Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

[Still Hate Futcher!]

Relax.. we are scouring Limerick and Cork for some hot new replacements

God no, we'll probably end up with more rubbish like Long or that Doyle bloke!

[Terminal Boardom]

my NH referred to hammond of course.

but impretty confident that howe wouldnt be employed by JM if he didnt contribute back at least his cost to the club in some way

I knew you were referring to the DoF. I would still be interested in knowing just what Howe brings to the party though.

[Rob-Royal]

like he acted swiftly and decisively after pardew left

like he acted swiftly and decisively to ensure the money was available for rodgers to buy mills etc

like he acted swiftly and deceisively to sack rodgers when it became clear he had lost it.

I bet he regrets Rodgers!

You're obviously a fan but try & keep it real, he's also failed to act in many other cases too, not least lacking re-investment unless it's needed. How about when it isn't? Sidwell was the start and it carried on to relegation, fundemental mistakes.....two sides to every coin my friend

[Avon Royal]

like he acted swiftly and decisively after pardew left

like he acted swiftly and decisively to ensure the money was available for rodgers to buy mills etc

like he acted swiftly and deceisively to sack rodgers when it became clear he had lost it.

I bet he regrets Rodgers!

You're obviously a fan but try & keep it real, he's also failed to act in many other cases too, not least lacking re-investment unless it's needed. How about when it isn't? Sidwell was the start and it carried on to relegation, fundemental mistakes.....two sides to every coin my friend

Shhh, you'll spoil his fantasy.

[Rob-Royal]

my NH referred to hammond of course.

but impretty confident that howe wouldnt be employed by JM if he didnt contribute back at least his cost to the club in some way

Bloody hell, and you know this because....? How does JM's ar$e taste these days?

[brendywendy]

twat. I know this as i,and you know that jm doesnt spend his money for no reason. Though ill go as far as saying that i dont have a clue what he does. Just that im sure hes worth it.cos jm is a tight wad.

[Ian Royal]

my NH referred to hammond of course.

but impretty confident that howe wouldnt be employed by JM if he didnt contribute back at least his cost to the club in some way

I knew you were referring to the DoF. I would still be interested in knowing just what Howe brings to the party though.

Allows JM to piss off and do what he wants while he looks after the club day to day?

I'd guess Howe runs the non-footballing running of the club. Hammond runs the footballing side financials and non-playing stuff, and McDermott runs the playing & training stuff.

[howser]

This is not a point of arguement from me more of an inquiry, we or I understand that the Mills £4.5m-£5m we are receiving will not be presentad to McD as pert of a transfer kitty, I also understand that this is based on operating costs and what we need to do to balance the books from last season,......but we must have picked up a lot of "unexpected income" from 2 x televised play-off matches, both with sell out gates plust the tv money for the final also the much mooted rumour that the play-off losers get all the Wembley gate money, that must have added up to a pretty substantial sum, in the region maybe of £3m-£3.5m ? But shouldn't this "surprise income" covered a large percentage of the expected "shortfall" for this forthcoming season. I stand to be corrected and called a prick, F*** wit or twat or any other descriptive adjective as is the like on this site, if my guess is wrong ?

[The Rouge]

Relax.. we are scouring Limerick and Cork for some hot new replacements

Derry actually.

We all know that paying lots of money (for the likes of Halford and Fae), is much better than getting a few bargains (like Doyle and Long).

[Ian Royal]

Howser, my guess (and that's all it is)

Is that when you get unexpected additional income in a year, and you are in debt, you put most of it into reducing that debt, as that reduces your interest payments and therefore you ongoing expenditure. I wouldn't be surprised if some of that (or Gylfi transfer fee) was part of what allowed us to sign Leigertwood permanently.

I suspect where possible we'll try and keep each season self contained. Afterall if you use excess income in one season to offset a deficit in the next and then get an unexpected shortfall in income you can be in a bit of trouble.

With the players we have and are able to develop, flogging someone for a few million each season isn't too outlandish, and if it allows us to keep players by paying them more, or signing players we otherwise wouldn't afford then it's no bad thing.

And just because we've said MaccyD gets nothing, doesn't mean that's true.

[FiNeRaIn]

Shorey, Kitson, Sonko, Doyle, Bikey, SHunt, Gylfi, Mills.....what is the combined transfer fee recouped on these little beauties? Have I missed any out?

It's a deal, it's a steal, it's the sale of the f*cking cemtury......

I calculated that since we have been relegated and if this sale for mills goes through...we'll be around 37 million in player sales. That is more than the ENTIRE football league and half of the premierleague, yet we can't invest in the team because of these black hole's?

Club is going nowhere anytime soon i'm afraid. MASSIVE lack of ambition.

[sandman]

If you kicked Madejski up the arse Brendy would get a concussion.

[Reading777]

Austerity measures over the last couple of seasons make sense in the current climate, yes there's also surplus capital come about from play-offs, cup runs, players retiring or leaving and unexpected inflation busting sell on fees.

The bit that doesn't stack up is should Mill's have stayed, weren't the club proposing to almost double his wages to 20k a week over 3 seasons or more simply put, increasing our expenditure by 1.5m over that period................

Instead the Mills transfer has turned an expenditure into a saving of 1.5m plus the initial transfer fee of 4/4.5m, therefore were up by nearly 6m. This surely invalidates the clubs statement that none of the transfer kitty from this particular sell will be used to buy new players, as they were increasing contracts before the fee come in, so whats changed over the past few days in terms of extra operating costs that doesn't make sense? Or was the new contract offer to Mills just spin to help the sell on fee?

