Summer transfer policy

[Hoop Blah]

I think you'll be suprised just how much it costs to run a club. £4m is a drop in the ocean of the annual player wages (incl bonuses)

Really?

Enlighten us then marcusopp....

I'll give you a starter for 10, that £4m will equate to the best part of a 25% of the clubs wage bill these days. If you think that's a drop in the ocean then fair enough, personally I think it's a pretty big chunk to be able to cover in one transaction.

[brendywendy]

That's right, if we had a season where we made a loss but got promoted then we'd all have to chip in to save the club. Bloody Sky tightarses.........

such a moronic argument.

the problem comes when you spend the money, dont get promoted, then have to deal with it.
do you go one spending for two, three,four years trying to get up and justify the investment?
against many teams who have more money to throw around than we do?
you just dont make any sense at all.

Is that how you live your life? Never doing anything risky because of what might happen if it goes wrong? Life is about taking risks. Business is about taking risks. Football is about taking risks. Dare to dream every once in a while.

Promotion to the premiership is worth in the region of £100m. That is a lot of £4m loss-making seasons...............

clearly you don really understand the risk/reward paradigm.

the idea is that you take calculated risks. risks that have a decent chance of coming off, risks that arent so huge that if they dont come off you are screwed.


risking your house, on a 3000:1 bet is silly.dont do it.
yeah?

[brendywendy]

That's right, if we had a season where we made a loss but got promoted then we'd all have to chip in to save the club. Bloody Sky tightarses.........

such a moronic argument.

the problem comes when you spend the money, dont get promoted, then have to deal with it.
do you go one spending for two, three,four years trying to get up and justify the investment?
against many teams who have more money to throw around than we do?
you just dont make any sense at all.

Is that how you live your life? Never doing anything risky because of what might happen if it goes wrong? Life is about taking risks. Business is about taking risks. Football is about taking risks. Dare to dream every once in a while.

Promotion to the premiership is worth in the region of £100m. That is a lot of £4m loss-making seasons...............

also this season it was 90 million, total. including parachute payments for three years.
it doesnt matter how much it is though.
if there are ten clubs all bigger/richer than you, all spending more than you, the gamble starts to not make sense at all.
so is it worth spending 5 million a year we dont have, on the off chance that this makes us better than the other ten big spending clubs?

im not sure why youd even want to do that, rather than the sensible, and succesful model weve demonstrated over the last 5 years

[Reading777]

buying cheap hasn't let us down has it? the club were prepared for this and unlike with Sigurdsson we have plenty of time to bring in a replacement.

where is all the money going does concern me though. im not convinced about this on going deficit we have to keep finding money for since relegation. we have made an unbelievable amount from player sales, and there was also the parachute payments. wages should be back in check, and we certainly don't spend large amounts in transfer fees.

im happy to trust in Hammond and McDermott but i do wonder where the money goes now.

I think you'll be suprised just how much it costs to run a club. £4m is a drop in the ocean of the annual player wages (incl bonuses), that's where the money will end up. Remember, McAnuff and HRK have signed new deals, therefore an increase in wages. No one has bid on schlong yet, so if we sign hi he'll expect a large hike in pay.

Less of course the wages for Ivar, Kish, Mills (plus no new over-priced contract for him) etc and its far better to have the 5m on account that not, it all helps keep the roof administrators at bay!

[Avon Royal]

Is that how you live your life? Never doing anything risky because of what might happen if it goes wrong? Life is about taking risks. Business is about taking risks. Football is about taking risks. Dare to dream every once in a while.

Promotion to the premiership is worth in the region of £100m. That is a lot of £4m loss-making seasons...............

clearly you don really understand the risk/reward paradigm.

the idea is that you take calculated risks. risks that have a decent chance of coming off, risks that arent so huge that if they dont come off you are screwed.


risking your house, on a 3000:1 bet is silly.dont do it.
yeah?

You don't say.

Comparing putting your house on a 3000:1 bet to reinvesting the odd couple of million pounds into the team is bizzare.

