#SellBeforeWeDai Action/Inaction Group

[Winston Biscuit]

A quick look at X, formally known as twitter, shows a handful of fan groups promoting this 16th minute clap, and the responses from their own fans are almost universally laughter, stating they will obviously not do it, and then conversations starting up about things we have done in the past etc as to why they would not support a club like ours

I have no idea who's idea this was but its massively misguided and shows a total lack of awareness and understanding IMO.

Twitter, rather like radio phone-ins, tends to be dominated by people with an axe to grind, and isn't really representative of the true picture.

That said, I can't imagine many, perhaps beyond those where the real risk of their club dying is a recent memory, will care too much about us. To most we are probably just seen as moaning about an owner refusing to spend.

I get the impression most other fans are already a bit sick of hearing about it tbh.

[RoyalBlue]

A quick look at X, formally known as twitter, shows a handful of fan groups promoting this 16th minute clap, and the responses from their own fans are almost universally laughter, stating they will obviously not do it, and then conversations starting up about things we have done in the past etc as to why they would not support a club like ours

I have no idea who's idea this was but its massively misguided and shows a total lack of awareness and understanding IMO.

It was other clubs and organisations like FSA not Sell Before We Dai. So personally I think the criticism is rather unfair.

[Winston Biscuit]

A quick look at X, formally known as twitter, shows a handful of fan groups promoting this 16th minute clap, and the responses from their own fans are almost universally laughter, stating they will obviously not do it, and then conversations starting up about things we have done in the past etc as to why they would not support a club like ours

I have no idea who's idea this was but its massively misguided and shows a total lack of awareness and understanding IMO.

It was other clubs and organisations like FSA not Sell Before We Dai. So personally I think the criticism is rather unfair.

my criticism isn't about who started it. Its the campaign itself. Will only do more harm than good.

[Snowflake Royal]

That complete charlatan Alex Crook reporting that Sam Smith could be off very soon.

Not familiar with his reporting record. Anyhow, will give a good indication of how serious Dai is about selling the club.

How much more can you get selling a L1 club over a L2 club? That's how much Sam Smith is worth to him. Sell him for peanuts and it's a sign that once again statements are lip service only.

It's a range obviously, but £5m difference is a pretty reasonable estimate from what I've seen.

[Vision]

As recently as this week the EFL have recognised Reading's transparency about the finances. That suggests to me the club have been meeting their reporting obligations.

If, in year two of the three year period over which losses can be spread, the reporting suggests the club will struggle to reign in the losses in year three, there's notthing the EFL can do to force the club to make better decisions.

Yep. For a number of years the club was blowing money away and doing so transparently! The EFL then informed them they had broken the rules. Reading did everything in knowledge of the rules.

Here's the thing though, we could've just survived post Gourlay.

We were on a soft embargo on Gomes' summer because we were struggling under FFP so we couldn't afford Oliveira's requested wages even though he was available on a free. We wanted to offload McCleary, Gunter & Baldock to free up substantial wages but it never happened and so we hadn't added to the squad that finished the season and the loanees who saved us from relegation had all gone back. . When we went on that pre season tour only Virginia (LOL) had been added I think. The 3 amigos were even asked to join but only Baldock agreed. We subsequently added Morrison during the tour and possibly Charlie Adam around the same time.

Then Dai does a deal with the stadium as a work around but instead of using the money to offset the previous follies he goes all in on Puscas, Joao, Ejaria plus expensive loans (Boye,Miazga) etc for HIS Premier League dream.

TLDR: We had a chance to right this ship but all he ever wanted was to be a Premier League owner so oxf*rd it up.

[maffff]

Today has seen the launch of a new Twitter account: @Propaganda1871

Please see below comment on the account:

This account is set-up with the goal of getting Chinese govt, state media, Chinese overseas communities, and a very engaged China Watcher community on Twitter aware of Reading FC’s problems with Dai Yongge.

The account will engage with #SellBeforeWeDai messaging on Twitter. It will also be tagging relevant accounts to increase visibility (EFL, EFL Comms, The FA, Premier League, UEFA, FIFA, UK MPs, PRC govt twitter accounts as well as state media and other relevant accounts). Please do feel free to take content from this account and share it widely across socials - the wider it goes, the more likely it will be seen.

Content will be drafted, aimed at embarrassing Dai, alluding to CCP/PRC policies. We’re also doctoring propaganda posters to feature Dai.

