Adkins too cautious

[paddy20]

He is now saying Drenthe won't be ready to play a full game for weeks! How on earth does he think players will get match fit. Not starting in under 21's. Is he really saying you are not really in my plans? If he was fit for the bench and looked good when he came on why is he saying weeks instead of days? Its not as if we are spoilt for choice when it comes to creative players. Or is it punishment? We seem to have a big problem with the time it takes for players to get back from injury

[maffff]

Was the same at saints.

[paddy20]

[quote="maffff"]Was the same at saints.[/quote

Umm seems pretty set in his ways! Is it a system to punish players who are injured too long?

[Ian Royal]

He is now saying Drenthe won't be ready to play a full game for weeks! How on earth does he think players will get match fit. Not starting in under 21's. Is he really saying you are not really in my plans? If he was fit for the bench and looked good when he came on why is he saying weeks instead of days? Its not as if we are spoilt for choice when it comes to creative players. Or is it punishment? We seem to have a big problem with the time it takes for players to get back from injury

Is it perhaps because Drenthe obviously wasn't match fit when he came on and doesn't have a great fitness record?

[mambo3]

If you don't work hard in training you don't play

[Victor Meldrew]

A professional sportsman can get pretty fit in a week.

[Platypuss]

He is now saying Drenthe won't be ready to play a full game for weeks! How on earth does he think players will get match fit.

By progressively playing longer and longer each game? Was this a trick question?

Shocking thread title again.

[Royal Ginger]

#prayforpaddy

[Ian Royal]

A professional sportsman can get pretty fit in a week.

What's that got to do with Drenthe, who came to us unfit, took weeks to get almost fit and has only just returned from injury? He's not exactly got a naturally atheletic build either.

[NewCorkSeth]

Has anyone prayed for paddy yet?

[SPARTA]

He is now saying Drenthe won't be ready to play a full game for weeks! How on earth does he think players will get match fit. Not starting in under 21's. Is he really saying you are not really in my plans? If he was fit for the bench and looked good when he came on why is he saying weeks instead of days? Its not as if we are spoilt for choice when it comes to creative players. Or is it punishment? We seem to have a big problem with the time it takes for players to get back from injury

Did you see how much weight Drenthe was carrying on Saturday? He was puffing out of his arse after 10 minutes. He isn't even fit enough for 30 minutes. Adkins knows that better than us.

[paddy20]

He is now saying Drenthe won't be ready to play a full game for weeks! How on earth does he think players will get match fit.

By progressively playing longer and longer each game? Was this a trick question?

Shocking thread title again.

! With all the training there is something wrong for a player to take weeks to get fit if the injury is over. Getting match fit should only be one or two games. There is either a problem with the trainer or the training

[Extended-Phenotype]

Adkins isn't allowed to play Drenthe.

[paddy20]

It occurs to me that perhaps Adkins is behind the times when it comes to possession football. Lots of statistics say the more possession you have the more points you get. But surely the quality of possession is important and hard to quantify. Generally the quality of the play and players will result in more possession but the success has nothing to do with possession per se. We probably had a high % of possession when we first got promoted to the premiership but it wasn't possession football. This emphasis that Adkins gives to this is one of the reasons there is no real pace in the team anymore.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Possibly slower because we sold all our fast players and were only allowed to sign old people on frees.

[AkpansBFF]

Might just be him keeping the opposition guessing...

[Cureton's Volley]

the quality of possession is important and hard to quantify

It is important, but I hesitate to suggest not that difficult to begin to quantify.

Aspects which could contribute to an over-arching quality score may include:

Territory of the possession (x,y-logging which is already measured for 'action areas' graphics and possession heat maps)
A co-efficient which expresses the number of opposing players between the player in possession and the opposition goal (I believe this can be extracted from the current data captured as above)
A system to score the outcome of possession spells (e.g. possession results in: 10 pts goal, 4pts shot on target, 3pts shot off target, 2pts corner/fk, 1pt throw in, -1 throw in to opposition, -2 given away...)

