BFTG Wigan

[RoyallyFcuked]

Shards#2 wrote: I think the manager and the team are entitled to some slack.

Are you f***ing serious? We have missed a big opportunity today because the manager and the team he put out under performed from the 1st minute, and that is putting it mildly.

There minds must have been elsewhere.... if you give it a go and go down fighting you know you have tried your best.

Today was a whimper, rating as the 2nd worst performance by a Reading team I have seen at the Mad Stad.

That last sentence opens up quite a multiple choice quiz. I'll start with Reading 0 Watford 2 last season

I will go with Reading 0-2 Fulham towards the end of the 07/08 season. A game in which we were dominated, gutless and pathetic and which ultimately sent us down, there was shades of that today

[Pandoras Box]

Good games from each of Kebe, McAnuff, Legs, Karacan- upwards of 50 apiece. I mean Legs for example, 87 league matches for us, in 80 of those he's been absolute quality. Thought he was better than Akpan today even.

F*ck me. I'll get my coat.

[Divvy]

I will go with Reading 0-2 Fulham towards the end of the 07/08 season. A game in which we were dominated, gutless and pathetic and which ultimately sent us down, there was shades of that today

Only shades? I'm all out of optimism after that nonsense today. Brian just doesn't have the tactical nouse to compete at this level. We're as good as down.

I'm not freezing my bollocks off in the cold for any more games this season, so Villa has gone straight on ViaGoGo. That's £130 in the pot for our season ticket renewals. I'll see about April. Money saved > watching a half-arsed condemned 'team'.

[MeMeMe]

What annoys me is that we must surely scout teams we are about to play, yet our tactics do not change much. Against Wigan we had no answer to their game plan of one touch quick short passing, then when they don't have the ball pressure the opposition quickly (Rogers Swansea !!). Our tactics rely on wing play and 'punts' up the middle with direct passing, so with a 4-5-1 that does not work at all, especially with two defensive midfielders. When the wingers get there one striker to aim at who has been outpaced by our winger and so is not there, or punt up to our lone striker who has little chance.

Long & short - we were tactically beaten, resulting in us being outplayed and well beaten.

And as for Pog, I imagine tonight he is thinking "ебать это для игры в солдаты"

[SCIAG]

Wow? What's that in percentages? There's your wow. Akpan has done FAR more than the odd pass. What about header assists- today another example of a brilliant header at the far post knocking it back to ?who? who should have done better. Akpan is going to be a star.

80 out of 87 is 92%. And that's statistically significant. Akpan was ordinary against Stoke and comical against Newcastle.

I didn't say Akpan is only good for "the odd pass", I said his contribution at Chelsea consisted of "the odd pass". Headers are still passes.

Don't get me wrong, I like Akpan, I think he should be starting. I just think ruling out our proven talent and claiming he's head and shoulders above them is a load of cobblers. Even claiming he's "going to be a star" based on so little... you know he has two red cards this season? And two last season too?

[grey_squirrel]

Elements of Pandoras Box post I totally agree with.

I hate watching Swansea. Thus I hate watching Matinez's teams. It is so boring. I hate it.

BUT, the bottom line is if you are in possession, the other team cannot score.

Regardless of how we are set up/play, we cannot keep the ball. Hoofball and panic. Or panic and hoofball.

How many times this season (and last) do we not seem to have any time on the ball? + our atrocious first touches (Karacan and Legsofwood) compound the issue.

Until we learn how to play triangles with team mates running and working into spaces, then we have little hope except desperation.

[sandman]

I will go with Reading 0-2 Fulham towards the end of the 07/08 season. A game in which we were dominated, gutless and pathetic and which ultimately sent us down, there was shades of that today

Only shades? I'm all out of optimism after that nonsense today. Brian just doesn't have the tactical nouse to compete at this level. We're as good as down.

I'm not freezing my bollocks off in the cold for any more games this season, so Villa has gone straight on ViaGoGo. That's £130 in the pot for our season ticket renewals. I'll see about April. Money saved > watching a half-arsed condemned 'team'.

Good pi55 off. You don't want to go and we don't need you.

[windermere_royal]

Elements of Pandoras Box post I totally agree with.

I hate watching Swansea. Thus I hate watching Matinez's teams. It is so boring. I hate it.

BUT, the bottom line is if you are in possession, the other team cannot score.

Regardless of how we are set up/play, we cannot keep the ball. Hoofball and panic. Or panic and hoofball.

How many times this season (and last) do we not seem to have any time on the ball? + our atrocious first touches (Karacan and Legsofwood) compound the issue.

Until we learn how to play triangles with team mates running and working into spaces, then we have little hope except desperation.

Sadly that will never happen with Brian in charge , the guy is clueless tactically

[MmmMonsterMunch]

I will go with Reading 0-2 Fulham towards the end of the 07/08 season. A game in which we were dominated, gutless and pathetic and which ultimately sent us down, there was shades of that today

Only shades? I'm all out of optimism after that nonsense today. Brian just doesn't have the tactical nouse to compete at this level. We're as good as down.

I'm not freezing my bollocks off in the cold for any more games this season, so Villa has gone straight on ViaGoGo. That's £130 in the pot for our season ticket renewals. I'll see about April. Money saved > watching a half-arsed condemned 'team'.

Cheerio then - you won't be missed.

Shame on you quite frankly. Lets hope you get the outcome you so desperately crave i.e. a Reading relegation so you can rub your little hands together with glee.

