Opposition fans back from the game - 24/25 page 225 onwards

[Pepe the Horseman]

The Wrexham forum is brilliant! So much so they’ve opened a second thread to complain about how they need to sack everyone and fold the club.

Shouldn’t have to mention they’re in THIRD only by goal difference!

Well, that's our season over and done with.

Night lads.

That's me done.

I wonder if the ref will get together with the Reading players to celebrate the hard fought victory against Wrexham.

The only change that I would like to see on the bench is the manager. Grateful for his service but his tactics are dire.

Got to say that was totally EMBARRASSING. League 1 it is next season

Enough is enough in terms of this brand of football.

If you can’t adapt then get out.

I wonder how many of them were going every week before Hollywood took over. Any Wrexham fan with a memory > 5 years would not be moaning about having to settle for L1 play offs. Plus they're still well in the race for 2nd.

Kind of like Reading fans moaning about our manager and style of play, despite being unbeaten in 9 (nine) games and still having a decent shot at the playoffs, after losing our top scorer, while dealing with a shitshow behind the scenes and a wafer thin squad.

[Hound]

If we did make the play offs , you’d certainly fancy our chances against them. Thought they were poor even when they beat us 3-0 and they were desperate last night. One of the worst sides I’ve seen this season

[From Despair To Where?]

To be fair, a few did say we played them off the park.

Parky not a popular guy, it seems. Maybe harsh in the context of where they are and where they've come from but a fair few think he's taken them as far as he can. A few comments echoing the criticisms of him raised at Bradford; hoofball, no plan B, unable to manage big personalities. A drawback of owners throwing money at the problem, I guess. Mullen, Fletcher, Rodrigues, Lee, Smith. Can't keep them all happy. Wonder if he brought his trap door to North Wales.

[Snowflake Royal]

The Wrexham forum is brilliant! So much so they’ve opened a second thread to complain about how they need to sack everyone and fold the club.

Shouldn’t have to mention they’re in THIRD only by goal difference!

I wonder how many of them were going every week before Hollywood took over. Any Wrexham fan with a memory > 5 years would not be moaning about having to settle for L1 play offs. Plus they're still well in the race for 2nd.

Kind of like Reading fans moaning about our manager and style of play, despite being unbeaten in 9 (nine) games and still having a decent shot at the playoffs, after losing our top scorer, while dealing with a shitshow behind the scenes and a wafer thin squad.

Yeah, those aren't newb glory hunters for us, and plenty of these ingrate welsh whingers will have been around for the long haul.

They were pissing the bed and calling for Parky's head last season when they had a poor patch and dropped out of automatics for a while.

Even if he genuinely has taken them as far as he can you don't react like this to being third in your first season back in L1.

Pcunts.

[leon]

The Wrexham forum is brilliant! So much so they’ve opened a second thread to complain about how they need to sack everyone and fold the club.

Shouldn’t have to mention they’re in THIRD only by goal difference!

I wonder how many of them were going every week before Hollywood took over. Any Wrexham fan with a memory > 5 years would not be moaning about having to settle for L1 play offs. Plus they're still well in the race for 2nd.

Kind of like Reading fans moaning about our manager and style of play, despite being unbeaten in 9 (nine) games and still having a decent shot at the playoffs, after losing our top scorer, while dealing with a shitshow behind the scenes and a wafer thin squad.

It isn't really Pepe. Wrexham fans seem to have genuinely got carried away and think L1 is just a formality, as next stop is the Championship and promotion to the Premier League.

That said, I'm sure there are a lot of decent types who support them. In fact jnr leon II and I were walking past one last night who was raving about how good our second goal was. And how we played them off the park. Which we did.

[WestYorksRoyal]

I wonder how many of them were going every week before Hollywood took over. Any Wrexham fan with a memory > 5 years would not be moaning about having to settle for L1 play offs. Plus they're still well in the race for 2nd.

Kind of like Reading fans moaning about our manager and style of play, despite being unbeaten in 9 (nine) games and still having a decent shot at the playoffs, after losing our top scorer, while dealing with a shitshow behind the scenes and a wafer thin squad.

