The Snowball stat thread

[Ian Royal]

and plenty of people deliberately look for selective stats to reinforce their preconception.

Essentially, brendy's right, but you also have to actually look at the reliability of the information and the credibility of the source. iT's pretty easy to tell on here who is better at being objective and who sees everything solely through their own filters.

[melonhead]

Essentially, brendy's right.

just cut paste that into a word document, so you can post it in response to everything i say, itll make things easier

[Extended-Phenotype]

Any conclusion drawn from stats IS an observation.

~
EP Miagi.

[Hoop Blah]

Good stuff, Señor Vision.

Though rather than use it to spot the form of a striker, I was more interested in using it to perhaps excuse them. Our strikers aren't scoring regularly, but many suggest this is because they are lacking service - maybe there is a stat out there to back that up?

Still rather tricky, now I think about it. Not getting many chances could equally be down to poor positioning of the striker.

Yeah, I've changed my mind again. Stats are pigshit.

But they are more reliable than most people's observational skills.

Most of the stats are just a product of recording one individuals observations though so even the stats are dependent on a consistent set of observations.

[1871royals]

I think we all wish Churchy comes good, but the difference between him and Long was that even before Long started scoring last season, his all round game improved immensely over the Summer. Even without scoring he was making a big contribution to the team - creating chances/space etc.

One of the earlier posters was talking about the Doncaster game last season, I remember thinking that Long was brilliant that day but just lacked the finishing touch. I cant remember Church having that much of an influence on a game.

Even though Churchy has always had a knack of being in the right position he isnt as effective as long. I think he will get 12 - 13 goals this season, which is respectable, but I dont think he will be a 20 goal + striker.

[chilipepper91]

I think we all wish Churchy comes good, but the difference between him and Long was that even before Long started scoring last season, his all round game improved immensely over the Summer. Even without scoring he was making a big contribution to the team - creating chances/space etc.

One of the earlier posters was talking about the Doncaster game last season, I remember thinking that Long was brilliant that day but just lacked the finishing touch. I cant remember Church having that much of an influence on a game.

Even though Churchy has always had a knack of being in the right position he isnt as effective as long. I think he will get 12 - 13 goals this season, which is respectable, but I dont think he will be a 20 goal + striker.

Long was also the kind of player (towards the end of his Reading career) who ran the show, who we would knock percentage balls down the channel for in the knowledge that he would probably win most of them and bring others in to play. Church obviously got one of these right against Leeds but I don't see him in the same regard. Long was strong on the ball, had a good touch and played intelligently to the team's benefit. I don't see Church being any of these three...yet. As you said, he has the knack of being in the right place at the right time, and a fair few of his goals have been from inside the 6 yard box. Obviously it's good that he finishes these chances but you don't ever get the same feeling as we did with Long that he's a game changer, and has that moment of magic in his back pocket.

It's generally more of a team game these days with midfielders coming in with goals but our setup isn't particularly geared towards that, seeing as Jem and Ledge barely ever advance over the halfway line, so there's certainly a lot more pressure on the strikers to perform. If we had Long in this position, with this team, you'd see him being on at least 10 by now probably as he is the kind of striker who can work well in isolation as our play seems to dictate. But as we've also seen with McD, the second half of the season seems to be ever and ever stronger for us. So I'm hoping that with stability over the next few months, Church (and others) will grow into their positions and learn exactly what makes us tick.

The other problem we have is that we don't know our best two strikers yet. It's equally a nice and nasty situation to have but McD does seem to change the team around when one comes off the bench and notches a couple, rather than for tactical reasons. We don't have a striker suited to a particular style of play, or one that would work effectively with balls either to feet, to head or to run on to. ALF seems to like to be involved deeper in attacks, Hunt winning the aerial challenges and Church using his pace to get in behind - so our style is dictated by who's up top. Problem is, we don't necessarily have the players behind them to suit their own styles of play.

[Franchise FC]

I think we all wish Churchy comes good, but the difference between him and Long was that even before Long started scoring last season, his all round game improved immensely over the Summer. Even without scoring he was making a big contribution to the team - creating chances/space etc.

One of the earlier posters was talking about the Doncaster game last season, I remember thinking that Long was brilliant that day but just lacked the finishing touch. I cant remember Church having that much of an influence on a game.

