Huntley & Palmer This season needs to end quickly and McD needs to go. We have not moved forwards at all since his arrival and I can't see that situation changing if he remains in charge.
Hark at chicken licken over here
by Maneki Neko » 14 Feb 2016 11:10
Huntley & Palmer This season needs to end quickly and McD needs to go. We have not moved forwards at all since his arrival and I can't see that situation changing if he remains in charge.
by Ian Royal » 14 Feb 2016 11:32
by Longhorn1970 » 14 Feb 2016 19:37
Ian RoyalLonghorn1970Ian Royal Shame Clarke didn't. 1 win in 8 with a previously well performing squad that's all yours speaks for itself.
And we've improved how ?
You've been told a dozen times already.
by Nameless » 15 Feb 2016 09:59
Ian Royal Shame Clarke didn't. 1 win in 8 with a previously well performing squad that's all yours speaks for itself.
by MR. CYNICAL » 15 Feb 2016 11:01
genomestealthpapes Even League only form for the last 6 W1 D3 L2 isn't as desperate as some are making out. League form in total is W2 D3 L4, which given the complete collapse in form from some period that encompasses the Fulham swing and Clarke looking at their job, isn't dire. It's not great, but its *enough*.
Whatever happened with Clarke happened. It had deep and long term effects on the morale of the club and that's what we're suffering from and sorting through at the moment.
I don't really get the "league only" thing - it seems an easy way out for people to have a dig at the side. You can't just disregard the cup games... two of them were against a Championship side no less.
by Snowball136 » 15 Feb 2016 11:55
by Coppelled_Streets » 15 Feb 2016 12:12
Huntley & Palmer This season needs to end quickly and McD needs to go. We have not moved forwards at all since his arrival and I can't see that situation changing if he remains in charge.
by CountryRoyal » 15 Feb 2016 12:31
by Top Flight » 15 Feb 2016 14:43
by RoyalJames101 » 15 Feb 2016 15:08
CountryRoyal I think McD could have or perhaps should have gotten more out of the squad thus far, such is the quality in it.
The players are weak mentally and most of them need to go. Sacking McDermott at the end of the season would be extremely short sighted, not least because I doubt we could attract anyone better as the club currently stands.
by Top Flight » 15 Feb 2016 15:25
RoyalJames101CountryRoyal I think McD could have or perhaps should have gotten more out of the squad thus far, such is the quality in it.
The players are weak mentally and most of them need to go. Sacking McDermott at the end of the season would be extremely short sighted, not least because I doubt we could attract anyone better as the club currently stands.
Not a personal dig as I've seen many people say this but I don't get this argument at all. What quality?
Gunter, Norwood, Williams, McCleary, HRK & Obita are all set to finish in the bottom half of the table for a second year running. John and Piazon are massively over hyped because the play for Benfica/Chelsea. Fernandez is apparently the best player in the squad purely because he tweets about the club a lot.
No one in the squad, bar Vydra and Kermorgant have actually achieved anything in their career to be define them as 'quality'.
by Hoop Blah » 15 Feb 2016 15:47
Top Flight We're actually very lucky to have a manager of McDermott's track record and quality.
He is a good manager and we're fortunate to have him.
by Hoop Blah » 15 Feb 2016 15:50
Top FlightRoyalJames101
Not a personal dig as I've seen many people say this but I don't get this argument at all. What quality?
Gunter, Norwood, Williams, McCleary, HRK & Obita are all set to finish in the bottom half of the table for a second year running. John and Piazon are massively over hyped because the play for Benfica/Chelsea. Fernandez is apparently the best player in the squad purely because he tweets about the club a lot.
No one in the squad, bar Vydra and Kermorgant have actually achieved anything in their career to be define them as 'quality'.
I have to agree with you Royal James. Our squad just does not possess the quality that people seem to think.
