BFTG Charlton (H)

[CountryRoyal]

It's not really a surprise that Jano is complaining about Piazon. Some Reading fan's will just find any reason to moan at something. I swear to god if we signed Messi one or two would be like... "Good player and all, but a bit lightweight, and unproven in England, jury's out for me"

[Vision]

I think the pleasing thing about Saturday was that, unlike the Middlesbrough game, although not everything was coming off for him he kept going and subsequently created the winner. Against Boro his head dropped dar too easily and I think Clarke may well have had words with him.

As for getting caught, to a lesser degree the same can be said for Vydra in the games he's played in. He's always trying something off the cuff and on a lot of occasions it doesn't come off but when it does it usually leads to something significant. Vydra does it all a bit quicker (too quick at times I think) than Piazon though and doesn't seem to get disheartened if it doesn't quite come off for him. Some more time with Clarke will see Piazon better I think.

[Snowball136]

Wasn't it Piazon who brilliantly (i.e. clattered in) won a ball in our box or just outside, and roared upfield

around the 80-minute mark?




It's true that he isn't a brick back-toilet. Maybe we should replace him with Alex Pearce?

[Jano]

As silly as those people who used to criticise Blackman!

No. People used to criticise Blackman because he was crap and didn't work hard. Simple as that. Just because he's come good now doesn't mean they were wrong to criticise him before. He wasn't getting into the team for a reason.

Piazon for me, is not good enough for this team right now. That is my opinion, and it seems is the same for a lot of others as well. One good cross does not justify his place in the team for me. I've never even mentioned his physical ability, just that he slows down play and wants too much time on the ball, as well as wasting possession.

[Snowball136]

who scored.com rates Blackman & McShane top with 7.9

Second-top mark of 7.6 goes to Piazon & Obita

[CountryRoyal]

who scored.com rates Blackman & McShane top with 7.9

Second-top mark of 7.6 goes to Piazon & Obita

Agree with the first two. Blackman for me edged it, not least because of the goal. I felt he was the best player on the day, always looking to start something and playing at a higher tempo than everyone else. McShane was the other standout, but truthfully he had a pretty easy day.

[CountryRoyal]

As silly as those people who used to criticise Blackman!

No. People used to criticise Blackman because he was crap and didn't work hard. Simple as that. Just because he's come good now doesn't mean they were wrong to criticise him before. He wasn't getting into the team for a reason.

Piazon for me, is not good enough for this team right now. That is my opinion, and it seems is the same for a lot of others as well. One good cross does not justify his place in the team for me. I've never even mentioned his physical ability, just that he slows down play and wants too much time on the ball, as well as wasting possession.

[bcubed]

As silly as those people who used to criticise Blackman!

No. People used to criticise Blackman because he was crap and didn't work hard. Simple as that. Just because he's come good now doesn't mean they were wrong to criticise him before. He wasn't getting into the team for a reason.

Piazon for me, is not good enough for this team right now. That is my opinion, and it seems is the same for a lot of others as well. One good cross does not justify his place in the team for me. I've never even mentioned his physical ability, just that he slows down play and wants too much time on the ball, as well as wasting possession.

It's a question of whether you can recognise a good player or not

[Armadillo Roadkill]

No one is saying Piazon is useless.

Discussing players is kind of what a football discussion forum is for. It should be possible to have a differing opinion about a player's relative merits or contribution. It doesn't mean we especially enjoy observing weaknesses in player. And sarcastic gifs don't really move a discussion forward.

People said Blackman was rubbish when he was rubbish. Doesn't mean they were wrong then just because he has now turned it around and is performing quite brilliantly.

Piazon had some nice touches and put in a good cross for the goal. In an ideal world I'd want him to do more - play it fast so he doesn't get caught in possession would be the main thing.

[CountryRoyal]

No one is saying Piazon is useless.

Discussing players is kind of what a football discussion forum is for. It should be possible to have a differing opinion about a player's relative merits or contribution. It doesn't mean we especially enjoy observing weaknesses in player. And sarcastic gifs don't really move a discussion forward.

[maffff]

Wasn't it Piazon who brilliantly (i.e. clattered in) won a ball in our box or just outside, and roared upfield

around the 80-minute mark?

