Wolverhampton Wanderers - I'm looking forward to seeing

[Focher]

You've sold an embarassing 380 tickets.

Prevention is better than a cure, wolfboy - not attending a game where you're likely to get spat on / have objects thrown at you / attacked on the way out of the ground > putting yourself in the position to experience the above.

Time for you to crawl back under that stone of yours methinks.

Garbage. No other reports of such activity at Molineux in the last few years, limited reports of crowd trouble compared with other clubs in the UK, Reading's hatred of Wolves being well and truly one directional and incidents like the ones fabricated in the evening post happening at other grounds across the country every weekend (not that that is any kind of excuse for it) means it's not likely that you'll have objects thrown at you, it's a remote possibility just as it at every other ground (Sir Jack Hayward for instance was spat on at the 'Mad Stad').

You're not going because you can't be bothered to travel a few hours to support your team on a midweek night.

what an absolute load of crip

[Thaumagurist*]

Not that I feel I have to justify myself to you mind - but if you're going to spout off, at least try to be accurate. I'm not going because I refuse to line the pockets of a club with utter neanderthals for supporters until proper segregation is put in place. And by proper segregation I mean vertical (and not horizontal) spearation.

Agreed. I thought they were going to do this, why haven't they done so?

[STAR Voice]

According to conversations I've had with Wolves regarding this game, there are 4 blocks of seats in the upper tier that have not been sold since the play off semi-final and in the lower tier, where Reading fans will be located, there will be 4 back rows netted off to increase the distance of the visitors from the upper tier.

In addition, the front 6 rows of the upper stand are now sold only to season ticket holders, and so Wolves believe they know who is sitting in each seat from their database. (The play-off semi-final was not a season ticket match and so effectively that area was sold on a general admission basis - which was half of the problem.)

They also now have now stewards at the front of the upper Steve Bull stand and pitch side stewards are also briefed to monitor the upper tier as well as the lower one.

All of the above has happened as a result of what happened in May 2003 (or what didn't according to peckhamwolf!).

I don't expect any problems to happen tomorrow and I'll be there happily to watch the match. However, as I always do at grounds where there have been problems in the past, I'll have a small digital camera ready, and I'd suggest everyone else does as well. As they say, a picture paints a thousand words and photographic evidence is invaluable. I wish we'd had some in 2003.

[BarryWhiteRFC]

After this little discussion I am definitely not going tomorrow night.

No, you should go, I want updates on how we are playing etc! *yes I am selfish*

I'll give you updates on the burnley game!

[rg6royal]

kebe skin Wolves defense.

[Archie's penalty]

After this little discussion I am definitely not going tomorrow night.

No, you should go, I want updates on how we are playing etc! *yes I am selfish*

I'll give you updates on the burnley game!

Ok I'll think about it.

[peckhamwolf]

Don't you find it confusing calling your sister mum?

Is that the very best you can do?

All of the above has happened as a result of what happened in May 2003 (or what didn't according to peckhamwolf!).

I don't deny there was trouble, which I can't and wouldn't attempt to justify, but generally Wolves haven't have a major hooligan element for a long long time and I don't believe it was true Wolves fans that caused the problems as no such misdemeanours have been reported since the front rows of the upper tier of the steve bull stand were reserved for season ticket holders.

The only games where problems tend to occur are against teams like Birmingham and Cardiff (outside, not inside the ground) where the idiots from the 70s and 80s come out of retirement. Most fans are pretty ashamed of them in all fairness.

I also think that while there were problems (I was at the game and witnessed much of what the Royals were griping about) they have been magnified by Readings bizarre hatred of Wolves which stemmed back much further than the play off game and the lack of protection Reading got from our useless stewards. I remember Royals fans particularly angry that Nathan Blake and Joleon Lescott had the audacity to celebrate like they were already promoted- of what concern is this to opposition supporters?!

[Dirk Gently]

I remember Royals fans particularly angry that Nathan Blake and Joleon Lescott had the audacity to celebrate like they were already promoted- of what concern is this to opposition supporters?!

That's strange, I'd forgotten all about that. But thanks for the reminder.

If every player celebrated a goal with the utterly obscene gestures that Blake and Lescott made directkly to the away supporters that day then football would have been shut down long ago. Absolutely no call for it, totally unnecessary!

[FiNeRaIn]

I was there and I cant even remmber what they did?

[TFF]

I was there and I cant even remmber what they did?

Was just going to type exactly that.

[brendywendy]

I was at the game and witnessed much of what the Royals were griping about

griping is the least of what we should have done after that disgrace

[Alan Partridge]

Don't you find it confusing calling your sister mum?

Is that the very best you can do?

All of the above has happened as a result of what happened in May 2003 (or what didn't according to peckhamwolf!).

I don't deny there was trouble, which I can't and wouldn't attempt to justify, but generally Wolves haven't have a major hooligan element for a long long time and I don't believe it was true Wolves fans that caused the problems as no such misdemeanours have been reported since the front rows of the upper tier of the steve bull stand were reserved for season ticket holders.

The only games where problems tend to occur are against teams like Birmingham and Cardiff (outside, not inside the ground) where the idiots from the 70s and 80s come out of retirement. Most fans are pretty ashamed of them in all fairness.

I also think that while there were problems (I was at the game and witnessed much of what the Royals were griping about) they have been magnified by Readings bizarre hatred of Wolves which stemmed back much further than the play off game and the lack of protection Reading got from our useless stewards. I remember Royals fans particularly angry that Nathan Blake and Joleon Lescott had the audacity to celebrate like they were already promoted- of what concern is this to opposition supporters?!

