If we went up

[paddy20]

If by some chance we went up this year what on earth would happen?

1. Mr Mad carries on as usual. We might be allowed the odd player as long as we spend less than £5-10m. Result- we have no chance of staying up

2. We sell the club. It will take at least 3 months to go through and no money will be available during this time. We spend even less

3. We start the season with pretty much the same squad. By the time the Jan transfer window comes already too far adrift

Bit negative I know but can't see any other outcome. Still rather see that though than not go up!

[Silver Fox]

If by some chance we went up this year what on earth would happen?

There'll be at least 20 different threads asking what will happen

[Pepe the Horseman]

Let's hope we don't go up then.

[maffff]

4) Team spirit pulls us through, we win the league, next stop champions of europe.

[Royal Rads]

To be fair palace this year has managed to survive with spending not to much more than what we did last time out, with the right manager and a couple of signings in the right area it can be done but either way we go up means at worst we get a nice pay packet that means despite ownership situation we can stay a little more financially secure for a while

[billybraggsbeard]

To be fair palace this year has managed to survive with spending not to much more than what we did last time out, with the right manager and a couple of signings in the right area it can be done but either way we go up means at worst we get a nice pay packet that means despite ownership situation we can stay a little more financially secure for a while

I'll think you'll find they spent a lot more than we did, they bought Kebe & Mariappa from us for starters plus Puncheon

[liamobey]

To be fair palace this year has managed to survive with spending not to much more than what we did last time out, with the right manager and a couple of signings in the right area it can be done but either way we go up means at worst we get a nice pay packet that means despite ownership situation we can stay a little more financially secure for a while

Aneurysm

[maffff]

To be fair palace this year has managed to survive with spending not to much more than what we did last time out

Summer signings:

Stephen Dobbie (Brighton & Hove Albion) Undisclosed fee, left out of 25 man squad.
Dwight Gayle (Peterborough United) £8.5m
Jerome Thomas (West Bromwich Albion) Free
Jose Campana (Sevilla) Undisclosed. £2m.
Elliot Grandin (Unattached) Free
Marouane Chamakh (Arsenal) Undisclosed. Around £1.5m.
Neil Alexander (Unattached) Free
Florian Marange (Unattached) Free. Left out of 25 man squad.
Jason Puncheon (Southampton) Loan fee paid, that went up to £1.75m to make permanent (incl. loan fee)
Jimmy Kebe (Reading) Undisclosed. £2.5m upfront , 30k per week.
Jack Hunt (Huddersfield) Undisclosed. Around £2m.
Adrian Mariappa (Reading) Undiscosed. Around £2m upfront, up to £3m upon survival.
Barry Bannan (Aston Villa) Undisclosed. £500k upfront, £2m upon PL survival.
Cameron Jerome (Stoke City) Loan fee £1m paid for season + 100% of wages.

That's £24m or so, and a hell of a lot on wages.

January:

Tom Ince loan. £1m.
Wayne Hennessy £3m.
Joe Ledley: £1m.
Scott dann: £1.5m plus add ons.

£6.5m

Total about £30m spent on transfers. Dread to think what they have paid on wages, too.

[Brum Royal]

Exactly, Palace signed so many players two of them couldn't get in to their Premier League squad!!!

[P!ssed Off]

No. 1 hopefully.
Take the money and run. This squad cannot compete in the PL fullstop.

Use money to ensure CAT 1 status, sort out new training ground, and once relegated start to build a squad capable of staying in the PL.

[SCIAG]

To be fair palace this year has managed to survive with spending not to much more than what we did last time out

Summer signings:

Marouane Chamakh (Arsenal) Undisclosed. Around £1.5m.
Jason Puncheon (Southampton) Loan fee paid, that went up to £1.75m to make permanent (incl. loan fee)
Adrian Mariappa (Reading) Undiscosed. Around £2m upfront, up to £3m upon survival.
Barry Bannan (Aston Villa) Undisclosed. £500k upfront, £2m upon PL survival.
Cameron Jerome (Stoke City) Loan fee £1m paid for season + 100% of wages.

January:

Joe Ledley: £1m.
Scott dann: £1.5m plus add ons.