[RoyalBlue]

Austerity measures over the last couple of seasons make sense in the current climate, yes there's also surplus capital come about from play-offs, cup runs, players retiring or leaving and unexpected inflation busting sell on fees.

The bit that doesn't stack up is should Mill's have stayed, weren't the club proposing to almost double his wages to 20k a week over 3 seasons or more simply put, increasing our expenditure by 1.5m over that period................

Instead the Mills transfer has turned an expenditure into a saving of 1.5m plus the initial transfer fee of 4/4.5m, therefore were up by nearly 6m. This surely invalidates the clubs statement that none of the transfer kitty from this particular sell will be used to buy new players, as they were increasing contracts before the fee come in, so whats changed over the past few days in terms of extra operating costs that doesn't make sense? Or was the new contract offer to Mills just spin to help the sell on fee?

How dare you! The Madejski fan club will not appreciate you pointing out such massive holes in the club (and their) arguments. Holes so large that they make the claimed black holes in the club's finances look like pin holes by comparison.

[royal67]

Shorey, Kitson, Sonko, Doyle, Bikey, SHunt, Gylfi, Mills.....what is the combined transfer fee recouped on these little beauties? Have I missed any out?

It's a deal, it's a steal, it's the sale of the f*cking cemtury......

I calculated that since we have been relegated and if this sale for mills goes through...we'll be around 37 million in player sales. That is more than the ENTIRE football league and half of the premierleague, yet we can't invest in the team because of these black hole's?

Club is going nowhere anytime soon i'm afraid. MASSIVE lack of ambition.

Couldn't agree more with that last statement........

[Royal Rother]

Fantastic stuff!! Keep it going guys.

[Reading777]

Austerity measures over the last couple of seasons make sense in the current climate, yes there's also surplus capital come about from play-offs, cup runs, players retiring or leaving and unexpected inflation busting sell on fees.

The bit that doesn't stack up is should Mill's have stayed, weren't the club proposing to almost double his wages to 20k a week over 3 seasons or more simply put, increasing our expenditure by 1.5m over that period................

Instead the Mills transfer has turned an expenditure into a saving of 1.5m plus the initial transfer fee of 4/4.5m, therefore were up by nearly 6m. This surely invalidates the clubs statement that none of the transfer kitty from this particular sell will be used to buy new players, as they were increasing contracts before the fee come in, so whats changed over the past few days in terms of extra operating costs that doesn't make sense? Or was the new contract offer to Mills just spin to help the sell on fee?

How dare you! The Madejski fan club will not appreciate you pointing out such massive holes in the club (and their) arguments. Holes so large that they make the claimed black holes in the club's finances look like pin holes by comparison.

Yes indeed those black holes are becoming more transparent by the day.

[Snowball]

Couldn't we save time and just refer to the exact same bollox
posted a year ago, two years ago, three years ago?

[brendywendy]

This is not a point of arguement from me more of an inquiry, we or I understand that the Mills £4.5m-£5m we are receiving will not be presentad to McD as pert of a transfer kitty, I also understand that this is based on operating costs and what we need to do to balance the books from last season,......but we must have picked up a lot of "unexpected income" from 2 x televised play-off matches, both with sell out gates plust the tv money for the final also the much mooted rumour that the play-off losers get all the Wembley gate money, that must have added up to a pretty substantial sum, in the region maybe of £3m-£3.5m ? But shouldn't this "surprise income" covered a large percentage of the expected "shortfall" for this forthcoming season. I stand to be corrected and called a prick, F*** wit or twat or any other descriptive adjective as is the like on this site, if my guess is wrong ?

yeah,but,no but,yeah but he called me an arse licker,and i was only calling him a twat cos he said that,and anyway chantelle said he felt her up round the back of aldi's etc....
I agree with your post.im as worried as you that whatever we bring in doesnt get spent.but im waiting to see what actually happens. If we dont replace anyone who leaves,and get a leftback this summer, or convince me why we dont need to, i will give serious consideration to the idea of saying something mildly negative about the club.

[Royal Lady]

Well, McD didn't sound too happy in his BBCRB interview. I trust McD to the hilt and I don't believe that he is just saying he can't spend any of the Mills money - if we were playing little games in order to not be landed with highly inflated player costs for those we are looking at, he just wouldn't say anything at all - or he'd have sounded slightly more upbeat than he did, if it was all a ruse. I think he's thoroughly pissed off - he didn't want to lose Sig but "black holes" demanded that he did, he managed to build a good team which had a fantastic run in the FA Cup again and we got to the play off final. Now it's all happening again with Mills, his captain - the pressure on him now is massive to spend little and give more big returns like last season - I don't envy him one little bit. The danger is that he will get snapped up by a bigger, more ambitious team and we'll be left completely in the sh1t - maybe not this season, but depending on whether he can replicate the last season and a half, I wouldn't blame in the slightest if he wanted out at the end of this coming season.

I have never wanted us to spend silly money - but I really do not understand why we cannot spend half of what we have got for Mills, for example. I don't care about big names - we've tried that before a la Keown and Ferdinand and it didn't work. I just want us to replace those that leave for big money with comparable ability players - we didn't get that with Sig and I'm concerned we won't get it with Mills. If we thought Mills was going to go, I don't think we'd have been so quick to let Zurab go - personally, I read into this that Mills had no intention of going initially, but something has happened to force his hand. Good luck to him at Leicester - it's a sideways move. A ball hasn't been kicked yet and no-one has any idea who will be the leading teams in the forthcoming season. If he'd gone in January and Leicester were 20 points clear at the top or something, it would be more understandable, particularly if we are bottom half of the table or something. The next few weeks will be very interesting, even the extension to Jobi's contract doesn't fill me with confidence - didn't Sig sign an extension and shortly after he left?