It isn't really Pepe. Wrexham fans seem to have genuinely got carried away and think L1 is just a formality, as next stop is the Championship and promotion to the Premier League.

That said, I'm sure there are a lot of decent types who support them. In fact jnr leon II and I were walking past one last night who was raving about how good our second goal was. And how we played them off the park. Which we did.

They may well reach the PL, but they need to be realistic with timing. This is the same management team they appointed in the NL and a lot of the same players. They need a second big refresh to push on higher, and if this lot do get promoted this season they may find it's too soon and get hammered in the Championship.

[leon]

Kind of like Reading fans moaning about our manager and style of play, despite being unbeaten in 9 (nine) games and still having a decent shot at the playoffs, after losing our top scorer, while dealing with a shitshow behind the scenes and a wafer thin squad.

It isn't really Pepe. Wrexham fans seem to have genuinely got carried away and think L1 is just a formality, as next stop is the Championship and promotion to the Premier League.

That said, I'm sure there are a lot of decent types who support them. In fact jnr leon II and I were walking past one last night who was raving about how good our second goal was. And how we played them off the park. Which we did.

They may well reach the PL, but they need to be realistic with timing. This is the same management team they appointed in the NL and a lot of the same players. They need a second big refresh to push on higher, and if this lot do get promoted this season they may find it's too soon and get hammered in the Championship.

possibly? How Wrexham get repeated promotions doesnt interest me in the slightest. Their new breed of overly entitled fan does (but very marginally)

[From Despair To Where?]

Kind of like Reading fans moaning about our manager and style of play, despite being unbeaten in 9 (nine) games and still having a decent shot at the playoffs, after losing our top scorer, while dealing with a shitshow behind the scenes and a wafer thin squad.

It isn't really Pepe. Wrexham fans seem to have genuinely got carried away and think L1 is just a formality, as next stop is the Championship and promotion to the Premier League.

That said, I'm sure there are a lot of decent types who support them. In fact jnr leon II and I were walking past one last night who was raving about how good our second goal was. And how we played them off the park. Which we did.

They may well reach the PL, but they need to be realistic with timing. This is the same management team they appointed in the NL and a lot of the same players. They need a second big refresh to push on higher, and if this lot do get promoted this season they may find it's too soon and get hammered in the Championship.

And the big drawback is that the higher up the league you get, the more financial scrutiny there is. They won't be able to buy their way to success on crowds of 12,500.

[WestYorksRoyal]

It isn't really Pepe. Wrexham fans seem to have genuinely got carried away and think L1 is just a formality, as next stop is the Championship and promotion to the Premier League.

That said, I'm sure there are a lot of decent types who support them. In fact jnr leon II and I were walking past one last night who was raving about how good our second goal was. And how we played them off the park. Which we did.

They may well reach the PL, but they need to be realistic with timing. This is the same management team they appointed in the NL and a lot of the same players. They need a second big refresh to push on higher, and if this lot do get promoted this season they may find it's too soon and get hammered in the Championship.

And the big drawback is that the higher up the league you get, the more financial scrutiny there is. They won't be able to buy their way to success on crowds of 12,500.

Think their documentary makes a shit ton of money which would allow them to compete with bigger Championship clubs financially.

[Silver Fox]

It isn't really Pepe. Wrexham fans seem to have genuinely got carried away and think L1 is just a formality, as next stop is the Championship and promotion to the Premier League.

That said, I'm sure there are a lot of decent types who support them. In fact jnr leon II and I were walking past one last night who was raving about how good our second goal was. And how we played them off the park. Which we did.

They may well reach the PL, but they need to be realistic with timing. This is the same management team they appointed in the NL and a lot of the same players. They need a second big refresh to push on higher, and if this lot do get promoted this season they may find it's too soon and get hammered in the Championship.

And the big drawback is that the higher up the league you get, the more financial scrutiny there is. They won't be able to buy their way to success on crowds of 12,500.

*COUGH* Bournemouth *COUGH*

[From Despair To Where?]

They may well reach the PL, but they need to be realistic with timing. This is the same management team they appointed in the NL and a lot of the same players. They need a second big refresh to push on higher, and if this lot do get promoted this season they may find it's too soon and get hammered in the Championship.

