Sheff Weds - Back from the game

[Ouroboros]

You seem quite an angry man, Walkley, everything ok at home?

Maybe he's angry because the Walkley dentists don't pick up the phone or return your calls.

Makes me MAD.

[Walkley_Owl]

You seem quite an angry man, Walkley, everything ok at home?

Maybe he's angry because the Walkley dentists don't pick up the phone or return your calls.

Makes me MAD.

They bombard me with texts about appointments!

[Ouroboros]

You got an appointment?

[Walkley_Owl]

You got an appointment?

Walkley Dental Practice? Of course.

[Ouroboros]

They must discriminate on grounds of regional accent, then.

Bastards.

[JC]

Having seen the new footage I am even more convinced Gorkss would have got there. And yes I think it was a con. How can the slightest touch on the shirt make a player fall forward?

[@sonkimarsson]

Having reviewed the video posted, I can now see why the pen's given, though i still feel it's somewhat soft. A red is ludicrous however. Afobe quite clearly goes down after realising he's getting no where near the ball due to an awful touch. Good opportunism by Afobe I suppose.....

[Ian Royal]

Better angle of the pen now on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8qTi4l ... e=youtu.be

Such a twattish dive, but Pearce pulled his shirt very slightly so who knows if an appeal would be successful.

I can't see Floyd's wallet in much danger of being opened for Adkins car. Regardless of how easily Afobe went down Pearce clearly tugs on his shirt when he's through on goal. Any debate about whether Gorkss would get across quickly enough or the ball had got away from Afobe is exactly that, a debate. It's just not clear enough to say for certain either way, particularly when you remember the ref doesn't have replays. The ref is well within his rights to give the pen and the red regardless of how soft / harsh it is.

There is absolutely no obvious mistake there.

And neither of the angles I've seen have shown anything approaching a foul from Afobe.

[RoyalBlue]

Better angle of the pen now on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8qTi4l ... e=youtu.be

Such a twattish dive, but Pearce pulled his shirt very slightly so who knows if an appeal would be successful.

I can't see Floyd's wallet in much danger of being opened for Adkins car. Regardless of how easily Afobe went down Pearce clearly tugs on his shirt when he's through on goal. Any debate about whether Gorkss would get across quickly enough or the ball had got away from Afobe is exactly that, a debate. It's just not clear enough to say for certain either way, particularly when you remember the ref doesn't have replays. The ref is well within his rights to give the pen and the red regardless of how soft / harsh it is.

There is absolutely no obvious mistake there.

And neither of the angles I've seen have shown anything approaching a foul from Afobe.

Quite right, the ref doesn't have the replays but he does have the benefit of an assistant who should have had a very good view of the incident. He should have taken time to consult with him, rather than being so quick to brandish the red card. He was dreadful throughout, to the extent that I actually ended up wishing D'Urso was refereeing rather than acting as 4th official!! His failure to send Maguire off for his assault on Obita was a shocking failure to exercise his responsibilities correctly - yet he will no doubt get away without even a ticking off.

If you appeal for a foul you're still trying to get the player in trouble so yes, they are the same. "Two wrongs don't make a right" well that's very idealistic of you but we are chasing a play off place in order to get promoted to the Premier League and all of the money that involves, there is no place for ideals in football. Well done to Obita for doing it, shame it didn't come off.

Pretty much sums up everything that's wrong with football these days.

Another example of Saturday's shocking officiating. It was so bleeding obvious, either the ref or his assistant should have spotted what was going on and taken action against Obita.

[RoyalBlue]

I'm sorry but that is crap, we did a job, yes we were helped by the dismissal but in the 2nd period we controlled the game, you had 0 shots on target!

Bottom line. Don't think we had many OFF target either. Reading were awful second half; no matter what the circumstances were our efforts/tactics to get back into the game were disappointing. 0 shots on target, as he says.

Reading to appeal against the Pearce's red card.

If this appeal is successful I will buy Nigel Adkins a new car.

Quoted on the very small off chance that the idiots at the FA surprise everyone. Wouldn't want Floyd deleting his post at that point!

[tmesis]

We had a lot "chances" that essentially didn't come to fruition as we got crowded out in their box or the cross missed it's target.

Yeh we didn't get many shots off, but for a team with ten men we were still in the game until the miles caught up with our midfield.

The two chances we should have scored from in the first 10 minutes also don't really exist in stattoworld, as neither resulted in a shot.

[Ian Royal]

We had a lot "chances" that essentially didn't come to fruition as we got crowded out in their box or the cross missed it's target.

Yeh we didn't get many shots off, but for a team with ten men we were still in the game until the miles caught up with our midfield.

The two chances we should have scored from in the first 10 minutes also don't really exist in stattoworld, as neither resulted in a shot.