The ultimate goal here is to get people talking about Reading FC, and to see the issue on Chinese social media (Weibo, Weixin) and to be discussed in prominent media channels in the UK.

The aim is for this to be done in a way that gives Reading FC fans something to smile about, and have a bit of fun with! We also really need everyone’s help.

Follow the account, turn on notifications for all posts, and like RT, comment, Quote Tweet. Any way you can get this out and about.

All we ask is that we keep in mind that our target here is Dai – not China or Chinese people, so please try to avoid any comments that could be interpreted as discriminatory or offensive to people form China/of Chinese heritage. If in doubt, try to post in a different way.

Finally, its important to point out that once there is critical mass of people and a spotlight on this aspect, then the intention is to up the ante (denials of more scandal and controversy involving Dai that we’re monitoring in Chinese media/Chinese sources).

The team behind this account will remain anonymous, at least until Reading FC get the news we are all so desperately after, that Dai has sold the club.

We hope you enjoy this account as much we’re going to enjoy running it.

[Brogue]

[Sutekh]

Today has seen the launch of a new Twitter account: @Propaganda1871

Please see below comment on the account:

This account is set-up with the goal of getting Chinese govt, state media, Chinese overseas communities, and a very engaged China Watcher community on Twitter aware of Reading FC’s problems with Dai Yongge.

The account will engage with #SellBeforeWeDai messaging on Twitter. It will also be tagging relevant accounts to increase visibility (EFL, EFL Comms, The FA, Premier League, UEFA, FIFA, UK MPs, PRC govt twitter accounts as well as state media and other relevant accounts). Please do feel free to take content from this account and share it widely across socials - the wider it goes, the more likely it will be seen.

Content will be drafted, aimed at embarrassing Dai, alluding to CCP/PRC policies. We’re also doctoring propaganda posters to feature Dai.

The ultimate goal here is to get people talking about Reading FC, and to see the issue on Chinese social media (Weibo, Weixin) and to be discussed in prominent media channels in the UK.

The aim is for this to be done in a way that gives Reading FC fans something to smile about, and have a bit of fun with! We also really need everyone’s help.

Follow the account, turn on notifications for all posts, and like RT, comment, Quote Tweet. Any way you can get this out and about.

All we ask is that we keep in mind that our target here is Dai – not China or Chinese people, so please try to avoid any comments that could be interpreted as discriminatory or offensive to people form China/of Chinese heritage. If in doubt, try to post in a different way.

Finally, its important to point out that once there is critical mass of people and a spotlight on this aspect, then the intention is to up the ante (denials of more scandal and controversy involving Dai that we’re monitoring in Chinese media/Chinese sources).

The team behind this account will remain anonymous, at least until Reading FC get the news we are all so desperately after, that Dai has sold the club.

We hope you enjoy this account as much we’re going to enjoy running it.

Hope he hasn't got any powerful friends....

[tmesis]

All we ask is that we keep in mind that our target here is Dai – not China or Chinese people, so please try to avoid any comments that could be interpreted as discriminatory or offensive to people form China/of Chinese heritage. If in doubt, try to post in a different way.

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[Clyde1998]

Hi Clyde.
Don't post often these days but just wanted to say how much I enjoy your posts. Very balanced. Admiral effort on the Port Vale forum to explain.

Thank you. I do try to view people's points from their perspective and attempt to give complete responses in order to adequately answer any points and questions I respond to. In general, I've found that if you act in good faith towards people, they'll act in good faith back - even if they don't agree with your point.

Sadly, a large percentage of internet interactions, especially somewhere like Twitter, are just people 'shouting' at each other; you can't have a serious discussion about anything in that environment.

The Port Vale fans on their forum were mostly sympathetic, but didn't realise the extent or complete context of the situation. The wider footballing community seem to have taken notice, and are growing in understanding, of our situation.

[tmesis]

Derby fans seem to be very vocal in their dislike of Reading, which could make next week interesting.

Portsmouth too, where somehow singing "pay up, Pompey" means we wanted them to go bust, rather than a comment on them avoiding debts by going into administration.

In truth, if Derby sing songs about us going bust, it's not going to make it onto the top 10 of things I'm bothered about that day.