And the big drawback is that the higher up the league you get, the more financial scrutiny there is. They won't be able to buy their way to success on crowds of 12,500.

*COUGH* Bournemouth *COUGH*

Bournemouth were walking the FFP tightrope in 21/22. If they hadn't gone up, they would have been oxf*rd. They only passed because they sold a load of players the previous season when they got relegated and had parachute payments.

[Sutekh]

It isn't really Pepe. Wrexham fans seem to have genuinely got carried away and think L1 is just a formality, as next stop is the Championship and promotion to the Premier League.

That said, I'm sure there are a lot of decent types who support them. In fact jnr leon II and I were walking past one last night who was raving about how good our second goal was. And how we played them off the park. Which we did.

They may well reach the PL, but they need to be realistic with timing. This is the same management team they appointed in the NL and a lot of the same players. They need a second big refresh to push on higher, and if this lot do get promoted this season they may find it's too soon and get hammered in the Championship.

And the big drawback is that the higher up the league you get, the more financial scrutiny there is. They won't be able to buy their way to success on crowds of 12,500.

Or less/simpler if the PL get their way and we move to an overall squad cost/cap methodology.

[Mr Optimist]

Personally I’m really pleased for Wrexham as I’ve lived in North Wales for 25 years or so and their current success has a great knock-on feel good factor for the region from Wrexham all the way west across to Anglesey. They haven’t seen good times like this since the 1970s and North Walians love their football and there is a real buzz about the place. People in the pubs around here in Colwyn Bay asking how Wrexham got on etc and they weren’t doing that five or six years ago.

There is a lot of jealousy around from a lot of quarters but fair play to them and I hope their success continues and a lasting infrastructure is created for the club out of it all and the new Kop Stand gets built soon. They will though at some point hit a glass ceiling point, mid-table Championship would be my guess, but I just hope they become sustainable at that level for decades to come out of these years of upward trajectory.

Always got a soft spot for the club and their fans, who demonstrated last night with their support for us that they are true football fans and I wish them all the best, apart from when they play us.

[WestYorksRoyal]

Personally I’m really pleased for Wrexham as I’ve lived in North Wales for 25 years or so and their current success has a great knock-on feel good factor for the region from Wrexham all the way west across to Anglesey. They haven’t seen good times like this since the 1970s and North Walians love their football and there is a real buzz about the place. People in the pubs around here in Colwyn Bay asking how Wrexham got on etc and they weren’t doing that five or six years ago.

There is a lot of jealousy around from a lot of quarters but fair play to them and I hope their success continues and a lasting infrastructure is created for the club out of it all and the new Kop Stand gets built soon. They will though at some point hit a glass ceiling point, mid-table Championship would be my guess, but I just hope they become sustainable at that level for decades to come out of these years of upward trajectory.

Always got a soft spot for the club and their fans, who demonstrated last night with their support for us that they are true football fans and I wish them all the best, apart from when they play us.

I don't begrudge them, and if they have bigger ambitions fair play.

But turning on Parky and moaning above football style is so disrespectful given how far he has taken them. Enjoy the good times, look forward to more but show some respect to the people who have got you this far.

[Mr Optimist]

Personally I’m really pleased for Wrexham as I’ve lived in North Wales for 25 years or so and their current success has a great knock-on feel good factor for the region from Wrexham all the way west across to Anglesey. They haven’t seen good times like this since the 1970s and North Walians love their football and there is a real buzz about the place. People in the pubs around here in Colwyn Bay asking how Wrexham got on etc and they weren’t doing that five or six years ago.

There is a lot of jealousy around from a lot of quarters but fair play to them and I hope their success continues and a lasting infrastructure is created for the club out of it all and the new Kop Stand gets built soon. They will though at some point hit a glass ceiling point, mid-table Championship would be my guess, but I just hope they become sustainable at that level for decades to come out of these years of upward trajectory.

Always got a soft spot for the club and their fans, who demonstrated last night with their support for us that they are true football fans and I wish them all the best, apart from when they play us.