You are of course right that Palace's spending has far outstripped ours. But, as you note, a lot of their signings were totally unnecessary. Remove the players that haven't contributed, and if your fees are accurate that's £11.5m if they stay up and £9m otherwise, plus the wages of 7.

If they had avoided vanity signings like Gayle and a bunch of players they didn't use, their spending would be comparable to ours (once you account for signing on fees for Pogrebnyak, Guthrie and McCleary - and, to be fair, excluding Blackman, Sweeney and Carrico).

Hull's summer spending was comparable to ours, again if you factor in Pogrebnyak's perks. And the same for Norwich and Swansea when they were first promoted.

I don't think the amount of spending is nearly as important as the manager's tactics, which McDermott got spectacularly wrong. Look also at QPR and Cardiff, who spent a lot but had other issues (managerial incompetence and, in Cardiff's case, major boardroom issues).

Obviously you can spend your way out of relegation (Tevez), but it is not necessary to spend extraordinary amounts and it is no guarantee.

[Arnie_Pie]

We will 'do a Reading' and rely on 'Reading time'.

[Ian Royal]

To be fair palace this year has managed to survive with spending not to much more than what we did last time out

Summer signings:

Stephen Dobbie (Brighton & Hove Albion) Undisclosed fee, left out of 25 man squad.
Dwight Gayle (Peterborough United) £8.5m
Jerome Thomas (West Bromwich Albion) Free
Jose Campana (Sevilla) Undisclosed. £2m.
Elliot Grandin (Unattached) Free
Marouane Chamakh (Arsenal) Undisclosed. Around £1.5m.
Neil Alexander (Unattached) Free
Florian Marange (Unattached) Free. Left out of 25 man squad.
Jason Puncheon (Southampton) Loan fee paid, that went up to £1.75m to make permanent (incl. loan fee)
Jimmy Kebe (Reading) Undisclosed. £2.5m upfront , 30k per week.
Jack Hunt (Huddersfield) Undisclosed. Around £2m.
Adrian Mariappa (Reading) Undiscosed. Around £2m upfront, up to £3m upon survival.
Barry Bannan (Aston Villa) Undisclosed. £500k upfront, £2m upon PL survival.
Cameron Jerome (Stoke City) Loan fee £1m paid for season + 100% of wages.

That's £24m or so, and a hell of a lot on wages.

January:

Tom Ince loan. £1m.
Wayne Hennessy £3m.
Joe Ledley: £1m.
Scott dann: £1.5m plus add ons.

£6.5m

Total about £30m spent on transfers. Dread to think what they have paid on wages, too.

Think the Accounts on CP show we got less than £4m for Kebe and Mariappa actually.

http://hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=121887&start=40

A bit more detail if anyone interested

Income
2013 2012
Media & Broadcasting £43.7m £5.1m
Matchday income £9.3m £5.6m
Commercial income £5.2m £3.1m
Rugby commission £0.6m £0.6m
Other £0.4m £0.3m
Total £59.3 £14.7

Therefore, being in the Prem was worth an extra £45m for the season (nearly all TV money). Operating costs went up from £36.9m to £62.4m (player numbers increased from 42 to 53) but this does include the amortisation of player transfer fees. So, in 2012 RFC made a loss of about £22m but only £2m in 2013.

In terms of the club's debt, it hasn't really gone up as the the loss is only a couple of million. It's moved around a bit (more is now owed to TSI than SJM) and the club also has deferred transfer fees of £2.8m still to pay. TSI owed £19.3m, SJM (via RFC Holdings) £9.8m.

We received £3.5m for Mariappa and Kebe

[P!ssed Off]

You are of course right that Palace's spending has far outstripped ours. But, as you note, a lot of their signings were totally unnecessary. Remove the players that haven't contributed, and if your fees are accurate that's £11.5m if they stay up and £9m otherwise, plus the wages of 7.

If they had avoided vanity signings like Gayle and a bunch of players they didn't use, their spending would be comparable to ours (once you account for signing on fees for Pogrebnyak, Guthrie and McCleary - and, to be fair, excluding Blackman, Sweeney and Carrico).

Hull's summer spending was comparable to ours, again if you factor in Pogrebnyak's perks. And the same for Norwich and Swansea when they were first promoted.

