Wingers for 13/14

[tjmill]

Drenthe will play off main striker in a free role I think. Will need to keep Kebe and Jobi with Mccleary as sub. Sell Robson Kanu ESP if get 2m plus for him.

[glenroyal]

Funny, wasn't seeing Drenthe as a winger ?

Jimi, on the other hand, I still rate, but has to prove something this season. As the stats and comments show he not only played fewer games last season, but even when he did - he rarely seemed 100% in it - carrying an injury or mentally, whatever. Come on Jimi.

[WestRoyal]

Drenthe will play off main striker in a free role I think. Will need to keep Kebe and Jobi with Mccleary as sub. Sell Robson Kanu ESP if get 2m plus for him.

I can't see mcanuff Getting in front of McCleary who is far more dangerous on the wings going forward

[Albert Spangler]

We don't play with wingers anymore. We have three interchangeable attacking players in front of the midfield cover. Against Fulham, all three were wingers but they took it in turns to go through the middle. That's how Drenthe will fit in, by not having a fixed position.

[CholseyRoyal]

We don't play with wingers anymore. We have three interchangeable attacking players in front of the midfield cover. Against Fulham, all three were wingers but they took it in turns to go through the middle. That's how Drenthe will fit in, by not having a fixed position.

Probably more difficult to defend against but there are wingers there who can take on the role from time to time to confuse the defence.

[Ian Royal]

Drenthe will play off main striker in a free role I think. Will need to keep Kebe and Jobi with Mccleary as sub. Sell Robson Kanu ESP if get 2m plus for him.

I can't see mcanuff Getting in front of McCleary who is far more dangerous on the wings going forward

Even though McAnuff is still currently captain, played ahead of him under two separate managers last season, and has been our leading assister the last two seasons?

Just for the record, the FL website has Jobi down with the following assists:
2011/12 - 11
2010/11 - 7
2009/10 - 9
2008/09 - 8 (Watford)
2007/08 - 4 (Watford)

With Whoscored.com giving him 7 last year compared to McCleary's 2. McCleary got 7 the year before.

I'd really like to see exactly what you're basing that assertion on. I accept McCleary's likely to score more goals, but more dangerous? Goals on their own does not make him more dangerous.

[maffff]

Hard to compare Jobi and GMac though as they have different natural games. Jobi is a more conventional winger whereas GMac is a wide forward. McCleary gets the ball and looks for the goal 9/10 times, he's more selfish and less likely to create for others, I've never thought much of his all round game or crossing, but if we want to drive play forwards and create from nothing then he is a good option for that. Jimmy and Jobi offer more to the game all round, HRK too - and I think he's more accomplished than GMac in that role. The two of them together, like the end of last season, could he devastating if we have good fullbacks and cover from midfield. Gunter and GMac combine well and know each others games but GMac seems to have been converted to the left side. Bridge and Drenthe should he a good combination with Gunter and GMac on the right. Jobi, HRK or Kebe in the centre and competing for the right / cover spots. Kebe links well with Cummings and Kelly should be solid enough with any. Happy that we can go all out attack up to.

[Snowball]

Even though McAnuff is still currently captain, played ahead of him under two separate managers last season, and has been our leading assister the last two seasons?

Just for the record, the FL website has Jobi down with the following assists:
2011/12 - 11
2010/11 - 7
2009/10 - 9
2008/09 - 8 (Watford)
2007/08 - 4 (Watford)

With Whoscored.com giving him 7 last year compared to McCleary's 2. McCleary got 7 the year before.

I'd really like to see exactly what you're basing that assertion on. I accept McCleary's likely to score more goals, but more dangerous? Goals on their own does not make him more dangerous.

Don't forget McAnuff plays more minutes. McCleary's numbers are FAR better than McAnuff's

Second McCleary still has to hit his peak, McAnuff is on his way down.

2012-13 Prem - 17 (16) Appearances 1,579 Minutes 3 Goals - 3 Assists - 6 MCs - 268 Mins/Goal or Assist - 0,526 Minutes per Goal - McCleary
2012-13 Prem - 38 (00) Appearances 3,266 Minutes 0 Goals - 9 Assists - 9 MCs - 363 Mins/Goal or Assist - 9,999 Minutes per Goal - McAnuff

2011-12 Champ 021 (01) Appearances 01,897 Minutes 09 Goals - 06 Assists - 211 Mins/Goal, 127 Minutes/Goal or Assist - McCleary
2011-12 Champ 040 (00) Appearances 03,516 Minutes 05 Goals - 10 Assists - 703 Mins/Goal, 234 Minutes/Goal or Assist - McAnuff


All Championship Games

043 (60) Appearances 05,154 Minutes 12 Goals - 12 Assists - 430 Minutes per Goal, 215 Mins/Goal or Assist McCleary
291 (25) Appearances 25,648 Minutes 31 Goals - 51 Assists - 827 Minutes per Goal, 312 Mins/Goal or Assist McAnuff

[maffff]

Yeah, but GMac is selfish and does oxf*rd all for the team. Do your stats show his wider contribution? We know he scores more, he assists less frequently etc. You're telling us nothing new, or interesting.