It's true that he isn't a brick back-toilet. Maybe we should replace him with Alex Pearce?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v383IqbZXb0 you were saying...

[Stabilo Boss]

I was at the game and enjoyed it rather a lot.

Agree with some things said about Piazon, he did lose the ball a few times and fell over a couple but I like this sort of player as he does have something and will produce. What was Oscar like when he first signed for Chelsea?

John was disappointing. Obita won't run or pass forward and was frankly frustrating me all game. Sa was good with some real determination nearly creating a goal. Blackman was awesome all over the pitch.

[Woodcote Royal]

As silly as those people who used to criticise Blackman!

No. People used to criticise Blackman because he was crap and didn't work hard. Simple as that. Just because he's come good now doesn't mean they were wrong to criticise him before. He wasn't getting into the team for a reason.

Piazon for me, is not good enough for this team right now. That is my opinion, and it seems is the same for a lot of others as well. One good cross does not justify his place in the team for me. I've never even mentioned his physical ability, just that he slows down play and wants too much time on the ball, as well as wasting possession.

+1

[marlowuk]

Obita : 6 still gives away the ball to easily but never looked threatened

+1 for both these comments.
Were discussing Obita's poor distribution prior to the game, so were watching this closely at the game..... Even his throw-ins are a lottery, more often than not simply launched into an area.

To be fair, both Gunter and Obita must be tearing their hair out at the lack of support they get from their throw-ins. Too often no Reading player moves close enough to give them an option (Williams and Tish are the exceptions) and it has been like this for several years now. We don't challenge our opponents' throw-ins and we don't support our own. I can't understand it!!

[Ian Royal]

He's light weight, but up that end of the pitch if you have the skill to play the passes he does that doesn't really matter that much. He'll learn how to hold off defenders/draw fouls with games.

Yeah, he just needs to play it simple more often and aooner when he decides to.

Showed good strength to win the ball and break late on.

It's just he's too much luxury to play as part of an attacking four. He should be one of the attacking three with a proper midfielder behind him.

[paddy20]

8 weeks from now or8 weeks from the injury so back in 4 weeks ?

Pretty sure he meant from now

[wingnut]

Obita : 6 still gives away the ball to easily but never looked threatened

+1 for both these comments.
Were discussing Obita's poor distribution prior to the game, so were watching this closely at the game..... Even his throw-ins are a lottery, more often than not simply launched into an area.

To be fair, both Gunter and Obita must be tearing their hair out at the lack of support they get from their throw-ins. Too often no Reading player moves close enough to give them an option (Williams and Tish are the exceptions) and it has been like this for several years now. We don't challenge our opponents' throw-ins and we don't support our own. I can't understand it!!

A big muthafukkin +1. Drives me mad.

[melonhead]

:lol: @ those slagging off Piazon

I couldn't give a fcuk if he isn't physical or imposing enough. He got the assisted the goal didn't he?

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but also achieved a grand total of oxf*rd all else in the entire game.
I think its fine to be balanced about it

[melonhead]

:lol: @ those slagging off Piazon

I couldn't give a fcuk if he isn't physical or imposing enough. He got the assisted the goal didn't he?

Sounds like everybody on here wants a team of 11 Paul McShane's - I wonder how many games we'd win if that was the case.

Big plus one from me!

I thought he has the makings of a hell of a player. Ok so he has lots to learn about the English game but given time he will be a star, he has the touch and ability without a doubt. I am not sure if it is because he seems to have the balance of a class player but I think he will massively come good, too good to stay with us for the long term unfortunately.

are you assessing his touch and ability in some other game?

[melonhead]

Oh sit down.

I'm quite obviously not the only one who thought he was poor. I'm sure he will come good in the future, Chelsea wouldn't have paid as much as they did for him if he wasn't any good, I just think we have better options and to me, he was quite clearly the weak link in the team on Saturday. We have better options, and I don't think we should be using Chelsea's youngsters at the expense of our own which is what we seemed to do on occasion with Chalobah last season.

for 3/4 of the game it was like we had 9 players with him and john playing,
testament to the rest that they managed to grab a win