They don't even appear as a clearance off the line it seems

[Handsome Man]

It will be a two-game ban for a frivolous appeal then: more time for Hector?

The red-card situation is like umpire's call in cricket at the moment. Although in c 99% of the times similar incidents have happened before, the presence of a covering defender has meant no red card, you can't really see them changing the decision now it has been made.

[Ian Royal]

People (worryingly it also seems our management) don't seem to understand the point of the appeal.

As you suggest, it's not to look at the incident and decide the right decision, it's to look at the decision the referee made and to see if it is blatantly wrong or whether they made their decision based on their interpretation of what actually happened.

[Whore Jackie]

Anyone know how many appeals have actually led to extended bans? Carroll's 3 match ban was upheld, despite considerable doubts about the validity of West Ham's appeal.

[JC]

Anyone know how many appeals have actually led to extended bans? Carroll's 3 match ban was upheld, despite considerable doubts about the validity of West Ham's appeal.

You could also argue, as many did, that it was a justifiable appeal

[royalsteve]

Poor poor game.

Pearce got turned for pace a countless amount of times in just 10 minutes, red card could be a blessing for the next 3 games, Hector getting his chance.

Alf and Pog both really wasted good chances in the first 10 minutes, should have been 2-0 up before the pen.

Credit to Adkins for going for it, ended the game with (sort of) 4 strikers on the pitch.

There isn't much we can do when down to 10 besides lump it forward, especially when our most creative player is forced to drop to Right Back.

agreed would be good to see hector, I just don't rate pearce and the Sheffield game rubber stamped that. its something that was waiting to happen

[The Real Sandhurst Royal]

royalsteve wrote: agreed would be good to see hector, I just don't rate pearce and the Sheffield game rubber stamped that. its something that was waiting to happen

You don't rate Pearce...Amazing comment since Pearce was voted player of the season by the fans two season ago in the Championship 2011 /12 winning side, what did you think then!!

[Ian Royal]

Jobi just isn't a player for the simple fan.

I would argue that, au contraire, the simple fan fails to see that he runs around a lot but actually he seldom delivers. The simple fan sees the jockeying, the occasional beating a player, but not the final delivery failing to find its mark. The simple fan fails to notice the getting caught in possession, the misplaced passes and not to mention the dreadful free kicks.

No. Not really. The simple fan by definition only sees the simplistic. They think he's a poor captain because he doesn't yell and scream obviously. They think he's a poor winger because he doesn't always take on and beat his man, because he doesn't score regulalrly, because he sometimes loses the ball and because his set peices are some times poor.

They fail to appreciate all the subtler things he brings to the side. They fail to remember all the set pieces he takes that we score from ecause they're more focused on the goal than the cross. They fail to see the excellent hassling back when he loses the ball. The support to the fullback. The retaining of possession through sensible play, the scaring full backs and the good inter-play. McAnuff has for years been involved in most of our best and most intricate play.

His career is coming towards its end and he's not been at his best a lot of this season. But if you can appreciatethe depth of the game and what goes on off the ball, you'll probably rate him. If not You'll just go McCleary amazeballs coz he run fast and shoot straight hur hur hur.

[bcubed]

Jobi just isn't a player for the simple fan.

I would argue that, au contraire, the simple fan fails to see that he runs around a lot but actually he seldom delivers. The simple fan sees the jockeying, the occasional beating a player, but not the final delivery failing to find its mark. The simple fan fails to notice the getting caught in possession, the misplaced passes and not to mention the dreadful free kicks.

No. Not really. The simple fan by definition only sees the simplistic. They think he's a poor captain because he doesn't yell and scream obviously. They think he's a poor winger because he doesn't always take on and beat his man, because he doesn't score regulalrly, because he sometimes loses the ball and because his set peices are some times poor.

They fail to appreciate all the subtler things he brings to the side. They fail to remember all the set pieces he takes that we score from ecause they're more focused on the goal than the cross. They fail to see the excellent hassling back when he loses the ball. The support to the fullback. The retaining of possession through sensible play, the scaring full backs and the good inter-play. McAnuff has for years been involved in most of our best and most intricate play.

His career is coming towards its end and he's not been at his best a lot of this season. But if you can appreciatethe depth of the game and what goes on off the ball, you'll probably rate him. If not You'll just go McCleary amazeballs coz he run fast and shoot straight hur hur hur.

I’m not saying he hasn’t ever been good for us but as you acknowledge in your last para he’s not been up to scratch this season.
I dont want to remember his old set pieces what about his current ones?

And sure he tracks back when he loses the ball – it happens a lot

And as for McCleary, he has definitely delivered - just look at the stats for assists.