[Norfolk Royal]

Can't really see this Akpan love in. He missed an excellent chance with a header in the first half when 0-0 which might have changed the game completely, made the odd tackle, but his distribution was very poor. He looked what he was until recently, a third division player trading up. I think he's a good prospect but get some perspective, if we're bringing in a player of his pedigree during the run in to a premiership campaign, it's not difficult to see why we're in the position we're in.

[SPARTA]

I will go with Reading 0-2 Fulham towards the end of the 07/08 season. A game in which we were dominated, gutless and pathetic and which ultimately sent us down, there was shades of that today

Only shades? I'm all out of optimism after that nonsense today. Brian just doesn't have the tactical nouse to compete at this level. We're as good as down.

I'm not freezing my bollocks off in the cold for any more games this season, so Villa has gone straight on ViaGoGo. That's £130 in the pot for our season ticket renewals. I'll see about April. Money saved > watching a half-arsed condemned 'team'.

Good pi55 off. You don't want to go and we don't need you.

That's the spirit. A fan decides to miss one game and make about a fifth of what he'll need for a season ticket renewal and you come down on him.

[RockheadRumple]

Shards#2 wrote: I think the manager and the team are entitled to some slack.

Are you f***ing serious? We have missed a big opportunity today because the manager and the team he put out under performed from the 1st minute, and that is putting it mildly.

There minds must have been elsewhere.... if you give it a go and go down fighting you know you have tried your best.

Today was a whimper, rating as the 2nd worst performance by a Reading team I have seen at the Mad Stad.

That last sentence opens up quite a multiple choice quiz. I'll start with Reading 0 Watford 2 last season

This was defo worse for me.

[SHORT AND CURLY]

Can't really see this Akpan love in. He missed an excellent chance with a header in the first half when 0-0 which might have changed the game completely, made the odd tackle, but his distribution was very poor. He looked what he was until recently, a third division player trading up. I think he's a good prospect but get some perspective, if we're bringing in a player of his pedigree during the run in to a premiership campaign, it's not difficult to see why we're in the position we're in.

Truth be told is that Akpan looks to better than some of the other midfield rubbish

[sandman]

Elements of Pandoras Box post I totally agree with.

I hate watching Swansea. Thus I hate watching Matinez's teams. It is so boring. I hate it.

BUT, the bottom line is if you are in possession, the other team cannot score.

Regardless of how we are set up/play, we cannot keep the ball. Hoofball and panic. Or panic and hoofball.

How many times this season (and last) do we not seem to have any time on the ball? + our atrocious first touches (Karacan and Legsofwood) compound the issue.

Until we learn how to play triangles with team mates running and working into spaces, then we have little hope except desperation.

Sadly that will never happen with Brian in charge , the guy is clueless tactically

No he's not. Look we lost a game and we played very poorly but do we really have to go back to this sort of crap being spouted?

[SPARTA]

- More of the same negative tactics

Are these not the same tactics that everyone on here kept begging for?
"OH we MUST play 4-5-1, oh in 4-5-1 Guthrie will be the next Messi, oh if only we play 4-5-1 everything will be orgasmic!"
So now everyone has changed their tune? I thought 4-5-1 was exactly what you wanted you bunch of goalpostmovers!

I don't remember anyone calling for negative hopeless long-ball tactics that still see us concede too many goals, but we score less.

We needed the defence to tighten up, and it hasn't really done that. We no longer concede 4-5 goals a game, but instead let in 2-3. I'd rather see us play 4-4-2 but perhaps deploy counter attacking tactics if we want men behind the ball. But who are we to judge. Brian has learnt a lot this season and knows best.

[Para Handy]

[...] Pogrebnyak being banned for 3 games[...]

'greed! Our laziest and least willing player.

Another bellend that doesn't go to games commenting on something he knows nothing about.

[sandman]

Really? Did you miss the first couple of seasons we played at the Mad Stad?

No, Next question please?

If it was worse that Bristol Rovers in 1999, Scunthorpe in 2000 and the trio of 3-0 defeats over xmas 2003 (Palace and Wimbledon at home) then I absolutely pity the lot of you that went.

Ah, the game where Barry Hunter unleashed his inner Mike Tyson.

[windermere_royal]

- More of the same negative tactics

Are these not the same tactics that everyone on here kept begging for?
"OH we MUST play 4-5-1, oh in 4-5-1 Guthrie will be the next Messi, oh if only we play 4-5-1 everything will be orgasmic!"
So now everyone has changed their tune? I thought 4-5-1 was exactly what you wanted you bunch of goalpostmovers!

- Pogrebnyak being banned for 3 games

'greed! Our laziest and least willing player.

i was wondering where you had got to ..welcome back prick

[BenSmith91]

Pogrebnyak hate is just pathetic. A few weeks a go he could do no wrong and '4-5-1' was the way forward and not starting Le Fondre was 'the right decision - because something was working' - and now, all of a sudden, he is a waste of space. Absolutely no perspective whatsoever.

[sandman]

- More of the same negative tactics

Are these not the same tactics that everyone on here kept begging for?
"OH we MUST play 4-5-1, oh in 4-5-1 Guthrie will be the next Messi, oh if only we play 4-5-1 everything will be orgasmic!"
So now everyone has changed their tune? I thought 4-5-1 was exactly what you wanted you bunch of goalpostmovers!

- Pogrebnyak being banned for 3 games

'greed! Our laziest and least willing player.

No they want 4-4-2 this time and when that inevitably fails they'll say "Why did we switch to 4-4-2? You can't play that in the Premier League, it's too open"