was privilidged to watch someone like Phil Parkinson play. I am quite entitled to my opinions on Parky vs Murty as I was there, and saw them both with my own eyes....are you in a position to give an opinion to the original vote on this thread, do you know who Mr Parkinson was?

Maybe I am wrong, maybe you were there, and maybe you believe Mr Murty to be "the bigger legend" - thats your opinion - you wont hear me calling you a C**t for having a different opinion to me.

I stand by my comments on the Murty family, indeed since my last post I have read/heard/seen futher articles about them...why? What possible interest can a Reading fan have in Mrs Murty above and beyond her ability to support Graham in his job as Reading captain. Maybe next time someone interviews Coppell we should get his wife, or his son, or his window cleaner to come out and give us their opinion too - would that interest you?

In all my years following Reading FC (about 16 years) I cannot ever recall players wifes getting involved with the media to the extent that Mrs Murty does. I cannot remember Mrs Parkinson, or Mrs Holsgrove, or Mrs Gilkes ever getting on the radio. I dont ever remember seeing Mrs Caskey or Mrs Hammond in the papers?

I honestly believe that Mrs Murty loves the limelight and is saddened by the fact that her reign as a Premiership WAG is coming to an end which is why she is making one last push to get as much exposure as she can before she has to resign herself to the fact that she is now only a WAG. I wonder if she will have a book coming out soon or whether Sky One will start a series of "The Murtys" along the same line as the "Osbournes"?

To end, I would agree with you on two points. Firstly you are right to say that I dont know the Murty family (but only because I turn the radio off when they come on) and secondly Murty has been one of the few playes to show any form of passion this season, but I cannot disagree with you more when you say I dont know "F" all about Reading FC.

Reading FC needs ambassadors, true, but these do not come in the form of a footballers wife.

PS) I am honored that you chose me as your first thread - thank you

I find it hard to disagree with you Mr Controversial.

[glass half full]

Murty and Parkinson alike will always be remembered in the annals of RFC as hardworking, loyal players.

I hope that Murts will be groomed as a coach in the RFC staff, as I feel that he will be as inspirational off the field as on.

Karen does not 'seek' publicity. The Royal Families' efforts in raising money are to be applauded.

M-U-R-T-Y!!!

[taipeiroyal]

Very tough call but for me but Parky just shades it because he was inspirational during the tough times in league 1.
Murty is a hero too but has had the fortune of leading us in our glory years.
What Parky did after leaving RFC leaves a bitter taste but I see it as irrelevent to his contribution here.

[Chuckle Brother]

Personally I'd say neither. They were both average players at best that tried to make up for their lack of talent with a mixture of effort or applauding the fans in attempting to become a fan's favourite.
A legend should be (in my opinion) someone who has the capability to single-handedly change games. To compare those two to the likes of Friday, Osborne or even Little is frankly ridiculous.

[Millsy]

As has already beautifully been explained, both were/are legends in different ways for different stages in our fight.

One thing I would go by would be the chanting i.e. the fans' response. Murty has the MURTY chant which is good and gets sung often.

However Pakry had several chants;

"Parky's gonna get ya"

and of course the massive chant that to my mind beats any other chant for any other player in my memory of supporting RFC. in terms of length and people joining in...

"On the 1st day of Christmas.... etc"

HOWEVER

it has to be remembered that Parky was around in pre-plastic times when we actually used to chant but Murty's reign has generally been in a time when it's considered rude to support your team vocally.

[Platypuss]

As a counterpoint, for much of that time Parky got such support as it wasn't really worth singing for anyone else.

[taipeiroyal]

Personally I'd say neither. They were both average players at best that tried to make up for their lack of talent with a mixture of effort or applauding the fans in attempting to become a fan's favourite.
A legend should be (in my opinion) someone who has the capability to single-handedly change games. To compare those two to the likes of Friday, Osborne or even Little is frankly ridiculous.

Osbourne a Reading legend?
Great player yes, but was at Reading for ONE whole season and then left us.
Friday was a legend but he dumped us to go to Cardiff and Little even though I think he's been amazing for the club probably hasn't been here long enough to secure legend status.

To my mind one of the important qualities that both Parky and Murty had/have is their loyalty to the club and their affinity with the fans. Yes we have had more skilfull players but in these days of mercenary footballers, love for a club, passion and loyalty are recognised as such by the fans as essential attributes to secure legend status.

[Dr Hfuhruhurr]

As a counterpoint, for much of that time Parky got such support as it wasn't really worth singing for anyone else.

In the same vein, at one point Parkinson was the best player at the club. Murty has never been this - he may be more successful, but that is no reason to consider him a 'bigger legend', because he had by far the better squad to captain.

[rhroyal]

Personally I'd say neither. They were both average players at best that tried to make up for their lack of talent with a mixture of effort or applauding the fans in attempting to become a fan's favourite.
A legend should be (in my opinion) someone who has the capability to single-handedly change games. To compare those two to the likes of Friday, Osborne or even Little is frankly ridiculous.

I can take your point on Parky a bit, but name a better right back than Murty who has played for this club? He is our best ever right back in terms of consistency over the years and stepped up to the Premiership last season, even if this year he started to look a bit old and off the pace.