[Snowball]

So goals do nothing for the team, and assists do nothing for the team? Got it.

Thanks for the input.

[maffff]

So goals do nothing for the team, and assists do nothing for the team? Got it.

Thanks for the input.

Typical snowball reply, as blind as your statistics.

[Snowball]

Do your stats show his wider contribution? We know he scores more, he assists less frequently etc.

McLeary (still improving) scores more than McAnuff AND gets more assists


All Championship Games

043 (60) 05,154 Minutes 12 Assists - 430 Minutes per Assist McCleary
291 (25) 25,648 Minutes 51 Assists - 502 Minutes per Assist McAnuff

[Snowball]

So goals do nothing for the team, and assists do nothing for the team? Got it.

Thanks for the input.

Typical snowball reply, as blind as your statistics.

Nothing "blind" about the two most important stats for an attacking player.

What's "blind" is you decided about a player on gut instinct alone and overlook
the fact that he gets all those extra minutes.

43 Shots last season for 0 Goals but you say McCLEARY is selfish?



A winger's job is to make goals, score some goals and help his full-back

McAnuff's shooting has always been dire and the min reason he gates reasonable totals
is he gets a lot of minutes on the pitch, but he has always "flattered to deceive" and
it's only with Reading that he's got half-decent figures.. But the fact is he gets an assist every
5.5 games, and that is NOT impressive.

McCleary does better (an assist every 4.75 games) but makes up for this still-ordinary ratio
by far out-scoring McAnuff.

McAnuff works hard, but then IMO so does McLeary

[St. Brynjar]

McCleary is a more exciting, faster player and for some reason the fans love him. He's also a greedy bastard who isn't keen on passing, or tracking back, both of which are traits found in McAnuff. McCleary is probably a better option for the Championship because we don't need to worry so much about defense, but I'd rather have Kebe over both of them who contributes defensively and offensively to a much greater extent.

[Snowball]

I remember McCleary working REALLY well defensively in the Chelsea away game

I still had my eyes open at games, then.

[St. Brynjar]

So well that we conceded 4 goals?

[Za Vas]

In fairness the third was offside and for the fourth Fedders was in the Chelsea box

[St. Brynjar]

In fairness the third was offside and for the fourth Fedders was in the Chelsea box

I was more making a point about stats than Garath McCleary.

[Ian Royal]

Even though McAnuff is still currently captain, played ahead of him under two separate managers last season, and has been our leading assister the last two seasons?

Just for the record, the FL website has Jobi down with the following assists:
2011/12 - 11
2010/11 - 7
2009/10 - 9
2008/09 - 8 (Watford)
2007/08 - 4 (Watford)

With Whoscored.com giving him 7 last year compared to McCleary's 2. McCleary got 7 the year before.

I'd really like to see exactly what you're basing that assertion on. I accept McCleary's likely to score more goals, but more dangerous? Goals on their own does not make him more dangerous.

Don't forget McAnuff plays more minutes. McCleary's numbers are FAR better than McAnuff's

Second McCleary still has to hit his peak, McAnuff is on his way down.

2012-13 Prem - 17 (16) Appearances 1,579 Minutes 3 Goals - 3 Assists - 6 MCs - 268 Mins/Goal or Assist - 0,526 Minutes per Goal - McCleary
2012-13 Prem - 38 (00) Appearances 3,266 Minutes 0 Goals - 9 Assists - 9 MCs - 363 Mins/Goal or Assist - 9,999 Minutes per Goal - McAnuff

2011-12 Champ 021 (01) Appearances 01,897 Minutes 09 Goals - 06 Assists - 211 Mins/Goal, 127 Minutes/Goal or Assist - McCleary
2011-12 Champ 040 (00) Appearances 03,516 Minutes 05 Goals - 10 Assists - 703 Mins/Goal, 234 Minutes/Goal or Assist - McAnuff


All Championship Games

043 (60) Appearances 05,154 Minutes 12 Goals - 12 Assists - 430 Minutes per Goal, 215 Mins/Goal or Assist McCleary
291 (25) Appearances 25,648 Minutes 31 Goals - 51 Assists - 827 Minutes per Goal, 312 Mins/Goal or Assist McAnuff

minutes schminutes. McAnuff plays more because he's consistently better.

McCleary is a more exciting, faster player and for some reason the fans love him.

He's played less so he's not had as much chance for people to see him do thigns wrong. The grass is always greener etc. He's come on and flattered a bit off the bench, looked quick and been greedy with a few shots a couple that have gone in. So people spunk themselves over him and carry on banging on about how McAnuff is shit because he doesn't constantly shout and win us every game.

[_royal]

Drenthe on the left, McCleary on the right. HRK with the number 10 role.