[Clyde1998]

A quick look at X, formally known as twitter, shows a handful of fan groups promoting this 16th minute clap, and the responses from their own fans are almost universally laughter, stating they will obviously not do it, and then conversations starting up about things we have done in the past etc as to why they would not support a club like ours

I have no idea who's idea this was but its massively misguided and shows a total lack of awareness and understanding IMO.

Twitter, rather like radio phone-ins, tends to be dominated by people with an axe to grind, and isn't really representative of the true picture.

That said, I can't imagine many, perhaps beyond those where the real risk of their club dying is a recent memory, will care too much about us. To most we are probably just seen as moaning about an owner refusing to spend.

Twitter isn't very representative of general society at all. In 2021, it was estimated that Twitter sees about 97% of tweets produced by 25% of its users (figures for the US), whilst only about a quarter of (UK) adults use Twitter at least multiple times a week ('use' is subjective, as it could mean anything from viewing posts to posting themselves). It's likely less than 10% of people in the UK make up over 95% of tweets made in the UK.

[windermereROYAL]

Derby fans seem to be very vocal in their dislike of Reading, which could make next week interesting.

Portsmouth too, where somehow singing "pay up, Pompey" means we wanted them to go bust, rather than a comment on them avoiding debts by going into administration.

In truth, if Derby sing songs about us going bust, it's not going to make it onto the top 10 of things I'm bothered about that day.

Yes, I`ve seen this this on multiple occasions since it emerged we were in the shit.
Of course we were the one and only team where possibly less than 10% of the entire fan base gave them a hard time, but lets punish a 100% because of that.
Mostly clueless kids on X anyway, best to ignore them however annoying it is.

[blythspartan]

According to the presser The team can stay in a hotel for the Wigan game, the fee for TM won’t be going to Dai and we’re speaking to the EFL about incomings (this shocks me).

It sounds like we’re in talks with 2 to 4 interested parties to take over the club and it might be a partial sell (i.e., Dai keeps the training ground).

[blythspartan]

TH not TM

[WestYorksRoyal]

According to the presser The team can stay in a hotel for the Wigan game, the fee for TM won’t be going to Dai and we’re speaking to the EFL about incomings (this shocks me).

It sounds like we’re in talks with 2 to 4 interested parties to take over the club and it might be a partial sell (i.e., Dai keeps the training ground).

Let's wait and see. Bowen is in an impossible place on communication. When he's quiet, we all ask where he is. But when he speaks, he can only go off what Pang tells him, who we know is full of shit. I don't doubt the sincerity of his comments today, but that doesn't mean I believe them. Though the hotel is probably true; imagine the farce if they turn up at the Wigan Premier Inn to find Dai put the money on red.

[Pepe the Horseman]

Today has seen the launch of a new Twitter account: @Propaganda1871

Please see below comment on the account:

This account is set-up with the goal of getting Chinese govt, state media, Chinese overseas communities, and a very engaged China Watcher community on Twitter aware of Reading FC’s problems with Dai Yongge.

The account will engage with #SellBeforeWeDai messaging on Twitter. It will also be tagging relevant accounts to increase visibility (EFL, EFL Comms, The FA, Premier League, UEFA, FIFA, UK MPs, PRC govt twitter accounts as well as state media and other relevant accounts). Please do feel free to take content from this account and share it widely across socials - the wider it goes, the more likely it will be seen.

Content will be drafted, aimed at embarrassing Dai, alluding to CCP/PRC policies. We’re also doctoring propaganda posters to feature Dai.

The ultimate goal here is to get people talking about Reading FC, and to see the issue on Chinese social media (Weibo, Weixin) and to be discussed in prominent media channels in the UK.

The aim is for this to be done in a way that gives Reading FC fans something to smile about, and have a bit of fun with! We also really need everyone’s help.

Follow the account, turn on notifications for all posts, and like RT, comment, Quote Tweet. Any way you can get this out and about.

All we ask is that we keep in mind that our target here is Dai – not China or Chinese people, so please try to avoid any comments that could be interpreted as discriminatory or offensive to people form China/of Chinese heritage. If in doubt, try to post in a different way.

Finally, its important to point out that once there is critical mass of people and a spotlight on this aspect, then the intention is to up the ante (denials of more scandal and controversy involving Dai that we’re monitoring in Chinese media/Chinese sources).

The team behind this account will remain anonymous, at least until Reading FC get the news we are all so desperately after, that Dai has sold the club.

We hope you enjoy this account as much we’re going to enjoy running it.