I don't begrudge them, and if they have bigger ambitions fair play.

But turning on Parky and moaning above football style is so disrespectful given how far he has taken them. Enjoy the good times, look forward to more but show some respect to the people who have got you this far.

Isn’t that just football fans generally though? Expectations are now through the roof but the older fans totally appreciate the job Parky has done for them and he will have his place in Wrexham’s history for getting them back in the league and so long as the results keep following, the style of football becomes less talked about, it would be the same here, not everyone is behind Noel, and it usually only takes a Shrewsbury type performance for these voices to get louder, with no thought to the wider context. All football managers have a life span at clubs and are either sacked or poached eventually! I love Parky and saw most of his games in our shirt, but he does need to get his eyes checked if he didn’t think that was a penalty for us last night!

[Snowflake Royal]

Personally I’m really pleased for Wrexham as I’ve lived in North Wales for 25 years or so and their current success has a great knock-on feel good factor for the region from Wrexham all the way west across to Anglesey. They haven’t seen good times like this since the 1970s and North Walians love their football and there is a real buzz about the place. People in the pubs around here in Colwyn Bay asking how Wrexham got on etc and they weren’t doing that five or six years ago.

There is a lot of jealousy around from a lot of quarters but fair play to them and I hope their success continues and a lasting infrastructure is created for the club out of it all and the new Kop Stand gets built soon. They will though at some point hit a glass ceiling point, mid-table Championship would be my guess, but I just hope they become sustainable at that level for decades to come out of these years of upward trajectory.

Always got a soft spot for the club and their fans, who demonstrated last night with their support for us that they are true football fans and I wish them all the best, apart from when they play us.

I don't begrudge them, and if they have bigger ambitions fair play.

But turning on Parky and moaning above football style is so disrespectful given how far he has taken them. Enjoy the good times, look forward to more but show some respect to the people who have got you this far.

Isn’t that just football fans generally though? Expectations are now through the roof but the older fans totally appreciate the job Parky has done for them and he will have his place in Wrexham’s history for getting them back in the league and so long as the results keep following, the style of football becomes less talked about, it would be the same here, not everyone is behind Noel, and it usually only takes a Shrewsbury type performance for these voices to get louder, with no thought to the wider context. All football managers have a life span at clubs and are either sacked or poached eventually! I love Parky and saw most of his games in our shirt, but he does need to get his eyes checked if he didn’t think that was a penalty for us last night!

Personally speaking, I don’t think the widespread nature of that type of ungrateful, shortsighted and arrogant fan should excuse any of them from being criticised for being like that.

[leon]

Personally I’m really pleased for Wrexham as I’ve lived in North Wales for 25 years or so and their current success has a great knock-on feel good factor for the region from Wrexham all the way west across to Anglesey. They haven’t seen good times like this since the 1970s and North Walians love their football and there is a real buzz about the place. People in the pubs around here in Colwyn Bay asking how Wrexham got on etc and they weren’t doing that five or six years ago.

There is a lot of jealousy around from a lot of quarters but fair play to them and I hope their success continues and a lasting infrastructure is created for the club out of it all and the new Kop Stand gets built soon. They will though at some point hit a glass ceiling point, mid-table Championship would be my guess, but I just hope they become sustainable at that level for decades to come out of these years of upward trajectory.

Always got a soft spot for the club and their fans, who demonstrated last night with their support for us that they are true football fans and I wish them all the best, apart from when they play us.

I don't begrudge them, and if they have bigger ambitions fair play.

But turning on Parky and moaning above football style is so disrespectful given how far he has taken them. Enjoy the good times, look forward to more but show some respect to the people who have got you this far.

Isn’t that just football fans generally though? Expectations are now through the roof but the older fans totally appreciate the job Parky has done for them and he will have his place in Wrexham’s history for getting them back in the league and so long as the results keep following, the style of football becomes less talked about, it would be the same here, not everyone is behind Noel, and it usually only takes a Shrewsbury type performance for these voices to get louder, with no thought to the wider context. All football managers have a life span at clubs and are either sacked or poached eventually! I love Parky and saw most of his games in our shirt, but he does need to get his eyes checked if he didn’t think that was a penalty for us last night!

