#SellBeforeWeDai Action/Inaction Group

[tidus_mi2]

I think it's just because we were actively attacking when the 18th minute rolled around.

I think the fan base know there is a petition by the Reading MP that has hit over 10,000 signatures which will sort all our problems so no need to protest now.

On today 1.30pm, Westminster Hall debate, parliamentlive.tv no subscription required!

I'll give it a listen but not expecting anything substantial. Politicians love to pretend to care but I don't think they do. This doesn't apply to Yuan Yang, I do think she wants Government to take our situation seriously but I can't see anything happening.

[tidus_mi2]

As expected, empassioned speeches from MPs, all but 2 who support the bill, one of course being the odious Rupert Lowe.

[Clyde1998]

As expected, empassioned speeches from MPs, all but 2 who support the bill, one of course being the odious Rupert Lowe.

Rupert Lowe was by far the worst speech. Regulation would harm the Premier League and government will destroy football.

Was good to hear Basingstoke and Bracknell come up in the speeches.

[Sutekh]

As expected, empassioned speeches from MPs, all but 2 who support the bill, one of course being the odious Rupert Lowe.

Rupert Lowe was by far the worst speech. Regulation would harm the Premier League and government will destroy football.

Was good to hear Basingstoke and Bracknell come up in the speeches.

Basingstoke and Bracknell? Have they got likely regulatory problems then?

[Clyde1998]

As expected, empassioned speeches from MPs, all but 2 who support the bill, one of course being the odious Rupert Lowe.

Rupert Lowe was by far the worst speech. Regulation would harm the Premier League and government will destroy football.

Was good to hear Basingstoke and Bracknell come up in the speeches.

Basingstoke and Bracknell? Have they got likely regulatory problems then?

No. It seemed mostly to be about saying how the bill should have an impact in the lower non-league divisions - not just the professional leagues.

IIRC, the Bracknell mention (and at least one other) was about trying to keep clubs having their own grounds - Bracknell are playing at Sandhurst(?) at the moment. Can't remember what the Basingstoke mention was about, but their ground was sold a few years back.

[Crusader Royal]

Rupert Lowe was by far the worst speech. Regulation would harm the Premier League and government will destroy football.

Was good to hear Basingstoke and Bracknell come up in the speeches.

Basingstoke and Bracknell? Have they got likely regulatory problems then?

No. It seemed mostly to be about saying how the bill should have an impact in the lower non-league divisions - not just the professional leagues.

IIRC, the Bracknell mention (and at least one other) was about trying to keep clubs having their own grounds - Bracknell are playing at Sandhurst(?) at the moment. Can't remember what the Basingstoke mention was about, but their ground was sold a few years back.

Basingstoke had their ground sold under them by a rogue owner and are now using a council facility which prevents them being promoted.
Didn’t Bracknell chose to move to Sandhurst and own the ground.

[Orion1871]

As expected, empassioned speeches from MPs, all but 2 who support the bill, one of course being the odious Rupert Lowe.

Rupert Lowe was by far the worst speech. Regulation would harm the Premier League and government will destroy football.

Was good to hear Basingstoke and Bracknell come up in the speeches.

No regulation means the Super League is pretty much certain and surely "harms the Premier League".

[RoyalBlue]

As expected, empassioned speeches from MPs, all but 2 who support the bill, one of course being the odious Rupert Lowe.

Rupert Lowe was by far the worst speech. Regulation would harm the Premier League and government will destroy football.

Was good to hear Basingstoke and Bracknell come up in the speeches.

I'm surprised the odious Lowe actually bothered to turn up. Doesn't he have a farm to run? As for destroying football, doesn't he have a pretty good record of that himself?! Perhaps if an IFR had been around between 1996 and 2009, Saints fans wouldn't have had to have suffered like they did.

[From Despair To Where?]

As expected, empassioned speeches from MPs, all but 2 who support the bill, one of course being the odious Rupert Lowe.

Rupert Lowe was by far the worst speech. Regulation would harm the Premier League and government will destroy football.

Was good to hear Basingstoke and Bracknell come up in the speeches.

I'm surprised the odious Lowe actually bothered to turn up. Doesn't he have a farm to run? As for destroying football, doesn't he have a pretty good record of that himself?! Perhaps if an IFR had been around between 1996 and 2009, Saints fans wouldn't have had to have suffered like they did.

Wasn't he also a Premier League rep on the FA executive committee?

[tmesis]

Basingstoke and Bracknell? Have they got likely regulatory problems then?

No. It seemed mostly to be about saying how the bill should have an impact in the lower non-league divisions - not just the professional leagues.