[Avon Royal]

also this season it was 90 million, total. including parachute payments for three years.
it doesnt matter how much it is though.
if there are ten clubs all bigger/richer than you, all spending more than you, the gamble starts to not make sense at all.
so is it worth spending 5 million a year we dont have, on the off chance that this makes us better than the other ten big spending clubs?

im not sure why youd even want to do that, rather than the sensible, and succesful model weve demonstrated over the last 5 years

You've got me there.

I can't argue with our promotion / relegation ratio over the last 5 seasons.

If we had reinvested in the year we were relegated, rather than follow "the succesful model", then all of this would be moot.

[Hoop Blah]

you also have to look t McDs/NHs actions over this.which show total control over the situation imo
mills has been offered a new contract, but not a huge one.McD probably knew he wanted out/wanted shot of him himself- he wasnt his player, and isnt really a McD type of player.

I agree that we seem to have been pretty much in control over this move, and the speculation about Long too, however....

1) We're always told how McDermott has played such a major part in most of our signings over the last 10 years and we were linked to Mills long before Rodgers came onboard

2) McDermott brought Mills back into the side after Rodgers had dropped him and gave him the armband too

3) McDermott sounded pretty gutted at losing him on the radio

With that in mind I don't think you can say he's not his player. Also, when you say he isn't his type of player, what do you mean? Do you mean because of his lack of discipline and attitude at times? Nothing like the antics of his favourites like Harte, Long, Federici and to a much lesser extent Griffin and Leigertwood.

I'm surprised at the apparent lack of re-investment that's going to come from this fee but it was good to hear McDermott sound so disappointed by it. In the past I think our managers have been a little too quick to toe the line (well Coppell anyway) and perhaps now McDermott has had some success as Manager he feels he can be a little more forceful?

[brendywendy]

Is that how you live your life? Never doing anything risky because of what might happen if it goes wrong? Life is about taking risks. Business is about taking risks. Football is about taking risks. Dare to dream every once in a while.

Promotion to the premiership is worth in the region of £100m. That is a lot of £4m loss-making seasons...............

clearly you don really understand the risk/reward paradigm.

the idea is that you take calculated risks. risks that have a decent chance of coming off, risks that arent so huge that if they dont come off you are screwed.


risking your house, on a 3000:1 bet is silly.dont do it.
yeah?

You don't say.

Comparing putting your house on a 3000:1 bet to reinvesting the odd couple of million pounds into the team is bizzare.

ok, so the odds are wrong.and the bet size is worng, but they even themselves out imo

what are the actual odds do you think, of a team getting promoted to the premiere league.
there are 24 teams- so 23:1.
this gets even bigger when, even if we spend 5 million a year extra on players/wages, there are teams out there who are able and willing to spend more than 5 million.
what are the odds now?
if 12 of the teams spend 10M quid, we are already furt herbehind them in the odds. maybe 46:1?

would you really give away 5 million of your own money, year on year on a 46:1 bet? or even a 23:1 bet? or even a 10:1 bet?
i oxf*rd wouldnt

[brendywendy]

also this season it was 90 million, total. including parachute payments for three years.
it doesnt matter how much it is though.
if there are ten clubs all bigger/richer than you, all spending more than you, the gamble starts to not make sense at all.
so is it worth spending 5 million a year we dont have, on the off chance that this makes us better than the other ten big spending clubs?

im not sure why youd even want to do that, rather than the sensible, and succesful model weve demonstrated over the last 5 years

You've got me there.

I can't argue with our promotion / relegation ratio over the last 5 seasons.

If we had reinvested in the year we were relegated, rather than follow "the succesful model", then all of this would be moot.

really?

so we bought matty taylor, mensah, scott brown. were they really going to guarantee we stayed up? theyd all be on big wages, so if we did still go down it would leave us more oxf*rd, not less.
they were actually going to cost millions, and demand higher wages/force their way into the team than the players who had been our most succesful team ever.im not sure it would have been worth it.

the point is moot simply cos its gone, and no one can prove it either way any more.

[sandman]

Well we'll never know. In the summer before that second season other teams bought players, we lost our best player, didn't buy quality or players with PL experience to replace him.

[Avon Royal]

Brendy,

You do realise that we spent £2m on Mills and have just sold him for £5m a few years later? £3m profit in a couple of years is good going.