Even though Churchy has always had a knack of being in the right position he isnt as effective as long. I think he will get 12 - 13 goals this season, which is respectable, but I dont think he will be a 20 goal + striker.

Long was also the kind of player (towards the end of his Reading career) who ran the show, who we would knock percentage balls down the channel for in the knowledge that he would probably win most of them and bring others in to play. Church obviously got one of these right against Leeds but I don't see him in the same regard. Long was strong on the ball, had a good touch and played intelligently to the team's benefit. I don't see Church being any of these three...yet. As you said, he has the knack of being in the right place at the right time, and a fair few of his goals have been from inside the 6 yard box. Obviously it's good that he finishes these chances but you don't ever get the same feeling as we did with Long that he's a game changer, and has that moment of magic in his back pocket.

It's generally more of a team game these days with midfielders coming in with goals but our setup isn't particularly geared towards that, seeing as Jem and Ledge barely ever advance over the halfway line, so there's certainly a lot more pressure on the strikers to perform. If we had Long in this position, with this team, you'd see him being on at least 10 by now probably as he is the kind of striker who can work well in isolation as our play seems to dictate. But as we've also seen with McD, the second half of the season seems to be ever and ever stronger for us. So I'm hoping that with stability over the next few months, Church (and others) will grow into their positions and learn exactly what makes us tick.

The other problem we have is that we don't know our best two strikers yet. It's equally a nice and nasty situation to have but McD does seem to change the team around when one comes off the bench and notches a couple, rather than for tactical reasons. We don't have a striker suited to a particular style of play, or one that would work effectively with balls either to feet, to head or to run on to. ALF seems to like to be involved deeper in attacks, Hunt winning the aerial challenges and Church using his pace to get in behind - so our style is dictated by who's up top. Problem is, we don't necessarily have the players behind them to suit their own styles of play.

Why didn't we hold out for £35m for Shane ?

[M-U-R-T-Y]

Deleted a thread 'cos I might as well put it here.

Not counting playoffs and cup totalling up all games in the calendar year we are on 76 points, not including the last two to come. Win them , and we're on 82 points, two points off an automatic promotion in the table last year. Looks like we're on for another play off heartbreak fellas.

[Magicman]

So only 15 points from safety
Could take till Easter

[chilipepper91]

I think we all wish Churchy comes good, but the difference between him and Long was that even before Long started scoring last season, his all round game improved immensely over the Summer. Even without scoring he was making a big contribution to the team - creating chances/space etc.

One of the earlier posters was talking about the Doncaster game last season, I remember thinking that Long was brilliant that day but just lacked the finishing touch. I cant remember Church having that much of an influence on a game.

Even though Churchy has always had a knack of being in the right position he isnt as effective as long. I think he will get 12 - 13 goals this season, which is respectable, but I dont think he will be a 20 goal + striker.

Long was also the kind of player (towards the end of his Reading career) who ran the show, who we would knock percentage balls down the channel for in the knowledge that he would probably win most of them and bring others in to play. Church obviously got one of these right against Leeds but I don't see him in the same regard. Long was strong on the ball, had a good touch and played intelligently to the team's benefit. I don't see Church being any of these three...yet. As you said, he has the knack of being in the right place at the right time, and a fair few of his goals have been from inside the 6 yard box. Obviously it's good that he finishes these chances but you don't ever get the same feeling as we did with Long that he's a game changer, and has that moment of magic in his back pocket.

It's generally more of a team game these days with midfielders coming in with goals but our setup isn't particularly geared towards that, seeing as Jem and Ledge barely ever advance over the halfway line, so there's certainly a lot more pressure on the strikers to perform. If we had Long in this position, with this team, you'd see him being on at least 10 by now probably as he is the kind of striker who can work well in isolation as our play seems to dictate. But as we've also seen with McD, the second half of the season seems to be ever and ever stronger for us. So I'm hoping that with stability over the next few months, Church (and others) will grow into their positions and learn exactly what makes us tick.

The other problem we have is that we don't know our best two strikers yet. It's equally a nice and nasty situation to have but McD does seem to change the team around when one comes off the bench and notches a couple, rather than for tactical reasons. We don't have a striker suited to a particular style of play, or one that would work effectively with balls either to feet, to head or to run on to. ALF seems to like to be involved deeper in attacks, Hunt winning the aerial challenges and Church using his pace to get in behind - so our style is dictated by who's up top. Problem is, we don't necessarily have the players behind them to suit their own styles of play.

