HMRC Winding up petition/order

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by Snowflake Royal » 27 Jun 2023 12:15

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tmesis In reality, it's very rare for a winding up order to be carried out on a football club. This appears to be our fourth, and we never even heard about the other three.


Maybe they're not so rare and you just don't hear about them?

HMRC throw them at clubs straight away because they're fed up of being stiffed on tax.

Most clubs who've gone into administration get them.

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by Dirk Gently » 27 Jun 2023 12:27

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tmesis In reality, it's very rare for a winding up order to be carried out on a football club. This appears to be our fourth, and we never even heard about the other three.


Maybe they're not so rare and you just don't hear about them?

HMRC throw them at clubs straight away because they're fed up of being stiffed on tax.

Most clubs who've gone into administration get them.


They started doing them because of the Football Creditors Rule, which said that football debts got higher priority than all other debts, including tax debts - and existed to allow football to function they way it does (without it there'd be no transfers or away tickets sold).

But this screwed over HMRC (and lots of small creditors in the case of Pompey) so as a reaction HMRC instigated a policy of not negotiating or bargaining with football clubs - they just go straight to Winding Up Petitions.

As taxpayers, we should applaud them.

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by Snowflake Royal » 27 Jun 2023 12:39

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Maybe they're not so rare and you just don't hear about them?

HMRC throw them at clubs straight away because they're fed up of being stiffed on tax.

Most clubs who've gone into administration get them.


They started doing them because of the Football Creditors Rule, which said that football debts got higher priority than all other debts, including tax debts - and existed to allow football to function they way it does (without it there'd be no transfers or away tickets sold).

But this screwed over HMRC (and lots of small creditors in the case of Pompey) so as a reaction HMRC instigated a policy of not negotiating or bargaining with football clubs - they just go straight to Winding Up Petitions.

As taxpayers, we should applaud them.

Oh, I do!

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by Hound » 27 Jun 2023 12:45

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Royal_jimmy The fact this is being discussed over social media shows

1) the club are a disgrace not quashing the speculation if it's not true and continuing to mug off the fans who have bought season tickets.

2) there's truth in it and we are deep in the brown stuff

Absolutely standard practice to not comment on ongoing legal matters.

I wish people would shut up about statements. We got one from Bowen at the end of the season. We got one from the useless CEO about 2 weeks ago. They say nothing interesting. People complain about what is said, what isn't said. And within days want another one because there's a new twitter rumour.

Get over the social media instant gratification herd and realise you don’t have any right or reasonable expectation of hearing what's going on at the club 24/7. You're a customer, not the majority shareholder.


We have until 29th June to answer the EFL charges and, as you say, they're not going to make a public statement regarding ongoing legal matters beyond what they've already said.


Yeah this basically

I guess we’ll find out one way or another if all the outstanding payments have been met and what sanctions the EFL will decide for us by the end of the week

Actually we prob won’t considering both us and then are utterly useless but we should get some idea at least

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by Lower West » 27 Jun 2023 13:20

Snowflake Royal HMRC throw them at clubs straight away because they're fed up of being stiffed on tax.



Last resort when all other channels have been exhausted. Financial distress often extends to non payment of other creditors. The ladies going part time was so obviously an axe job. No alternative but to cut down on cash outflow. Skiing downhill fast. Years to build and minutes to destroy.


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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by genome » 27 Jun 2023 14:23

Nowhere to be seen on the BBC Sport football page. No-one gives a fcuk, do they?

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by Hound » 27 Jun 2023 14:30

genome Nowhere to be seen on the BBC Sport football page. No-one gives a fcuk, do they?


Not that interesting to anyone else though - yet at least

If Dai has/will just pay up then it’s disappearing again

Obvs if he doesn’t and they start further proceedings then it might start making the main pages

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by windermereROYAL » 27 Jun 2023 14:31

It`s either been paid already or it will be. but with the deadline for ST renewals this Friday fans would like some reassurances.


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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by katweslowski » 27 Jun 2023 14:37

The depressing thing is about this (well, one of them) is that if Reading FC were to get into even more trouble and go out of business, it would probably get a 2-3 minute mention on Sky Sports News, probably after the latest rumour around Manchester City.

It sums up football really, both the journalistic material and the way the game works now.

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by glenroyal » 27 Jun 2023 14:53

genome Nowhere to be seen on the BBC Sport football page. No-one gives a fcuk, do they?


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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by genome » 27 Jun 2023 15:16

Not the BBC Football front page Glen, but thanks for your reply.

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 27 Jun 2023 15:32

katweslowski The depressing thing is about this (well, one of them) is that if Reading FC were to get into even more trouble and go out of business, it would probably get a 2-3 minute mention on Sky Sports News, probably after the latest rumour around Manchester City.

It sums up football really, both the journalistic material and the way the game works now.


I don't really think that's fair, there was an awful lot of attention around Bury (and Bolton) at the time and, even now, you see Bury and their phoenix clubs mentioned in the news (maybe not national news but certainly regional or less popular news).