I was at the match and what i personally witnessed was the worst I've seen at football matches up and down the country. I saw a woman who was late 30's with an RFC scarf get thumped in the back, she was getting some treatment by the ambulance crew outside the away end, I saw a guy in front of me get a coin to the back of the head that cut his head and also a guy to his left get spat on. When we looked up it was quite embarassing seeing this fat, bald guy must have been mid 40's shouting his head off screaming with his 5 year old son next to him.

It was a very intimidating day and a horrible experience in all honesty, there's a line that was crossed that day. It was a terrible set up that i couldn't believe in a ground as modern as Molineux that the police as well as the club couldn't see the huge flaws in it. Away fans directly below home fans with an exit that means you are instantly surrounded by home supporters, I don't even want to imagine what that must be like for games against West Brom.

This is the first i've heard of Wolves tackling the problem so well done to them for that, I have no doubts it would be fine tomorrow, I have been back since for the 4-1 drubbing and also the 2-0 win there but i know many fans that won't ever go back there after 2003. I can't say I blame them tbh. If you stay at a shit hotel you aren't going to go back 'in case they've improved it' If people who were there in 2003 and saw similar things to what i saw I can totally understand their view on never going to that place again.

[FiNeRaIn]

Whilst leaving the ground i was walking towards the subway, there was a group of wolves fans and one decided he'd run and push me as I had a reading shirt on, i was about 16/17 he was approaching 30, I just remember thinking what an idiot and didn't react as there was about 20 of them. There were incidents like that all over the place that day. Where does the blame lie? The community of wolverhampton, they aren't erducated, do poorly in school and have a high crime rate, thats why they are such braindead knuckle draggers....they are just that poorly educated that they can't see right/wrong. The government needs to pump more money in places like that as its on a par with stoke as one of the ars holes of the UK i've been to, a really horrible grey chavy city. I've been there 3 times, my opinion hasen't changed at all, you can tell its not just reading fans who suffer abuse if you check various other forums. When i started following reading in 1997 I had never heard of wolves or even had a remote reason to dislike them as i was a kid, having had the experience of meeting them since they have quickly become one of my most hated clubs just for their scummy fans. You could probably divide their fans into three groups. 1. Brainless thugs 2. Arrogant prats who think they have a divine right to be in the premiership and 3. Little kids who will end up in one of the previous groups.

Wolves are one of the few clubs I would genuinly wish a winding up order on.

[ankeny]

Dont you think this goverment pumps money into too many lost causes.Its our hard earned money,Im fed up of giving it away to feral deadbeats.

[peckhamwolf]

Where does the blame lie? The community of wolverhampton, they aren't erducated, do poorly in school and have a high crime rate, thats why they are such braindead knuckle draggers....they are just that poorly educated that they can't see right/wrong.

In 2008 A-level results, 5 schools attended by scholars living in the Wolverhampton area featured in the top 20 performing schools in the country. Reading had just one. In GCSE results, the Reading area had 6 schools where over 70% enjoyed A or A* grades whereas Wolverhampton had 8. I'd say that makes Reading youth more likely to be 'unerducated'.

In crime figures supplied by upmystreet, Reading town centre sees 5 thefts of motor vehicles per 1000 inhabitants compared to 4.6 in Wolverhampton. For burglaries, you are 3 times more likely to suffer one than than the national average in Reading at almost 12 per 1000 inhabitants. Wolverhampton comes in at 6.5. Of course, these don't take into account the holocaust-like atrocities on Reading supporters that took place at Molineux but I think it gives a pretty good idea where you're more likely to feel safe.

Wolverhampton isn't by any stretch of the imagination the greatest place on earth but I've lived in both areas for over 5 years and have to say there isn't much difference between them- they're both awful. Both have started to undergo dramatic redevelopment that has been long overdue and as a result of each of the areas universities a more cosmopolitan group of inhabitants exists. But I wouldn't like to spend an evening strolling around the Wolverhampton subway any less or more than I'd like to wander around Whitley, Southcote or Oxford Road.

Most people in both areas at least have the intelligence to base their opinions on fact and experience of living in the area rather than forming a sweeping generalisation on the basis of a few visits to watch their team lose.

[brendywendy]

good researching there mr wolf

[FiNeRaIn]

Most people in both areas at least have the intelligence to base their opinions on fact and experience of living in the area rather than forming a sweeping generalisation on the basis of a few visits to watch their team lose.

So why do reading have absolutely no problem with our support , yet you often attract trouble even if you aren't deliberately causing it?
What would you put it down to?

[Tony Le Mesmer]

PeckhamWolf, i still await your comments regarding Reading's "Racist" Support.

[peckhamwolf]

PeckhamWolf, i still await your comments regarding Reading's "Racist" Support.

Monkey noises at Shaun Newton in the holocaust leg of the playoffs which triggered Lescott and Blakes exuberant celebrations.

[floyd__streete]

Reading's hatred of Wolves being well and truly one directional

But of course, hence why one issue of Wolves fanzine A Load of Bull devoted a mere two page spread to anti-Reading stuff during Mark McGhee's reign at Molineux .

I also like how you claim that incidents of violence were fabricated and then accuse Reading supporters of making monkey noises during the same game. Bought any magic beans recently, you fantasist?