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Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by Brogue » 20 Mar 2025 10:46

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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by Hendo » 20 Mar 2025 10:49

Hard to say, all very different players.

Although I'd say that Kitson is probably the best all-round striker I've ever seen play for us.

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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by Armadillo Roadkill » 20 Mar 2025 11:02

Purely on ability:

Kitson > Kermorgant > Doyle > Long

On contribution:

Kitson .> Doyle > Long

On how much I like them as players:

Kitson > Kermorgant > Long > Doyle

How much I like them as people:

Kermorgant > Long > Doyle > Kitson

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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by Snowflake Royal » 20 Mar 2025 11:25

Hendo Hard to say, all very different players.

Although I'd say that Kitson is probably the best all-round striker I've ever seen play for us.

Yeah. Doyle was consistently better than Long, who had one good season here, a couple including elsewhere.

Quinn should be in the conversation.

Prime Joao was as unplayable as I've seen, even if it only lasted 6 months.

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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by Tinpot Royal » 20 Mar 2025 12:17

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Hendo Hard to say, all very different players.

Although I'd say that Kitson is probably the best all-round striker I've ever seen play for us.

Yeah. Doyle was consistently better than Long, who had one good season here, a couple including elsewhere.

Quinn should be in the conversation.

Prime Joao was as unplayable as I've seen, even if it only lasted 6 months.


Jimmy Quinn I would say was better than all of these.

But for these 3 it's Doyle>Kitson>Long when playing for Reading, Long possibly goes ahead of Kitson in total career.

But Trevor Senior will always be my favorite!


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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by Snowflake Royal » 20 Mar 2025 12:22

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Hendo Hard to say, all very different players.

Although I'd say that Kitson is probably the best all-round striker I've ever seen play for us.

Yeah. Doyle was consistently better than Long, who had one good season here, a couple including elsewhere.

Quinn should be in the conversation.

Prime Joao was as unplayable as I've seen, even if it only lasted 6 months.


Jimmy Quinn I would say was better than all of these.

But for these 3 it's Doyle>Kitson>Long when playing for Reading, Long possibly goes ahead of Kitson in total career.

But Trevor Senior will always be my favorite!

It's all opinions obviously, but I can't agree Doyle over Kitson.

Doyle had some quite lack lustre runs in amongst his great performances. But Kitson did it every season until he left, season after season, despite getting injured a lot and having a poor attitude to training. And he added a lot defending set pieces. The one season Kits didn't get a respectable goal tally it was because Riggott tried to end his career.

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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by LUX » 20 Mar 2025 12:24

Doyle by a mile for me. A class player.

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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by From Despair To Where? » 20 Mar 2025 13:29

Kitson > Doyle> Long.


Easy to forget that for the 2 seasons before 05/06, Kitson was the one player that made us worth watching.

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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by Whore Jackie » 20 Mar 2025 13:42

Yeah that. Obviously longevity is a key attribute in looking back, but what nudges Kitson above Doyle and Long, is his performance against West Ham. Probably the best game by a Reading player I've ever see. Single-handedly tore them apart. Utter class.


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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by leon » 20 Mar 2025 13:44

From Despair To Where? Kitson > Doyle> Long.


Easy to forget that for the 2 seasons before 05/06, Kitson was the one player that made us worth watching.


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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by Pepe the Horseman » 20 Mar 2025 13:44

Kitson is the best striker we've ever had and it's not even close.

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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by Tinpot Royal » 20 Mar 2025 13:51

Pepe the Horseman Kitson is the best striker we've ever had and it's not even close.


Seems you're forgetting Paul Brayson & Keith Scott!

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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by SCIAG » 20 Mar 2025 14:00

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Hendo Hard to say, all very different players.

Although I'd say that Kitson is probably the best all-round striker I've ever seen play for us.

Yeah. Doyle was consistently better than Long, who had one good season here, a couple including elsewhere.

Quinn should be in the conversation.

Prime Joao was as unplayable as I've seen, even if it only lasted 6 months.

The only player I'd compare to Joao is Jason Roberts, but even then Joao's ceiling was so much higher. Christ, what a player.

Anyway, the subject of the topic...

Out of the three, Doyle was the only one who couldn't (and never had to) "carry" a team. He was never a star player, although he had some nifty finishes over the years - the main thing about him was that he fit perfectly into Coppell's system and had a good understanding with the players around him (Kitson, Convey, Little and Sidwell at first, then over time it was more about the Hunts and Kebe).

Long is probably the fastest striker I've ever seen us have. He had an extremely limited game but he was so bloody good at it. In his last (proper) season for us, we just had to put the ball in behind the defence and he'd score. Helped that we had Kebe around as well, who could create chances from poor positions.

Kitson had five years with us, and for three of them he was head and shoulders above the rest of the team. Top scorer four years out of five despite a pretty poor injury record. Generally had more strings to his bow than the other two, extremely two-footed, a better striker of the ball. He wasn't quite as easy on the eye as Joao and Roberts, but he balanced that out through sheer weight of goals over an extended period of time, and rarely having "poor form". I guess it took him a while to get back to his best after the Riggott challenge, that's the closest thing I have to serious criticism of him.

