Loans,loans and more loans

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Re: Loans,loans and more loans

by Victor Meldrew » 03 Sep 2010 20:18

sheshnu Doing a good job at Championship level means performing well in comparison to other players at this level. Being competitive.

I'm afraid Victor that Reading will not be competing at the top end of this division unless they get lucky or hit a run of great form - the same as just about any other team you care to mention. Most likely this season, and all future ones, will see us hovering around mid-table unless we have terrible luck with injuries/loss of form and get relegated.

I hope we get more good luck than bad luck and maybe push for a play-off place, and I'm sorry to say but it is probably a bit foolish to hope for anything more.

Maybe if a really good player is brought in on loan then our chances of having a good season will increase... :wink:


And there's me believing what our chairman said about going for promotion just after I had renewed my season ticket. :wink:

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Re: Loans,loans and more loans

by sheshnu » 03 Sep 2010 20:27

Demand a refund! Stage a protest! Boo something!

Of course the chairman wants the team to be promoted; just like every other chairman in the football league, and probably not too dissimilar from many chairmen around the world!

Doesn't mean he's going to pay for it - also probably a familiar situation for many football fans. I'm sure he would if he could though, he's done it before after all :cry:


So, if Reading were to loan in a fledgling superstar to score 30-odd goals and fulfil Mr Mad's perceived promise to you - perhaps then you could see the benefit of using the loan system :?:

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Re: Loans,loans and more loans

by Friday's Child » 03 Sep 2010 21:43

When Portsmouth were last promoted from this division (when Leicester were second and Wolves beat us in the playoff semis), they were full of "free transfer journeymen" and loans. At the time they were unstoppable and I hated the fact that they were so strong. They went on to secure Premiership safety and had the foundation of a quality side. Unfortunately they took that model too far, and through curious business practices ended up where they are today.

At the time though, aside of their non-existent academy (per today) I found it difficult to argue against their policy. Their football with Merson et al was spot on.

As long as the financials tie up, I am fine with it if it is a lower-risk route to glory.

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Re: Loans,loans and more loans

by BR2 » 06 Sep 2010 11:40

sheshnu Demand a refund! Stage a protest! Boo something!

Of course the chairman wants the team to be promoted; just like every other chairman in the football league, and probably not too dissimilar from many chairmen around the world!

Doesn't mean he's going to pay for it - also probably a familiar situation for many football fans. I'm sure he would if he could though, he's done it before after all :cry:


So, if Reading were to loan in a fledgling superstar to score 30-odd goals and fulfil Mr Mad's perceived promise to you - perhaps then you could see the benefit of using the loan system :?:


No because we would have to try to find a player just as good the day we got promoted to replace him.
Seeing how difficult it has been in the past-Cisse,Marek,Bikey,Fae,Halford etc-do you think it would be any easier to get the right players next time around?
I still maintain that (as with our 106 team)we have to BUILD a side ready for Premier League football if we got promoted and not fill it up with loan players and players way past their Premier League sale-by dates such as Harte and Hendrie plus our existing old-timers from Iceland.

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Re: Loans,loans and more loans

by sheshnu » 06 Sep 2010 11:56

There are only three players in the squad who are over 30, and only one loan player. Sure signs that the manager is looking to BUILD a side. I don't think the addition of one more loanee or another experienced head around the place will tip the balance too much.

Reading do seem to have struggled in the past to make big money signings, perhaps they have learned from the experience and will perform better in the future? If promotion ever happens again I guess we'll find out.


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Re: Loans,loans and more loans

by brendywendy » 06 Sep 2010 12:30

Victor Meldrew
sheshnu Doing a good job at Championship level means performing well in comparison to other players at this level. Being competitive.

I'm afraid Victor that Reading will not be competing at the top end of this division unless they get lucky or hit a run of great form - the same as just about any other team you care to mention. Most likely this season, and all future ones, will see us hovering around mid-table unless we have terrible luck with injuries/loss of form and get relegated.

I hope we get more good luck than bad luck and maybe push for a play-off place, and I'm sorry to say but it is probably a bit foolish to hope for anything more.

Maybe if a really good player is brought in on loan then our chances of having a good season will increase... :wink:


And there's me believing what our chairman said about going for promotion just after I had renewed my season ticket. :wink:


-he said we could push for a play off place- does that not fit with the chairmans statement?

