On a positive note - Uche Ikpeazu

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Re: On a positive note - Uche Ikpeazu

by Hoop Blah » 02 Jul 2013 17:48

sandman And that's all well and good but the perception from the outside when you lose a young player who scored 28 goals for your academy to a club in the same division is not going to be quite as simple as your view. If, for instance, this had happened a couple of months ago and the lad from Hull saw something like that happen maybe he would have thought differently about moving away from his home to sign for Reading.


I don't think we give out substantial contracts to players we don't rate just to maintain an image or perception that can easily be countered by a good old conversation with the right people.

Watford are having to cobble together a new squad after losing a load of players and I don't think have a great deal of money to throw around doing so. We have a largely established squad and are adding some important key players to the team.

Our needs are totally different to Watfords and he'll probably get much more chance, and more money, going to Watford than staying here where he's miles away from getting a game with the first team.

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Re: On a positive note - Uche Ikpeazu

by Arnie_Pie » 02 Jul 2013 20:16

Fact is, the club know him better than we do and decided he was making silly demands. Passed him on and bought in the lad from Hull who they believe has better long term prospects.

Only time will tell.

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Re: On a positive note - Uche Ikpeazu

by SPARTA » 04 Jul 2013 15:40

If he's a success here the deal is worth £1,075,000. We obviously rate the boy!

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by Pepe the Horseman » 04 Jul 2013 16:07

SPARTA If he's a success here the deal is worth £1,075,000. We obviously rate the boy!

Or we think he's not going to be a success.


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Re: On a positive note - Uche Ikpeazu

by One8Seven1 » 04 Jul 2013 17:50

Re: Cardwell

£75k now
£250k if he plays 100 games in Championship
£750k if he players 50 games in the Premiership

Considering he isn't training with the first team squad in pre-season, we can forget about him for this season.

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Re: On a positive note - Uche Ikpeazu

by winchester_royal » 04 Jul 2013 18:01

He's only 16 FFS :lol:

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by One8Seven1 » 04 Jul 2013 18:08

winchester_royal He's only 16 FFS :lol:


I'm quite aware of that. Being 16 wouldn't stop Adkins from putting anyone in the full pre-season squad though if he felt they were ready. He did it at Southampton.

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by AthleticoSpizz » 04 Jul 2013 19:37

SCIAG Probably the closest we've come to another Sigurdsson was Bell-Baggie, but we inexplicably released him and he's now playing well on the wing for Tranmere
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23179546


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Re: On a positive note - Uche Ikpeazu

by Simon's Church » 04 Jul 2013 21:21

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winchester_royal He's only 16 FFS :lol:


I'm quite aware of that. Being 16 wouldn't stop Adkins from putting anyone in the full pre-season squad though if he felt they were ready. He did it at Southampton.

Considering he was mostly a sub for Hull's U18s last season you could probably have guessed he wasnt gonna join our first team tbh

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by Judge Drenthe » 04 Jul 2013 21:29

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winchester_royal He's only 16 FFS :lol:


I'm quite aware of that. Being 16 wouldn't stop Adkins from putting anyone in the full pre-season squad though if he felt they were ready. He did it at Southampton.

Considering he was mostly a sub for Hull's U18s last season you could probably have guessed he wasnt gonna join our first team tbh


He has a point though. Adkins has form for promoting 16 year olds to the first team and even blooding them, so yes you could play the odds and guess that, but by no means does it rule it out either. Hopefully the likes of Samuel, Obita, D'Ath will take their chance this summer and force their way into his thinking.

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Re: On a positive note - Uche Ikpeazu

by winchester_royal » 04 Jul 2013 21:51

Indeed, and tbf to the guy not many U16's make the bench for youth cup games, but I think it's pretty clear that it was an academy signing.

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by Royal Ginger » 06 Jul 2013 12:23

Pepe the Horseman
SPARTA If he's a success here the deal is worth £1,075,000. We obviously rate the boy!

Or we think he's not going to be a success.

If he actually ever plays 100 champ games and 50 prem games, then he will definitely have been worth the cash.


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Re: On a positive note - Uche Ikpeazu

by Pepe the Horseman » 06 Jul 2013 12:24

Tru dat homefry

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by One8Seven1 » 06 Jul 2013 13:09

Pepe the Horseman Tru dat homefry


He'll want a pizza the action, Pepe.