Is that account not offensive in itself? It comes across as a Chinese pisstake, but maybe I just don't get it.

[Stranded]

Today has seen the launch of a new Twitter account: @Propaganda1871

Please see below comment on the account:

This account is set-up with the goal of getting Chinese govt, state media, Chinese overseas communities, and a very engaged China Watcher community on Twitter aware of Reading FC’s problems with Dai Yongge.

The account will engage with #SellBeforeWeDai messaging on Twitter. It will also be tagging relevant accounts to increase visibility (EFL, EFL Comms, The FA, Premier League, UEFA, FIFA, UK MPs, PRC govt twitter accounts as well as state media and other relevant accounts). Please do feel free to take content from this account and share it widely across socials - the wider it goes, the more likely it will be seen.

Content will be drafted, aimed at embarrassing Dai, alluding to CCP/PRC policies. We’re also doctoring propaganda posters to feature Dai.

The ultimate goal here is to get people talking about Reading FC, and to see the issue on Chinese social media (Weibo, Weixin) and to be discussed in prominent media channels in the UK.

The aim is for this to be done in a way that gives Reading FC fans something to smile about, and have a bit of fun with! We also really need everyone’s help.

Follow the account, turn on notifications for all posts, and like RT, comment, Quote Tweet. Any way you can get this out and about.

All we ask is that we keep in mind that our target here is Dai – not China or Chinese people, so please try to avoid any comments that could be interpreted as discriminatory or offensive to people form China/of Chinese heritage. If in doubt, try to post in a different way.

Finally, its important to point out that once there is critical mass of people and a spotlight on this aspect, then the intention is to up the ante (denials of more scandal and controversy involving Dai that we’re monitoring in Chinese media/Chinese sources).

The team behind this account will remain anonymous, at least until Reading FC get the news we are all so desperately after, that Dai has sold the club.

We hope you enjoy this account as much we’re going to enjoy running it.

Is that account not offensive in itself? It comes across as a Chinese pisstake, but maybe I just don't get it.

Yeah must admit that I honestly thought it was a fan of another club taking the piss to revel in our shit a bit.

Get the idea now, like the thought process behind it but it may offend the wrong people, which may also have the wanted effect. Internet is weird like that.

[blythspartan]

I see that the crowd funding for this has now reached almost £10.5k in just a few days. Not that we’d want to give money to Dai but I do wonder what sort of amount the fans could raise to buy the club, especially if the local businesses were on board.

[blythspartan]

Today has seen the launch of a new Twitter account: @Propaganda1871

Please see below comment on the account:

This account is set-up with the goal of getting Chinese govt, state media, Chinese overseas communities, and a very engaged China Watcher community on Twitter aware of Reading FC’s problems with Dai Yongge.

The account will engage with #SellBeforeWeDai messaging on Twitter. It will also be tagging relevant accounts to increase visibility (EFL, EFL Comms, The FA, Premier League, UEFA, FIFA, UK MPs, PRC govt twitter accounts as well as state media and other relevant accounts). Please do feel free to take content from this account and share it widely across socials - the wider it goes, the more likely it will be seen.

Content will be drafted, aimed at embarrassing Dai, alluding to CCP/PRC policies. We’re also doctoring propaganda posters to feature Dai.

The ultimate goal here is to get people talking about Reading FC, and to see the issue on Chinese social media (Weibo, Weixin) and to be discussed in prominent media channels in the UK.

The aim is for this to be done in a way that gives Reading FC fans something to smile about, and have a bit of fun with! We also really need everyone’s help.

Follow the account, turn on notifications for all posts, and like RT, comment, Quote Tweet. Any way you can get this out and about.

All we ask is that we keep in mind that our target here is Dai – not China or Chinese people, so please try to avoid any comments that could be interpreted as discriminatory or offensive to people form China/of Chinese heritage. If in doubt, try to post in a different way.

Finally, its important to point out that once there is critical mass of people and a spotlight on this aspect, then the intention is to up the ante (denials of more scandal and controversy involving Dai that we’re monitoring in Chinese media/Chinese sources).

The team behind this account will remain anonymous, at least until Reading FC get the news we are all so desperately after, that Dai has sold the club.

We hope you enjoy this account as much we’re going to enjoy running it.

Is that account not offensive in itself? It comes across as a Chinese pisstake, but maybe I just don't get it.

Yeah, I don’t get it either, but that’s probably down to my age.