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Re: Loans,loans and more loans

by BR2 » 06 Sep 2010 12:47

sheshnu There are only three players in the squad who are over 30, and only one loan player. Sure signs that the manager is looking to BUILD a side. I don't think the addition of one more loanee or another experienced head around the place will tip the balance too much.

Reading do seem to have struggled in the past to make big money signings, perhaps they have learned from the experience and will perform better in the future? If promotion ever happens again I guess we'll find out.


Correction there are now 4 over 30s,Bryn,Ivar,Griff and Harte and if we take on Hendrie that would be 5 and is starting to look like too many IMHO.

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Re: Loans,loans and more loans

by sheshnu » 06 Sep 2010 12:55

Ah yes, forgot about Griffin. Still, four or five players in a squad of 30-odd? Not many of them are first choice for their position so the team won't be relying on them hugely - at least not on the pitch. I actually think that without the additions of Harte and Griffin this summer the squad was looking a little bit inexperienced overall.

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Re: Loans,loans and more loans

by brendywendy » 06 Sep 2010 12:57

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sheshnu There are only three players in the squad who are over 30, and only one loan player. Sure signs that the manager is looking to BUILD a side. I don't think the addition of one more loanee or another experienced head around the place will tip the balance too much.

Reading do seem to have struggled in the past to make big money signings, perhaps they have learned from the experience and will perform better in the future? If promotion ever happens again I guess we'll find out.


Correction there are now 4 over 30s,Bryn,Ivar,Griff and Harte and if we take on Hendrie that would be 5 and is starting to look like too many IMHO.



really?! in the context of the youth of our team, and academy players making up significant bits of it, id guess that a little bit of experience alongside to allow them to learn and grow into the quality players we know they can be, it makes total and utter sense to have 4 older players around teh squad..


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Re: Loans,loans and more loans

by shaka's shorts » 06 Sep 2010 13:04

squad numbers announced for Zurab and Harte - neither took number 8. Hopefully, that means a young loanee will be here soon........

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Re: Loans,loans and more loans

by Woodcote Royal » 06 Sep 2010 13:28

Friday's Child When Portsmouth were last promoted from this division (when Leicester were second and Wolves beat us in the playoff semis), they were full of "free transfer journeymen" and loans. At the time they were unstoppable and I hated the fact that they were so strong. They went on to secure Premiership safety and had the foundation of a quality side. Unfortunately they took that model too far, and through curious business practices ended up where they are today.

At the time though, aside of their non-existent academy (per today) I found it difficult to argue against their policy. Their football with Merson et al was spot on.

As long as the financials tie up, I am fine with it if it is a lower-risk route to glory.


Would you kindly refrain from making informed contributions in areas that might cause serious unrest amongst the inmates.

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Re: Loans,loans and more loans

by Millsy » 06 Sep 2010 13:39

Good opening post.

The whole loan signings fiasco is simply a sign that something's not right.

A club should NOT be built around loan signings. Whereas we should've been buying players/holding onto developed players we're instead selling our assets and loaning players who do a good job whilst here and then leave us with a huge hole. When Bertrand/Kish left we pretty much fell apart at the back and are still suffering now.

It's extremely frustrating that a club that had players good enough to just miss out on Europe is now relying on kids and loanees and the occasional cheap has-been.

Things aren't right, but that should be more than obvious to anyone who thinks outside The Madejski Rectum.

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Re: Loans,loans and more loans

by Woodcote Royal » 06 Sep 2010 15:47

I rest my case


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Re: Loans,loans and more loans

by brendywendy » 06 Sep 2010 15:51

2 world wars, 1 world cup Good opening post.

The whole loan signings fiasco is simply a sign that something's not right.

A club should NOT be built around loan signings. Whereas we should've been buying players/holding onto developed players we're instead selling our assets and loaning players who do a good job whilst here and then leave us with a huge hole. When Bertrand/Kish left we pretty much fell apart at the back and are still suffering now.

It's extremely frustrating that a club that had players good enough to just miss out on Europe is now relying on kids and loanees and the occasional cheap has-been.

Things aren't right, but that should be more than obvious to anyone who thinks outside The Madejski Rectum.


we only have 1 loanee currently right?
maybe if you stopped looking up Jms rectum you may have noticed this before making such an ill advised post

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