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Re: On a positive note - Uche Ikpeazu

by sandman » 12 Jul 2013 09:50

Hammond puts to bed winchester_royal's theory that they simply don't rate Ikpeazu in the Post saying the club are "disappointed" with it, that "it came as a shock", he was one of three they felt "were progressing exceedingly well" and they were going to speak to him "as the season progressed in accordance with policy".

Looks like they may have to review their policy to stop something like this happening again.

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by winchester_royal » 12 Jul 2013 10:16

sandman Hammond puts to bed winchester_royal's theory that they simply don't rate Ikpeazu in the Post saying the club are "disappointed" with it, that "it came as a shock", he was one of three they felt "were progressing exceedingly well" and they were going to speak to him "as the season progressed in accordance with policy".

Looks like they may have to review their policy to stop something like this happening again.


If that's so then yes, a fook up has occurred, but doesn't put to bed my theory that prior to last season he wasn't r8ed particularly highly therefore giving him a pro deal back then would have been dumb.

P.S. both Pearce and HRK signing new deals puts to bed your idea of any significant blows to Anton's academy push.

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by sandman » 12 Jul 2013 10:35

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sandman Hammond puts to bed winchester_royal's theory that they simply don't rate Ikpeazu in the Post saying the club are "disappointed" with it, that "it came as a shock", he was one of three they felt "were progressing exceedingly well" and they were going to speak to him "as the season progressed in accordance with policy".

Looks like they may have to review their policy to stop something like this happening again.


If that's so then yes, a fook up has occurred, but doesn't put to bed my theory that prior to last season he wasn't r8ed particularly highly therefore giving him a pro deal back then would have been dumb.

P.S. both Pearce and HRK signing new deals puts to bed your idea of any significant blows to Anton's academy push.


Not sure how their development has anything to do with his policies considering they came through the academy years before he had anything to do with the club.

This is a blow to him and his policy since he became owner especially this crop of academy players because as I pointed out in one of my previous posts on this subject he gave an interview where he said "6,7 or 8 of this age group could come through"

You can dress it up and play the denial card all you want but that is the truth and it's a wake up call that they need to get far more professional given their newly found academy status.

I hear they need someone to move the goalposts at the club maybe you should apply.

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Re: On a positive note - Uche Ikpeazu

by winchester_royal » 12 Jul 2013 10:58

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sandman Hammond puts to bed winchester_royal's theory that they simply don't rate Ikpeazu in the Post saying the club are "disappointed" with it, that "it came as a shock", he was one of three they felt "were progressing exceedingly well" and they were going to speak to him "as the season progressed in accordance with policy".

Looks like they may have to review their policy to stop something like this happening again.


If that's so then yes, a fook up has occurred, but doesn't put to bed my theory that prior to last season he wasn't r8ed particularly highly therefore giving him a pro deal back then would have been dumb.

P.S. both Pearce and HRK signing new deals puts to bed your idea of any significant blows to Anton's academy push.


Not sure how their development has anything to do with his policies considering they came through the academy years before he had anything to do with the club.

This is a blow to him and his policy since he became owner especially this crop of academy players because as I pointed out in one of my previous posts on this subject he gave an interview where he said "6,7 or 8 of this age group could come through"

You can dress it up and play the denial card all you want but that is the truth and it's a wake up call that they need to get far more professional given their newly found academy status.

I hear they need someone to move the goalposts at the club maybe you should apply.


Eh? The policies are absolutely no different in terms of contracts given to U18's compared to when SJM was owner. Anton will have had very little to do with the decision of when to talk to Uche about a new contract so quite why you've decided to lay the blame at his feet is a complete mystery.

Their 'development' isn't relevant, you're right, but the fact that they've decided to sign up to the club despite relegation and top-flight interest is very significant and is a result of the club's new ambition. It's all very well developing players, but there's no point letting them go just as they start to reach their peak as we were doing before Anton came in, so it is in fact very relevant indeed.

We've lost a talented youngster, but we've gained a couple as well, and until we see how they all develop spouting off about it being a 'massive blow' is ridiculous.

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Re: On a positive note - Uche Ikpeazu

by winchester_royal » 12 Jul 2013 11:06

^Footnote: This 'fuck up' doesn't even come close to that of releasing Charlie Austin at 16 because he was too 'small'. Was Anton involved in that decision as well?

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