If the worst was to be the worst and we were to run into more trouble, we'd likely be one of the main news articles on the BBC (and other more popular news outlets) for a while, similar to Derby from a couple of years ago. Obviously we don't exactly want to be in the news for these reasons though, it's hardly a popularity contest.


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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by On Strings » 27 Jun 2023 15:55

Wonder if the staff got paid this month. I saw that was due a day or two ago.

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by tidus_mi2 » 27 Jun 2023 16:08

katweslowski The depressing thing is about this (well, one of them) is that if Reading FC were to get into even more trouble and go out of business, it would probably get a 2-3 minute mention on Sky Sports News, probably after the latest rumour around Manchester City.

It sums up football really, both the journalistic material and the way the game works now.

If we get a deadline to being liquidated, Sky Sports will be all over that, they'll have a big timer and everything.

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by tmesis » 27 Jun 2023 17:03

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katweslowski The depressing thing is about this (well, one of them) is that if Reading FC were to get into even more trouble and go out of business, it would probably get a 2-3 minute mention on Sky Sports News, probably after the latest rumour around Manchester City.

It sums up football really, both the journalistic material and the way the game works now.

If we get a deadline to being liquidated, Sky Sports will be all over that, they'll have a big timer and everything.

Nah. If we got liquidated, it'd be on the news ticker as the 4th item behind some Chelsea transfer speculation, an injury for Mo Salah, and a comment by Arsene Wenger about the current Arsenal team.

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by The Green Programme » 27 Jun 2023 17:32

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Maybe they're not so rare and you just don't hear about them?

HMRC throw them at clubs straight away because they're fed up of being stiffed on tax.

Most clubs who've gone into administration get them.


They started doing them because of the Football Creditors Rule, which said that football debts got higher priority than all other debts, including tax debts - and existed to allow football to function they way it does (without it there'd be no transfers or away tickets sold).

But this screwed over HMRC (and lots of small creditors in the case of Pompey) so as a reaction HMRC instigated a policy of not negotiating or bargaining with football clubs - they just go straight to Winding Up Petitions.

As taxpayers, we should applaud them.


Absolutely..perhaps we should all stand outside our front doors every evening and applaud together

(And report on those unspeakable heretics who choose not to join in)

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by royalstevep68 » 27 Jun 2023 19:08

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Maybe they're not so rare and you just don't hear about them?

HMRC throw them at clubs straight away because they're fed up of being stiffed on tax.

Most clubs who've gone into administration get them.


They started doing them because of the Football Creditors Rule, which said that football debts got higher priority than all other debts, including tax debts - and existed to allow football to function they way it does (without it there'd be no transfers or away tickets sold).

But this screwed over HMRC (and lots of small creditors in the case of Pompey) so as a reaction HMRC instigated a policy of not negotiating or bargaining with football clubs - they just go straight to Winding Up Petitions.

As taxpayers, we should applaud them.


Applaud the hmrc. Are you having a laugh. Run by a bunch of clueless out of touch insensitive imbeciles. Introduced the mess called ir35, and during a pandemic. Ridiculous.

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by royalstevep68 » 27 Jun 2023 19:14

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Snowflake Royal HMRC throw them at clubs straight away because they're fed up of being stiffed on tax.

Most clubs who've gone into administration get them.


They started doing them because of the Football Creditors Rule, which said that football debts got higher priority than all other debts, including tax debts - and existed to allow football to function they way it does (without it there'd be no transfers or away tickets sold).

But this screwed over HMRC (and lots of small creditors in the case of Pompey) so as a reaction HMRC instigated a policy of not negotiating or bargaining with football clubs - they just go straight to Winding Up Petitions.

As taxpayers, we should applaud them.


Absolutely..perhaps we should all stand outside our front doors every evening and applaud together

(And report on those unspeakable heretics who choose not to join in)


No, report those absolute gimps who embarrassingly clapped like a bunch of sheep. Cringeworthy. And I’ll bet not one of them genuine and just did it for their 5 seconds of fame on tv.

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Re: HMRC Winding up petition/order

by Sutekh » 27 Jun 2023 21:37

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katweslowski The depressing thing is about this (well, one of them) is that if Reading FC were to get into even more trouble and go out of business, it would probably get a 2-3 minute mention on Sky Sports News, probably after the latest rumour around Manchester City.

It sums up football really, both the journalistic material and the way the game works now.


I don't really think that's fair, there was an awful lot of attention around Bury (and Bolton) at the time and, even now, you see Bury and their phoenix clubs mentioned in the news (maybe not national news but certainly regional or less popular news).

If the worst was to be the worst and we were to run into more trouble, we'd likely be one of the main news articles on the BBC (and other more popular news outlets) for a while, similar to Derby from a couple of years ago. Obviously we don't exactly want to be in the news for these reasons though, it's hardly a popularity contest.


Bury only got mentions as Bolton were up the same creek at the same time.

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