I'm not entirely sure Wrexham fans calling for Parky to be sacked for not pissing League One having gained back to back promotions previously is the same as some RFC fans questioning our formation and some of the tactics? After all people haven't been calling for Hunt's head have they?

In actual fact I'd say we were quite a forgiving bunch compared to some of the spanners out there.

[Sutekh]

I don't begrudge them, and if they have bigger ambitions fair play.

But turning on Parky and moaning above football style is so disrespectful given how far he has taken them. Enjoy the good times, look forward to more but show some respect to the people who have got you this far.

Isn’t that just football fans generally though? Expectations are now through the roof but the older fans totally appreciate the job Parky has done for them and he will have his place in Wrexham’s history for getting them back in the league and so long as the results keep following, the style of football becomes less talked about, it would be the same here, not everyone is behind Noel, and it usually only takes a Shrewsbury type performance for these voices to get louder, with no thought to the wider context. All football managers have a life span at clubs and are either sacked or poached eventually! I love Parky and saw most of his games in our shirt, but he does need to get his eyes checked if he didn’t think that was a penalty for us last night!

I'm not entirely sure Wrexham fans calling for Parky to be sacked for not pissing League One having gained back to back promotions previously is the same as some RFC fans questioning our formation and some of the tactics? After all people haven't been calling for Hunt's head have they?

In actual fact I'd say we were quite a forgiving bunch compared to some of the spanners out there.

Sadly an after effect of the acceptance we’ve all come to after the general diet of total failures that Dai has inflicted on us ever since Stam.

[Armadillo Roadkill]

Some Wrexham fans may believe Parky has taken them as far as he can and they need someone else to take them to the next level. Others will still believe in his ability to further improve the team.

Some will be childish and ungrateful about this. Others may feel that way with regret.

I felt it was time for McDermott to go, both times. This didn’t affect the enormous gratitude I had for him. No manager, like no player, is bigger than the club.

Resenting Wrexham for their fairy-tale success is, in my opinion, pathetic. It’s not like they’re being bankrolled by a theocratic state with no respect for human rights, is it? Good luck to them.

Like we were mounting protests in the street and calling on the EFL to rescue us when two Chinese sibling billionaires bought Reading.

[Snowflake Royal]

Some Wrexham fans may believe Parky has taken them as far as he can and they need someone else to take them to the next level. Others will still believe in his ability to further improve the team.

Some will be childish and ungrateful about this. Others may feel that way with regret.

I felt it was time for McDermott to go, both times. This didn’t affect the enormous gratitude I had for him. No manager, like no player, is bigger than the club.

Resenting Wrexham for their fairy-tale success is, in my opinion, pathetic. It’s not like they’re being bankrolled by a theocratic state with no respect for human rights, is it? Good luck to them.

Like we were mounting protests in the street and calling on the EFL to rescue us when two Chinese sibling billionaires bought Reading.

Working in reverse order, there's always (and always has been) a resentment of clubs buying success. Bournemouth, Fulham, Wigan, Man City etc etc - us in L1 in the early 00s to a lesser extent). It's clear Wrexham have revenue streams that just aren't available to other clubs and purely because of their fairytale owners. The way they just built a L1/2 side in non league doesn't sit well with many people.

We love a plucky underdog, where you can look at a club and think, if we were just that well run it could be us, but we hate looking at a club and thinking well they're only successful because someone has parachuted in vastly more resources than everyone else. It's not David beating Goliath, it's David becoming Goliath.

On Parky. I get people thinking he's taken them as far as he can, but that's a summer conversation if they fail to go up, not a currently third by a hairs breadth in their first season after promotion one.

And he does have a record of promotion into the Championship. You'd think after all the success he brought they might give him two seasons to get promoted from L1. It's not like they can be looking at it as their one chance given how big an advantage over much of the league they have, thanks to their documentary.

I'd also say Reading fans are one of the better groups for looking for brick by brick sustainable success after our experience with Madejski, and then Zingaravich and now Dai. 'The Reading Way' is oft quoted. And that's certainly not buying instant success as far as we're concerned.