Maybe we do have good players. But so do so many teams in the Championship. We have a good striker in Vydra but Sheffield Wednesday have Hooper. Boro have Rhodes. Derby have Martin. Huddersfield have Wells. There are good players all over the Championship. Go through our team one by one and you can probably find 10 Championship players in each position who is better than our boys.
by RoyalJames101 » 15 Feb 2016 15:54
Hoop BlahTop FlightRoyalJames101
Not a personal dig as I've seen many people say this but I don't get this argument at all. What quality?
Gunter, Norwood, Williams, McCleary, HRK & Obita are all set to finish in the bottom half of the table for a second year running. John and Piazon are massively over hyped because the play for Benfica/Chelsea. Fernandez is apparently the best player in the squad purely because he tweets about the club a lot.
No one in the squad, bar Vydra and Kermorgant have actually achieved anything in their career to be define them as 'quality'.
I have to agree with you Royal James. Our squad just does not possess the quality that people seem to think.
Maybe we do have good players. But so do so many teams in the Championship. We have a good striker in Vydra but Sheffield Wednesday have Hooper. Boro have Rhodes. Derby have Martin. Huddersfield have Wells. There are good players all over the Championship. Go through our team one by one and you can probably find 10 Championship players in each position who is better than our boys.
Our individual players are more than good enough for this level. They are the outstanding squad that some portray them to be no, but they are a squad with a decent amount of relative quality.
Do those players make a well balanced squad? That I'm not sure about to be honest.
Have our squad been well managed to get the most from them over the last couple of seasons? No, it seems pretty clear that isn't the case.
Why is that is the big question. Is it just poor management or is it a wider issue at the club that's holding us back?
by Dr_Hfuhruhurr » 15 Feb 2016 16:03
Maneki NekoHuntley & Palmer This season needs to end quickly and McD needs to go. We have not moved forwards at all since his arrival and I can't see that situation changing if he remains in charge.
Hark at chicken licken over here
by Hoop Blah » 15 Feb 2016 16:04
by Maneki Neko » 15 Feb 2016 16:39
Hoop BlahTop FlightRoyalJames101
Not a personal dig as I've seen many people say this but I don't get this argument at all. What quality?
Gunter, Norwood, Williams, McCleary, HRK & Obita are all set to finish in the bottom half of the table for a second year running. John and Piazon are massively over hyped because the play for Benfica/Chelsea. Fernandez is apparently the best player in the squad purely because he tweets about the club a lot.
No one in the squad, bar Vydra and Kermorgant have actually achieved anything in their career to be define them as 'quality'.
I have to agree with you Royal James. Our squad just does not possess the quality that people seem to think.
Maybe we do have good players. But so do so many teams in the Championship. We have a good striker in Vydra but Sheffield Wednesday have Hooper. Boro have Rhodes. Derby have Martin. Huddersfield have Wells. There are good players all over the Championship. Go through our team one by one and you can probably find 10 Championship players in each position who is better than our boys.
Our individual players are more than good enough for this level. They are the outstanding squad that some portray them to be no, but they are a squad with a decent amount of relative quality.
Do those players make a well balanced squad? That I'm not sure about to be honest.
Have our squad been well managed to get the most from them over the last couple of seasons? No, it seems pretty clear that isn't the case.
Why is that is the big question. Is it just poor management or is it a wider issue at the club that's holding us back?
by Hoop Blah » 15 Feb 2016 16:46
Maneki Neko No strikers. No defensive midfielders. No full back cover. Too many loans, too many running contract down, selling our 2 leading goal scorers, and a team full of mentally weak, physically weak, and totally inconsistent no.10s and wingers.
About covers it
by Top Flight » 15 Feb 2016 16:49
Hoop BlahTop Flight We're actually very lucky to have a manager of McDermott's track record and quality.
He is a good manager and we're fortunate to have him.
McDermott has had limited success and achieved all of his success with, largely, a bunch of players who he knew inside out from his time at the club and many of whom had a great relationship with him because of that history.
Unfortunately there isn't a lot of evidence to suggest he can recreate that with another group of players that he doesn't share that history with.
I hope he does, obviously, but he hasn't got this great managerial record some seem to suggest.
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