For me, Kitson>Doyle>Long.


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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by Pepe the Horseman » 20 Mar 2025 14:01

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Pepe the Horseman Kitson is the best striker we've ever had and it's not even close.


Seems you're forgetting Paul Brayson & Keith Scott!

I remember the emotional rollercoaster of signing Scott. Was disappointed when I saw on teletext (iirc) that we were signing him, then relieved to see it wasn't happening, then absolutely gutted when it went through.

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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by Pepe the Horseman » 20 Mar 2025 14:04

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Hendo Hard to say, all very different players.

Although I'd say that Kitson is probably the best all-round striker I've ever seen play for us.

Yeah. Doyle was consistently better than Long, who had one good season here, a couple including elsewhere.

Quinn should be in the conversation.

Prime Joao was as unplayable as I've seen, even if it only lasted 6 months.

The only player I'd compare to Joao is Jason Roberts, but even then Joao's ceiling was so much higher. Christ, what a player.

Anyway, the subject of the topic...

Out of the three, Doyle was the only one who couldn't (and never had to) "carry" a team. He was never a star player, although he had some nifty finishes over the years - the main thing about him was that he fit perfectly into Coppell's system and had a good understanding with the players around him (Kitson, Convey, Little and Sidwell at first, then over time it was more about the Hunts and Kebe).

Long is probably the fastest striker I've ever seen us have. He had an extremely limited game but he was so bloody good at it. In his last (proper) season for us, we just had to put the ball in behind the defence and he'd score. Helped that we had Kebe around as well, who could create chances from poor positions.

Kitson had five years with us, and for three of them he was head and shoulders above the rest of the team. Top scorer four years out of five despite a pretty poor injury record. Generally had more strings to his bow than the other two, extremely two-footed, a better striker of the ball. He wasn't quite as easy on the eye as Joao and Roberts, but he balanced that out through sheer weight of goals over an extended period of time, and rarely having "poor form". I guess it took him a while to get back to his best after the Riggott challenge, that's the closest thing I have to serious criticism of him.

For me, Kitson>Doyle>Long.

Yeh, I've always felt like Doyle was right place at the right time. There was nothing particularly special about him, but he hit the ground running and never looked back.

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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by Snowflake Royal » 20 Mar 2025 15:50

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Snowflake Royal Yeah. Doyle was consistently better than Long, who had one good season here, a couple including elsewhere.

Quinn should be in the conversation.

Prime Joao was as unplayable as I've seen, even if it only lasted 6 months.

The only player I'd compare to Joao is Jason Roberts, but even then Joao's ceiling was so much higher. Christ, what a player.

Anyway, the subject of the topic...

Out of the three, Doyle was the only one who couldn't (and never had to) "carry" a team. He was never a star player, although he had some nifty finishes over the years - the main thing about him was that he fit perfectly into Coppell's system and had a good understanding with the players around him (Kitson, Convey, Little and Sidwell at first, then over time it was more about the Hunts and Kebe).

Long is probably the fastest striker I've ever seen us have. He had an extremely limited game but he was so bloody good at it. In his last (proper) season for us, we just had to put the ball in behind the defence and he'd score. Helped that we had Kebe around as well, who could create chances from poor positions.

Kitson had five years with us, and for three of them he was head and shoulders above the rest of the team. Top scorer four years out of five despite a pretty poor injury record. Generally had more strings to his bow than the other two, extremely two-footed, a better striker of the ball. He wasn't quite as easy on the eye as Joao and Roberts, but he balanced that out through sheer weight of goals over an extended period of time, and rarely having "poor form". I guess it took him a while to get back to his best after the Riggott challenge, that's the closest thing I have to serious criticism of him.

For me, Kitson>Doyle>Long.

Yeh, I've always felt like Doyle was right place at the right time. There was nothing particularly special about him, but he hit the ground running and never looked back.

I still think that if we'd sold Doyle to Stoke instead of Kitson we'd have gone back up, first time of asking. That move ruined Kits. Although maybe that's ignoring the injury damage too much

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Re: Dave Kitson > Shane Long > Kevin Doyle

by SCIAG » 20 Mar 2025 23:09

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Pepe the Horseman Yeh, I've always felt like Doyle was right place at the right time. There was nothing particularly special about him, but he hit the ground running and never looked back.

I still think that if we'd sold Doyle to Stoke instead of Kitson we'd have gone back up, first time of asking. That move ruined Kits. Although maybe that's ignoring the injury damage too much

Oh, that's very interesting.

My gut reaction is that Kitson wouldn't have been able to do the job Doyle did in the team that season... but then that's a pretty bad point, because the team would have adapted. NHunt-Kitson doesn't feel like a natural partnership (both liked to drop off and get stuck in, both put their heads in stupid places, neither really stretched defences) but NHunt made all sorts of partnerships work. Kebe probably has a better season.

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