Why didn't we hold out for £35m for Shane ?

Well if Carroll is worth that

[Snowball]

6 Reading 23 10-06-7 30-22 +08 36 Points 2011-12

6 Reading 23 08-10-5 35-25 +10 34 Points 2010-11



Second half of the season RFC managed

12-07-04 42-26 = 43 Points from 23 Games to finish on 77 Points

[Snowball]

Update after Brighton Game


Bold Figure is Minutes per Major Contribution (Goal or Assist)




1,332 Minutes 10 Major Contributions one every 132 Minutes 5 Goals 5 Assists ALF (RFC Games)
1,132 Minutes 07 Major Contributions one every 162 Minutes 1 Goals 6 Assists Kebe
1,179 Minutes 06 Major Contributions one every 177 Minutes 6 Goals 0 Assists CHURCH

1,000 Minutes 05 Major Contributions one every 200 Minutes 3 Goals 2 Assists HRK
1,121 Minutes 05 Major Contributions one every 224 Minutes 3 Goals 2 Assists HUNT

1,932 Minutes 06 Major Contributions one every 322 Minutes 3 Goals 3 Assists McAnuff
1,368 Minutes 04 Major Contributions one every 342 Minutes 1 Goals 3 Assists KARACAN

[Rex]

As an award winning author and respected teacher I thought you'd have a little more awareness and appreciation for how following those conventions can increase the readers understanding and enjoyment of what you post...

Well you're wrong.



I thoroughly dislike mindless, slavish following of conventions initially created by Geeks.

Summed up so nicely. Anarchy.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Update after Brighton Game


Bold Figure is Minutes per Major Contribution (Goal or Assist)


1,332 Minutes 10 Major Contributions one every 132 Minutes 5 Goals 5 Assists ALF (RFC Games)
1,132 Minutes 07 Major Contributions one every 162 Minutes 1 Goals 6 Assists Kebe
1,179 Minutes 06 Major Contributions one every 177 Minutes 6 Goals 0 Assists CHURCH

1,000 Minutes 05 Major Contributions one every 200 Minutes 3 Goals 2 Assists HRK
1,121 Minutes 05 Major Contributions one every 224 Minutes 3 Goals 2 Assists HUNT

1,932 Minutes 06 Major Contributions one every 322 Minutes 3 Goals 3 Assists McAnuff
1,368 Minutes 04 Major Contributions one every 342 Minutes 1 Goals 3 Assists KARACAN

Of course, we can now demoinstrate the fuitility of looking at these stats which measure something completely in isolation, with no context taken into account, by proving that Reading's most successful striker this season is a Brighton cenrte-back :

90 Minutes 01 Major Contributions one every 90 Minutes 1 Goals 0 Assists EL-ABD

[Snowball]

Third Best Defence in the League

1 23 19 0.83 11 Clean Sheets Middlesbrough
2 23 21 0.91 10 Clean Sheets West Ham
3 23 22 0.96 09 Clean Sheets Reading
3 23 22 0.96 10 Clean Sheets Crystal Palace
5 23 23 1.00 09 Clean Sheets Hull

Second-Best Away Defence

1 12 9 0.75 6 Clean Sheets West Ham
2 11 9 0.82 4 Clean Sheets Reading

(Mid-Table at Home)


Joint Fifth on GD Home & Away

1 23 +23 +1.00 Southampton
2 23 +17 +0.74 West Ham
3 23 +11 +0.48 Cardiff City
4 23 +10 +0.43 Middlesbrough
5 23 +08 +0.35 Reading
5 23 +08 +0.35 Blackpool

[Snowball]

Reading are Joint-Top on Points over the last 17 games


01 17 9 5 3 5 2 32 16 +16 32 1.88 ppg Southampton
02 17 9 5 3 8 4 25 14 +11 32 1.88 ppg Reading