IIRC, the Bracknell mention (and at least one other) was about trying to keep clubs having their own grounds - Bracknell are playing at Sandhurst(?) at the moment. Can't remember what the Basingstoke mention was about, but their ground was sold a few years back.

Basingstoke had their ground sold under them by a rogue owner and are now using a council facility which prevents them being promoted.
Didn’t Bracknell chose to move to Sandhurst and own the ground.

Bracknell chose to sell their ground for housing, but the deal hasn't gone through yet. I think they also underestimated the difficulty of finding a site back in the town. The owner then stepped down to look after his wife after she was diagnosed with cancer. The owner's companies owned Sandhurst FC and their ground.

Their first mistake was selling part of the ground for housing a few years back, with left them with a footprint too small to expand.

The owner did seem keen on a move to the sports centre, but the council didn't seem keen. I don't think he was a bad owner, just one whose plans didn't quite work out.

[rabidbee]

By no means have I followed affairs at Bracknell since I left the town, but 20+ years ago there was a plan to build a new stadium as part of the redevelopment of Peacock Farm, which would have been perfect.

[Sutekh]

By no means have I followed affairs at Bracknell since I left the town, but 20+ years ago there was a plan to build a new stadium as part of the redevelopment of Peacock Farm, which would have been perfect.

Yes, don’t know what happened there, think it was even on the plans to build it close to the A329 roundabout just before the coppid beach roundabout but then it just sort of “disappeared”. Would have been ideal but someone knew better somewhere I expect.

The proposed plans to develop the sports centre area looked quite interesting and would also have seen a face lift and improvements for the centre itself but again the council weren’t interested. Do hope they haven’t got an idiot council out to block having the biggest club in Bracknell Forest back in the main town where it should be.

Guess the only options left are to convert the training academy on the opposite side of Larges Lane or try and persuade the council to let them develop one of the many empty office sites that litter the town. The old Dell site for example.

[rabidbee]

By no means have I followed affairs at Bracknell since I left the town, but 20+ years ago there was a plan to build a new stadium as part of the redevelopment of Peacock Farm, which would have been perfect.

Yes, don’t know what happened there, think it was even on the plans to build it close to the A329 roundabout just before the coppid beach roundabout but then it just sort of “disappeared”. Would have been ideal but someone knew better somewhere I expect.

ctrl+f "football": https://democratic.bracknell-forest.gov ... pendix.pdf

I always suspected that the developers included a stadium in the original plans to get the development under consideration, then axed the stadium at a later stage so they could sell more houses.

[tmesis]

By no means have I followed affairs at Bracknell since I left the town, but 20+ years ago there was a plan to build a new stadium as part of the redevelopment of Peacock Farm, which would have been perfect.

Yes, don’t know what happened there, think it was even on the plans to build it close to the A329 roundabout just before the coppid beach roundabout but then it just sort of “disappeared”. Would have been ideal but someone knew better somewhere I expect.

ctrl+f "football": https://democratic.bracknell-forest.gov ... pendix.pdf

I always suspected that the developers included a stadium in the original plans to get the development under consideration, then axed the stadium at a later stage so they could sell more houses.

Possible, but the club back then had a very low profile, so wouldn't have been a major selling point. I do recall an FA Cup 4QR game v Barnet, when the club was still mentioning the possible move in the match programme, even though the move was dead.

They tried to move to a site on the other side of Larges Lane, but got refused planning permission, and also tried to move to the site of a driving range after the Blue Mountain golf course went bust, but were outbid, I think.

There really aren't many obvious sites for them to go to, so it will probably be an edge of town site, if anywhere.

[Forbury Lion]

As expected, empassioned speeches from MPs, all but 2 who support the bill, one of course being the odious Rupert Lowe.

Rupert Lowe was by far the worst speech. Regulation would harm the Premier League and government will destroy football.

Was good to hear Basingstoke and Bracknell come up in the speeches.

No regulation means the Super League is pretty much certain and surely "harms the Premier League".

Worse than that.
The Premier League could vote to end promotion and relegation, it just needs a majority vote and he way it's going the majority of clubs will be owned by American owners, some who own NFL clubs where they make shit loads of money with no relegation or promotion.

[Sutekh]

Rupert Lowe was by far the worst speech. Regulation would harm the Premier League and government will destroy football.

Was good to hear Basingstoke and Bracknell come up in the speeches.

No regulation means the Super League is pretty much certain and surely "harms the Premier League".

