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Re: BFTG Forest

by paddy20 » 02 Jan 2014 09:37

SCIAG Seriously, has nobody ever seen a Nigel Adkins team play before? The man made Ricky Lambert the Championship top scorer, with most assists being provided by the full backs. That doesn't happen if you just pass it around the back. He made Scunthorpe look credible even though they were built around two players, both strikers. Again, that doesn't happen if you are Brendan Rodgers circa 2009 and won't let your players pass it forwards.

I would attack Adkins' coaching, his ability to get the players doing something that works, rather than his "idealism".


I think it does depend on the type of players you have. The big question I think is - do you start with a system and try and make the players play that way - or do you look at your players and then play a system that plays to their strengths? I would suggest that unless you have large funds available to change players the latter would be more effective. I think also one of the worst aspects of Adkins system is how dire and unexciting it is to watch. Football is a business and entertainment. At the moment we are failing on both accounts.

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Re: BFTG Forest

by paddy20 » 02 Jan 2014 09:45

Adkins is saying we have stopped the rot? Anyone who was at the game could clearly see that we probably should have lost 3/4- 0. That was as bad a performance at Home as I have seen this season against an average club.. I do wish Adkins would lower his head from the clouds occasionally and start looking at reality for a change. This persistent positivity all the time is very umm negative.

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Re: BFTG Forest

by ZacNaloen » 02 Jan 2014 10:01

Stopped the rot means we didn't go another game without picking up a point. It means that draw felt like a win. It means maybe, just maybe these players can get a glimmer of confidence back. For some reason it's through the floor.

Can't think why :roll:

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Re: BFTG Forest

by LWJ » 02 Jan 2014 10:15

A lot better than 'Boro.... felt we deserved a point tbf

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Re: BFTG Forest

by paddy20 » 02 Jan 2014 10:17

ZacNaloen Stopped the rot means we didn't go another game without picking up a point. It means that draw felt like a win. It means maybe, just maybe these players can get a glimmer of confidence back. For some reason it's through the floor.

Can't think why :roll:


Understand what you are saying but in all honesty I can't think the players would come away from that feeling any trace of confidence. Oh well must take a leaf out of Adkins book and become positive for 2014. A run from now on takes us to 5th place and we win the playoffs. We get a new owner who says he wants to make us the Man city of the south. Our possession play produces Barcelona like performances and we just qualify for champions league!! Here's hoping!!!


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Re: BFTG Forest

by loyalroyal4life » 02 Jan 2014 10:25

Fair play Blackman, only player who really gave it a go and actually ran at players!

Guthrie is overrated!

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Re: BFTG Forest

by Elm Park Old Boy » 02 Jan 2014 10:54

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SCIAG Seriously, has nobody ever seen a Nigel Adkins team play before? The man made Ricky Lambert the Championship top scorer, with most assists being provided by the full backs. That doesn't happen if you just pass it around the back. He made Scunthorpe look credible even though they were built around two players, both strikers. Again, that doesn't happen if you are Brendan Rodgers circa 2009 and won't let your players pass it forwards.

I would attack Adkins' coaching, his ability to get the players doing something that works, rather than his "idealism".


I think it does depend on the type of players you have. The big question I think is - do you start with a system and try and make the players play that way - or do you look at your players and then play a system that plays to their strengths? I would suggest that unless you have large funds available to change players the latter would be more effective. I think also one of the worst aspects of Adkins system is how dire and unexciting it is to watch. Football is a business and entertainment. At the moment we are failing on both accounts.


And - without wishing to stir up the McDermott vs Adkins yah-boo nonsense - it has to be said that McD was excellent at finding a winning way to play with limited or uneven resources. Even when repeatedly having his best players sold.

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Re: BFTG Forest

by bcubed » 02 Jan 2014 11:24

Schards#2
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Barry the bird boggler Until NA is backed by the board in what he wants to do here there is little point in having a go at him. We need to wait until the mess that is masquerading as ownership gets sorted and hopefully then we'll see things start to develop as he is expecting.


disagree - this is all about Adkins. He sets the team up and tells them what to do. They looked like they didn't have a clue this afternoon.


Adkins isn't responsible for Pearce passing the ball straight into touch from ten yards away, or for Guthrie's inept free kicks, or for McCarthy kicking the ball straight out, or for Le Fondre not touching the ball after coming on.

He has to take some responsibility but, even with all the injuries, the eleven we are putting on the pitch should be capable of producing far better than the utter dross they have served up this season. On paper, our front six is a match for any in the division yet game after game they appear incapable of creating anything whatsoever. These players need to take a long look at themselves and accept they are underpermoning. Including Le Fondre who, for all his wingeing, has been pretty ineffective whenever he has been played, leading scorer or not. The odd tap in doesn't justify him contributing nothing for the rest of the game.

The players are good enough, the manager has an excellent track record so, we can presume, does know what he's doing, so what is wrong? The last time I recall us underperforming as badly as this was under Burns when, as now, we had an owner who wasn't in the country. I won't profess to know why the ownership issue has an impact on the pitch, but I'm pretty convinced it does (maybe a complacency through the club that the man paying the bills isn't watching) and no change of manager or tinkering with the personnel on the pitch in Januray is going to change that.


I'm sure the ownership issue is unsettling but if the players are good enough then the manager must surely take responsibility if they can't perform as a unit?