03 17 9 4 4 8 5 23 14 +09 31 1.82 ppg West Ham United
04 17 9 3 5 6 3 22 17 +05 30 1.76 ppg Hull City
05 17 8 6 3 9 6 17 14 +03 30 1.76 ppg Middlesbrough
06 17 7 7 3 6 2 28 20 +08 28 1.65 ppg Cardiff City
07 17 8 4 5 5 4 25 20 +05 28 1.65 ppg Leeds United
08 18 9 1 8 4 3 30 23 +07 28 1.56 ppg Burnley
09 16 6 5 5 4 4 19 17 +02 23 1.44 ppg Birmingham City
10 17 6 6 5 5 4 28 23 +05 24 1.41 ppg Blackpool

They have played 8 of the top 9 in those 17 games, so no fluke

1-1 Saints
3-0 West Ham
0-0 Boro
1-2 Cardiff
1-0 Leeds
1-0 Burnley
1-0 Birmingham
0-1 Blackpool


P8 W4 D2 L2 8-4 14 Points @ 1.75 ppg



This shows up in the "v Top Half Table" where, amazingly, we have a +5 GD
and 7 clean sheets in 11 games!

1 11 7 - 3 - 1 4 Clean Sheets 23-09 +14 24 2.18 Southampton
2 11 7 - 2 - 2 6 Clean Sheets 14-10 +04 23 2.09 Middlesbrough

3 11 5 - 3 - 3 7 Clean Sheets 11-05 +06 18 1.64 Reading

4 11 5 - 3 - 3 3 Clean Sheets 15 -13 +02 18 1.64 Cardiff City

[cmonurz]

We could all just go to this page and the various others on Football365 for these stats.

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D1/vtophalf.html

How does this compare to last season, which is the point of the thread, no?

[Snowball]

Based on Current Points and maintaining the Last 17 Games form for the next 23 Games

Final Table would look like this

90.0 Points Southampton
84.5 Points West Ham
84.5 Points Boro
79.5 Points Hull
79.3 Points Reading
77.0 Points Cardiff

73.0 Points Leeds
69.0 Points Burnley
67.0 Points Blackpool
66.0 Points Birmingham

Very similar to last season, but this season we don't need such a stupendous run to manage it

5 Reading P46 +26 77 Points

[Snowball]

We could all just go to this page and the various others on Football365 for these stats.

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D1/vtophalf.html

How does this compare to last season, which is the point of the thread, no?

You can do what you like, cmonurz, same as I can.

And yeah, people can go to other sites and come back here and discuss, or they can discuss stuff that's IN THE THREAD


We are two points ahead of last season at half-way.

Our solid run is FAR more solid compared to last year at this point.

We are beating top-six sides which last year we couldn't do.

After 23 games we were 8th, after 24 games we were ELEVENTH

1 23 13-08-2 42-14 +28 47 2.04 Queens Park Rangers
2 23 12-04-7 38-26 +12 40 1.74 Cardiff City
3 23 11-06-6 39-32 +07 39 1.70 Norwich City
4 24 12-04-8 29-23 +06 40 1.67 Swansea City
5 24 11-07-6 44-40 +04 40 1.67 Leeds United
X 23 10-06-7 30-22 +08 36 1.57 Reading 2011-12 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
6 21 08-09-4 29-19 +10 33 1.57 Nottingham Forest
7 22 09-06-7 42-34 +08 33 1.50 Watford
8 23 08-10-5 35-25 +10 34 1.48 Reading 2010-11 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<


We LW games 24-25, Last Season. Games 24-25 this season are Home to Ipswich, Away to Cardiff

[chilipepper91]

Based on Current Points and maintaining the Last 17 Games form for the next 23 Games

Final Table would look like this

90.0 Points Southampton
84.5 Points West Ham
84.5 Points Boro
79.5 Points Hull
79.3 Points Reading
77.0 Points Cardiff

73.0 Points Leeds
69.0 Points Burnley
67.0 Points Blackpool
66.0 Points Birmingham

Very similar to last season, but this season we don't need such a stupendous run to manage it

5 Reading P46 +26 77 Points

I think the question on everyone's lips is HOW DID TWO TEAMS MANAGE TO GET HALF POINTS??? And Reading a point three?! Is it goal difference or something? Or did we get docked .7 for playing Bongani KhumaLOL at the start of the season?

What about maintaining the last 6 games form (the "typical" form table) for the next 23 games. This is relevant to my interests. And, I'm sure, entirely not about to happen.