That is just nonsense.

Hull's Summer signings:
Huddlestone - £5 million
Davies - £2.3 million
Elmohamady £2 million
Sagbo - £1.5 million
McGregor - £1.5 million

Loans:
Livermore (full season)
Graham (6 months)

Frees:
Harper
Boyd
Figueroa

You're mad if you think "Pogrebnyak's perks" bridge the gap between what we spent and what they spent.

[Y21]

You are of course right that Palace's spending has far outstripped ours. But, as you note, a lot of their signings were totally unnecessary. Remove the players that haven't contributed, and if your fees are accurate that's £11.5m if they stay up and £9m otherwise, plus the wages of 7.

If they had avoided vanity signings like Gayle and a bunch of players they didn't use, their spending would be comparable to ours (once you account for signing on fees for Pogrebnyak, Guthrie and McCleary - and, to be fair, excluding Blackman, Sweeney and Carrico).

Hull's summer spending was comparable to ours, again if you factor in Pogrebnyak's perks. And the same for Norwich and Swansea when they were first promoted.

That is just nonsense.

Hull's Summer signings:
Huddlestone - £5 million
Davies - £2.3 million
Elmohamady £2 million
Sagbo - £1.5 million
McGregor - £1.5 million

Loans:
Livermore (full season)
Graham (6 months)

Frees:
Harper
Boyd
Figueroa

You're mad if you think "Pogrebnyak's perks" bridge the gap between what we spent and what they spent.

And there is also the possibility that there are some Elmohamady perks, or some Huddlestone perks.

If comparisons are going to be made, then they have to be comparing the same things. You can't say that our spending includes 'extras' but Hull or Crystal Palaces spending doesn't.

[genome]

You are of course right that Palace's spending has far outstripped ours. But, as you note, a lot of their signings were totally unnecessary. Remove the players that haven't contributed, and if your fees are accurate that's £11.5m if they stay up and £9m otherwise, plus the wages of 7.

If they had avoided vanity signings like Gayle and a bunch of players they didn't use, their spending would be comparable to ours (once you account for signing on fees for Pogrebnyak, Guthrie and McCleary - and, to be fair, excluding Blackman, Sweeney and Carrico).

Lol, so if you discount all of Palace's signings that would take their expenditure over ours, then they have spent about the same. Makes sense.

If you discount Fernandinho, Negredo, Navas and Jovetic, City spent about the same as us.

[paddy20]

To be fair palace this year has managed to survive with spending not to much more than what we did last time out, with the right manager and a couple of signings in the right area it can be done but either way we go up means at worst we get a nice pay packet that means despite ownership situation we can stay a little more financially secure for a while

Palace spent about £20m I think. No way are going to do that and they have a manager that has achieved miracles. Don't think we have that either. But agree with the finance bit

[P!ssed Off]

You are of course right that Palace's spending has far outstripped ours. But, as you note, a lot of their signings were totally unnecessary. Remove the players that haven't contributed, and if your fees are accurate that's £11.5m if they stay up and £9m otherwise, plus the wages of 7.

If they had avoided vanity signings like Gayle and a bunch of players they didn't use, their spending would be comparable to ours (once you account for signing on fees for Pogrebnyak, Guthrie and McCleary - and, to be fair, excluding Blackman, Sweeney and Carrico).

Lol, so if you discount all of Palace's signings that would take their expenditure over ours, then they have spent about the same. Makes sense.

If you discount Fernandinho, Negredo, Navas and Jovetic, City spent about the same as us.

Perhaps even less than us, when you factor in Pogrebnyak's perks!

[paddy20]

It used to be that you have to spend about £20m to stand any chance and that is with a good squad. We all know that we have a generally poor squad that has struggled to keep in the top six. Our outlay would need to be significantly higher. Apart from not having the money you would also need to attract the players and that means older players on very high wages ala Drenthe and Pog which hasn't worked either. To stay up we would need to sell quickly to a billionaire that would provide a significant sum and a plan to stay and develop. Both time and a willing investor are the big problem. May all be academic if we don't win tomorrow but it does highlight the expanding gulf between the champ and the premiership.

[melonhead]

im happy to just spend a sensible ammount and go back down again tbh
like we did last time