As for Parky, I can see where you're coming from but I still disagree. He wasn't blessed with skill to change a game with defence splitting passes or great runs, but we was a great leader. We was capable of leading by example, closing people down and diving into every tackle. He could get the whole team going, and lift our performance. You should remember that he was twice voted player of the season, he must have been pretty good.

[Chuckle Brother]

Given some of the definitions of "legend" within this thread, perhaps Andy Hughes should have been included in the poll aswell.

[Millsy]

As a counterpoint, for much of that time Parky got such support as it wasn't really worth singing for anyone else.

In the same vein, at one point Parkinson was the best player at the club. Murty has never been this - he may be more successful, but that is no reason to consider him a 'bigger legend', because he had by far the better squad to captain.

Good points. I'm not arguing either way - think they're both 'legends' in their own ways as I say. But a counter-counterpoint would be the fact that Parky was a hero despite a shoddy team around him adds to his greatness.

[sucatraps]

Perhaps people should remember that Parky cost less, did more, more often and remained with Reading in spite of other more lucrative offers! He was by any yardstick an inspiration. The first to admit that he made the most of a modest amount of natural talent. He was always first on the training pitch, last off the training pitch, a natural, dynamic leader and a tiger in the tackle. The only player to attend a fan's dinner in a Buxton hotel, when we travelled away to play at places like Stoke and so on. He did more than any other player in local community work and is a thoroughly approachable, likable and genuine individual. As much as I admired his professional qualities, even I was surprised at how well known and respected he was by his professional peers, even those at the highest levels of the game. Read the plaudits at the time of his testimonial, written by people like Gazza and not the press office, Parky deserves his Reading legend status, without a shadow of a doubt!

[Ian Royal]

I'm leaning more towards Murts now, after hearing about his phone in during the week.

Really there should be no comparison, and I don't mean because it's obvious, I mean because who is the biggest legend is a pointless debate.

They were and Murts still is a great servant of the club. I totally disagree that Murty wasn't good enough to play in the premiership. We missed him last season during his periods out and whilst he struggled with playing in th etop level his determination and dedication pulled him through most weeks.

Lets not forget that Murts is really a lower league player who reached the prem towards the end of his career and still managed to make the step up to perform well against excellent wingers most weeks. He certainly didn't do any worse a job than Rosenior or De La Cruz when thehy got their brief chances.

Mrs Murty, works hard for Charity which is to be commended. Mr C might like to have a little think about why he didn't hear anything from her before we got to the Prem, maybe it's because no one was interested in a solid championship player's wife, nobody was pursuing her for interviews. However a charity working wife of a premier league captain is likely to be rather more sought after in the media.

[Keeper]

Both players are legends for me

If you look back at the start of our success you would have to say it was the work done in Division 2 to get out of that league, Parky was an integral part of that (Viveash with the free kick, Parky with the flick on, and Curo puts it in the Brentford net!) whereas Murty took over the captaincy and led the Club through the most amazing part of our history

Parky and Murty have different strengths and weaknesses, both are approachable (even in the services after a game) both lead by example, both are genuine fan favourites and both give/gave everything for this club

Murts may have more publicity but I think that is down to the attractiveness of football in general and our club in particular in the local media (which lets face it was not especially great a few years ago)

Both have their reasons for being considered the bigger legend, but for me there is only one deciding factor -

When Murty leaves this club, will the fans still sing his name years later like we do for Parky?

[Hoop Blah]

As a counterpoint, for much of that time Parky got such support as it wasn't really worth singing for anyone else.

In the same vein, at one point Parkinson was the best player at the club. Murty has never been this - he may be more successful, but that is no reason to consider him a 'bigger legend', because he had by far the better squad to captain.

When the hell was that then?

[Mr Controversial]

Mrs Murty, works hard for Charity which is to be commended. Mr C might like to have a little think about why he didn't hear anything from her before we got to the Prem, maybe it's because no one was interested in a solid championship player's wife, nobody was pursuing her for interviews. However a charity working wife of a premier league captain is likely to be rather more sought after in the media

I conceed that Mrs Murty does get involved in some very worthwhile causes, but so do a number of other RFC wives and they dont seem to hunger for the limelight like Mrs M.

Also, during the times when I have read or heard Mrs Murtys comments in the media, I can count one on hand the number of times she mentions the charity work and instead she seems to insist on raising the Murty profile. This was not always the case and I can remember some time ago when the majority of her comments were related to her excellent charity work - I wonder if the Premiership changed that?

I would understand if some of the other wives felt put out by Mrs Murty but I guess none would be brave enough to say so.

Mr C

[SpaceCruiser]

To compare those two to the likes of ... Osborne ....is frankly ridiculous.

Osbourne a Reading legend?

Who is this Osborne?

[Mad Dog's Ghost]

This is a great thread.

A toughie this one. Great posts by Forbury and Hoop Blah. Controversial one from Mr Controversial. Smells a bit of 'I'm a better fan than you' for me. And when you've only known the glory years (93, come on!) it doesn't cut the mustard.

Both absolute legends. I'm going for Murts because he came back from a very dodgy season to lead us to the promised land.

Floyd - Steggle ... another legend! He was at the darts night you know.