I'm sure there are a lot more which could make a valuable contribution to make it more accurate. All we need is some statto to collate & crunch the data...

[Zana Badawi]

the quality of possession is important and hard to quantify

It is important, but I hesitate to suggest not that difficult to begin to quantify.

Aspects which could contribute to an over-arching quality score may include:

Territory of the possession (x,y-logging which is already measured for 'action areas' graphics and possession heat maps)
A co-efficient which expresses the number of opposing players between the player in possession and the opposition goal (I believe this can be extracted from the current data captured as above)
A system to score the outcome of possession spells (e.g. possession results in: 10 pts goal, 4pts shot on target, 3pts shot off target, 2pts corner/fk, 1pt throw in, -1 throw in to opposition, -2 given away...)

I'm sure there are a lot more which could make a valuable contribution to make it more accurate. All we need is some statto to collate & crunch the data...

Given that the shots on target, off target, corners, throw-ins etc. dont actually contribute to anything unless a goal comes from them, I suggest we just weight the points for the goals score, maybe negatively weight any goals that go in against us - or in other words, quality of possession can be measured by the score after 90 minutes.

[paddy20]

the quality of possession is important and hard to quantify

It is important, but I hesitate to suggest not that difficult to begin to quantify.

Aspects which could contribute to an over-arching quality score may include:

Territory of the possession (x,y-logging which is already measured for 'action areas' graphics and possession heat maps)
A co-efficient which expresses the number of opposing players between the player in possession and the opposition goal (I believe this can be extracted from the current data captured as above)
A system to score the outcome of possession spells (e.g. possession results in: 10 pts goal, 4pts shot on target, 3pts shot off target, 2pts corner/fk, 1pt throw in, -1 throw in to opposition, -2 given away...)

I'm sure there are a lot more which could make a valuable contribution to make it more accurate. All we need is some statto to collate & crunch the data...

Yes good point but you would have to go back a few years to get meaningful data. Not sure it could be done in retrospect but would be good if it was recorded from now on. Pretty sure it would show quality possession to be key and better quality teams generally have higher % possession anyway, making a tactic of keeping possession either irrelevant or possibly counter productive.

[paddy20]

the quality of possession is important and hard to quantify

It is important, but I hesitate to suggest not that difficult to begin to quantify.

Aspects which could contribute to an over-arching quality score may include:

Territory of the possession (x,y-logging which is already measured for 'action areas' graphics and possession heat maps)
A co-efficient which expresses the number of opposing players between the player in possession and the opposition goal (I believe this can be extracted from the current data captured as above)
A system to score the outcome of possession spells (e.g. possession results in: 10 pts goal, 4pts shot on target, 3pts shot off target, 2pts corner/fk, 1pt throw in, -1 throw in to opposition, -2 given away...)

I'm sure there are a lot more which could make a valuable contribution to make it more accurate. All we need is some statto to collate & crunch the data...

Given that the shots on target, off target, corners, throw-ins etc. dont actually contribute to anything unless a goal comes from them, I suggest we just weight the points for the goals score, maybe negatively weight any goals that go in against us - or in other words, quality of possession can be measured by the score after 90 minutes.

Statistics show that more points are gained by teams with more possession. I think those statistics were based going back 10 years throughout the top leagues in Europe. The key is whether those successful teams set out tactically to retain a high % of possession or whether it was due to their superiority over the opposing team on that date. I suspect the latter.Some football tacticians have used this information to say , ah, all we have to do is keep possession more than the opposing team and we will win more games. I think this thinking is flawed and is based on an incorrect interpretation of the data. My guess is that this tactic of keeping possession during most of the time that data was collected did not exist. I predict that over the next 2/3 years teams using this tactic, and having low quality possession data will be performing worse and not better than those with lower possession rates. In short keeping possession can be harmful!!