Worse than that.
The Premier League could vote to end promotion and relegation, it just needs a majority vote and he way it's going the majority of clubs will be owned by American owners, some who own NFL clubs where they make shit loads of money with no relegation or promotion.

That’d screw football in this country, mind you if the FA actually decided to run with the FL and grass roots side of the game, and thereby outlaw PL clubs, that’d be the end of any such plan.

[RoyalBlue]

Rupert Lowe was by far the worst speech. Regulation would harm the Premier League and government will destroy football.

Was good to hear Basingstoke and Bracknell come up in the speeches.

No regulation means the Super League is pretty much certain and surely "harms the Premier League".

Worse than that.
The Premier League could vote to end promotion and relegation, it just needs a majority vote and he way it's going the majority of clubs will be owned by American owners, some who own NFL clubs where they make shit loads of money with no relegation or promotion.

USL, the other main pro league in the USA, have just voted in favour of introducing promotion and relegation to their setup. They believe the competitiveness throughout the season that this will bring will make their leagues far more attractive to fans/viewers and enable them to challenge MLS's dominance.

I watch a fair bit of football/soccer in the US and I can see pros and cons to both setups. Although it's said that without relegation clubs in MLS have nothing to worry about and, as a consequence, seasons can die off and be less competitive, the draft system and caps on salaries etc. have, in the past, made it a much more level playing field. A team can be struggling one season and be challenging for the honours the next and vice versa.

[Sutekh]

No regulation means the Super League is pretty much certain and surely "harms the Premier League".

Worse than that.
The Premier League could vote to end promotion and relegation, it just needs a majority vote and he way it's going the majority of clubs will be owned by American owners, some who own NFL clubs where they make shit loads of money with no relegation or promotion.

USL, the other main pro league in the USA, have just voted in favour of introducing promotion and relegation to their setup. They believe the competitiveness throughout the season that this will bring will make their leagues far more attractive to fans/viewers and enable them to challenge MLS's dominance.

I watch a fair bit of football/soccer in the US and I can see pros and cons to both setups. Although it's said that without relegation clubs in MLS have nothing to worry about and, as a consequence, seasons can die off and be less competitive, the draft system and caps on salaries etc. have, in the past, made it a much more level playing field. A team can be struggling one season and be challenging for the honours the next and vice versa.

How much time will it take to explain the concept to US sports fans?

[tmesis]

Worse than that.
The Premier League could vote to end promotion and relegation, it just needs a majority vote and he way it's going the majority of clubs will be owned by American owners, some who own NFL clubs where they make shit loads of money with no relegation or promotion.

USL, the other main pro league in the USA, have just voted in favour of introducing promotion and relegation to their setup. They believe the competitiveness throughout the season that this will bring will make their leagues far more attractive to fans/viewers and enable them to challenge MLS's dominance.

I watch a fair bit of football/soccer in the US and I can see pros and cons to both setups. Although it's said that without relegation clubs in MLS have nothing to worry about and, as a consequence, seasons can die off and be less competitive, the draft system and caps on salaries etc. have, in the past, made it a much more level playing field. A team can be struggling one season and be challenging for the honours the next and vice versa.

How much time will it take to explain the concept to US sports fans?

Fans of football (proper kind) get it because there have been fans banging on about introducing it to MLS and the other divisions for more than 20 years now.

They've had to work very hard to create a league where clubs didn't just crash and burn every couple of years, and relegating teams could be horrifically bad for a lot of them, to replace them with clubs who just aren't equipped to step up.

It's probably more like the situation with rugby union in England, where a team would go down and struggle with debt, only to often be replaced by club that didn't have the facilities, and could cope.

[RoyalBlue]

Worse than that.
The Premier League could vote to end promotion and relegation, it just needs a majority vote and he way it's going the majority of clubs will be owned by American owners, some who own NFL clubs where they make shit loads of money with no relegation or promotion.

USL, the other main pro league in the USA, have just voted in favour of introducing promotion and relegation to their setup. They believe the competitiveness throughout the season that this will bring will make their leagues far more attractive to fans/viewers and enable them to challenge MLS's dominance.

I watch a fair bit of football/soccer in the US and I can see pros and cons to both setups. Although it's said that without relegation clubs in MLS have nothing to worry about and, as a consequence, seasons can die off and be less competitive, the draft system and caps on salaries etc. have, in the past, made it a much more level playing field. A team can be struggling one season and be challenging for the honours the next and vice versa.

How much time will it take to explain the concept to US sports fans?

Their fans, particularly in areas where they have a lot of Latino support, really aren't that out of touch with football in England and elsewhere in the world. They get it!