That is how investment works. Spending money on players is not just "throwing it away". Now obviously you have to "buy right", but in order to buy right you have to buy.......

[Agent Balti]

Or another way...(and yes, it's the most mental post I've ever posted.)

Let's call RFC the "Your Home and Money Analogy"...

You want the bigger house and lifestyle (Premiership) and all the trappings that come with it. (You've won and lost the house before and pissed it up the wall, but that's irrelevant. )

Each year, you spend more than you earn (Wages, Club running costs etc.) and you have other expensive children to keep watered and fed (Squad). So you can't afford to the buy the expensive house and keep the missus in nice frocks.

Your missus, to her credit, likes to tart things up, make them better than they were and flogs 'em on eBay. These items, supplement our low earnings without maxing out our credit cards as the children (see above) are expensive bleeders to keep happy.

Now, we COULD, just go mental on the plastic and buy loads of lottery tickets and try to get rich (expensive players), but it's not likely to get us anywhere as it's a very risky option. But if the missus keeps on tarting things up (and to be fair, she's keep on doing it) and selling them on for a big profit, we'll be in a much better position and it's much safer too. Our debts lessen and we're in a better shape LONG term.

(And no, you can't shag the missus.)

[brendywendy]

Well we'll never know. In the summer before that second season other teams bought players, we lost our best player, didn't buy quality or players with PL experience to replace him.

we tried to though, we just couldnt get them

mensah, scott brown, lescott, all of these players were approached, but for various reasons didnt come off.
we were looking to spend ~4-5 million on each of those players
its just that when we couldnt bring them in for whatever reason, we didnt go out and pay 4-5 million on players on the next quality rung down.
at that point we took a stance that if we couldnt get our first choice big money players, wed be better off getting some lower cost punts in terms of matejovski, fae,cisse,halford etc

it didnt work, but rather than paying through the nose on wages for the first choice players who may come in and distrupt the squad, we chose another way- which made some sense, but was ultimately unssuccessful, but didnt kill us as a club.

[ZacNaloen]

Here's a play who "gets it"

It comes about from being so close to the Premier League. A lot of clubs roll the dice and go for broke. The clubs I've been at, Watford and to an extent Palace, it hasn't really worked when chasing that dream. The clubs that get there, on the whole, are the ones who are more steady with it and try doing it the right way. We showed last year with how close we got. It's important the club is on an even keel. We've still got a very good squad, we did last year. If we can minimise the departures, we'll be fine.

Hopefully the club has a few others who do as well.

[brendywendy]

Brendy,

You do realise that we spent £2m on Mills and have just sold him for £5m a few years later? £3m profit in a couple of years is good going.

That is how investment works. Spending money on players is not just "throwing it away". Now obviously you have to "buy right", but in order to buy right you have to buy.......

but thats what we have done, consistently for the last 5 years.
i dont really know what you are saying.

[RobRoyal]

Here's a play who "gets it"

It comes about from being so close to the Premier League. A lot of clubs roll the dice and go for broke. The clubs I've been at, Watford and to an extent Palace, it hasn't really worked when chasing that dream. The clubs that get there, on the whole, are the ones who are more steady with it and try doing it the right way. We showed last year with how close we got. It's important the club is on an even keel. We've still got a very good squad, we did last year. If we can minimise the departures, we'll be fine.

Hopefully the club has a few others who do as well.

Jobi's alright. Good on him.

[Wycombe Royal]

He should be our new captain.....

[Avon Royal]

Brendy,

You do realise that we spent £2m on Mills and have just sold him for £5m a few years later? £3m profit in a couple of years is good going.

That is how investment works. Spending money on players is not just "throwing it away". Now obviously you have to "buy right", but in order to buy right you have to buy.......

but thats what we have done, consistently for the last 5 years.
i dont really know what you are saying.

I'm saying that if we use the money received from the Mills sale simply to avoid an end of year financial loss, then we will be missing out on the opportunity to make even more longer term.

[ZacNaloen]

Speculating with anything but profit is a baad idea.

[Avon Royal]

Speculating with anything but profit is a baad idea.

Mills cost £2m, and we sold him for £5m.

Sounds like profit to me.