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Re: BFTG Forest

by Big Ern » 02 Jan 2014 13:13

SPARTA Special mention for Guthrie, who I have always liked and wanted to do well here, but I am starting to agree that he is a problem in midfield.


Even though I am restricted to seeing highlights and the odd live game on t'interweb I have been thinking the same recently. No doubt he is a talented player, but might not be suited to championship football. Thinking back to our last 2 successful promotion campaigns, we had midfielders such as Sidwell, Harper, Ledge and Karacan, hardly that creative but nevertheless players that would drive the team forward with momentum. Guthrie will ping his lovely passes around but with little effect and gives the opposition time to get numbers back and get organized in defence.


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Re: BFTG Forest

by Sanguine » 02 Jan 2014 13:16

The difference being that the likes of Sidwell, Harper, Ledge and Karacan had a decent setup of pacy forwards and wingers around them moving into space and creating gaps. Guthrie is a different sort of player to those, but he must get the ball sometimes, look up, and think 'oh, fcuk this.'

Stick Guthrie in our promotion sides and he'd fit in perfectly well.

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Re: BFTG Forest

by RoyalBlue » 02 Jan 2014 14:11

Schards#2
leon
Barry the bird boggler Until NA is backed by the board in what he wants to do here there is little point in having a go at him. We need to wait until the mess that is masquerading as ownership gets sorted and hopefully then we'll see things start to develop as he is expecting.


disagree - this is all about Adkins. He sets the team up and tells them what to do. They looked like they didn't have a clue this afternoon.


Adkins isn't responsible for Pearce passing the ball straight into touch from ten yards away, or for Guthrie's inept free kicks, or for McCarthy kicking the ball straight out, or for Le Fondre not touching the ball after coming on.

He has to take some responsibility but, even with all the injuries, the eleven we are putting on the pitch should be capable of producing far better than the utter dross they have served up this season. On paper, our front six is a match for any in the division yet game after game they appear incapable of creating anything whatsoever. These players need to take a long look at themselves and accept they are underpermoning. Including Le Fondre who, for all his wingeing, has been pretty ineffective whenever he has been played, leading scorer or not. The odd tap in doesn't justify him contributing nothing for the rest of the game.

The players are good enough, the manager has an excellent track record so, we can presume, does know what he's doing, so what is wrong? The last time I recall us underperforming as badly as this was under Burns when, as now, we had an owner who wasn't in the country. I won't profess to know why the ownership issue has an impact on the pitch, but I'm pretty convinced it does (maybe a complacency through the club that the man paying the bills isn't watching) and no change of manager or tinkering with the personnel on the pitch in Januray is going to change that.



Well said Schards. Good spot on the absentee owner similarity too.

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Re: BFTG Forest

by bcubed » 02 Jan 2014 14:46

Big Ern
SPARTA Special mention for Guthrie, who I have always liked and wanted to do well here, but I am starting to agree that he is a problem in midfield.


Even though I am restricted to seeing highlights and the odd live game on t'interweb I have been thinking the same recently. No doubt he is a talented player, but might not be suited to championship football. Thinking back to our last 2 successful promotion campaigns, we had midfielders such as Sidwell, Harper, Ledge and Karacan, hardly that creative but nevertheless players that would drive the team forward with momentum. Guthrie will ping his lovely passes around but with little effect and gives the opposition time to get numbers back and get organized in defence.



A few weeks back everyone was full of praise for Guthrie (player of the season already sewn up in many minds) so what's changed? In my view it was that he plays much better with Baird behind him allowing him much greater freedom - getting further forward and making less mistakes In critical areas
And maybe making him captain hasn't helped either

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Re: BFTG Forest

by soggy biscuit » 02 Jan 2014 14:51

Schards#2 Adkins isn't responsible for Pearce passing the ball straight into touch from ten yards away


bloke behind me shouted 'oh just f**k off Adkins' when Pearce did that. :lol:


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Re: BFTG Forest

by semtex1871 » 02 Jan 2014 15:01

I really enjoyed the New Year's Day menu in the Royal suite.

To start I had thinly sliced belly of pork, small chunks of black pudding, crackling & celeriac mousse;

Main I had roast beef, potato gratin, roast parsnips with a red currant jus;

For dessert I opted for the rhubard & sherry trifle with honeycomb chunks and spun sugar.

All washed down with a combination of red wine and lager....

....the football was an alright aside to an otherwise enjoyable day!!!!

8)

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Re: BFTG Forest

by soggy biscuit » 02 Jan 2014 15:09

semtex1871 jus


:roll:

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Re: BFTG Forest

by Sanguine » 02 Jan 2014 15:13

semtex1871 jus




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Re: BFTG Forest

by genome » 02 Jan 2014 15:14

Jus gotta be kidding

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Re: BFTG Forest

by semtex1871 » 05 Jan 2014 14:19

Looks like we actually played rather well if todays result against Wet Sham is anything to go by....

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Re: BFTG Forest

by floyd__streete » 05 Jan 2014 14:21

semtex1871 Looks like we actually played rather well if todays result against Wet Sham is anything to go by....

West Ham's youth team.

Still, West Ham getting dicked never gets old.

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Re: BFTG Forest

by Zana Badawi » 05 Jan 2014 19:25

semtex1871 Looks like we actually played rather well if todays result against Wet Sham is anything to go by....


West Ham have a cup semi final in 3 days time.

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