I suppose someone should do it...Overrated Players

[Harold]

Steven Gerrard.

[Rich@Eaststand]

So your actually labelling Marcus 'overrated' because of what other people have said about him?

So you're telling me you don't own that view?

Jesus wept.

What?

My problem is that some fans have him up on some sort of level where he can't be touched.


This doesn't seem to be the case with Marcus, if he is criticised for anything then someone always defends him. An example would be Middlesboro's second goal. Marcus was at fault for this but people were still making excuses for him, Sheffield Utd's goal was Sonko's fault even though Marcus left the near post wide open etc

My point about him being overrated is because so many people have the mind set that he can do no wrong. I just think he makes more mistakes than alot of the other players but it doesn't seem to get noticed.

He is a very good keeper but he is not as perfect as some people make out - but I guess he wouldn't be playing for us if he was!

So you think Marcus is overated not because YOU think he is, but becuase of what other people say?

FFS!

I told you what I thought of him earlier in the thread. I told you that I thought he was a good shot stopper and then I told you where I thought he was weak.

My point it (yet again!) that some people seem to think that he is the best thing since sliced bread and is pretty much flawless. I think this is over the top, therefore I think that he is overrated.

Although I think he is a good player, I do not think he is as good as many people do.

Is that clear enough for you?

[bracknell loyal royal!]

Leroy Lita - By supporters of other clubs.

I remember one guy saying he expected him to be the next Darren Bent, oh how i laughed!

[leon]

Labelling a player who got us to the promised land by stating they're overated is just poor.

You seem to think that I'm saying that he is a bad player - thats not my point.

No hidden meaning in what I write -i t is what it is. You labelled him Overrated, and I say you're out of order. Quite simple really.

Dear me...it's all about opinions...

you're coming across as a bit of a twat - FACT

[Tinrib]

Labelling a player who got us to the promised land by stating they're overated is just poor.

You seem to think that I'm saying that he is a bad player - thats not my point.

No hidden meaning in what I write -i t is what it is. You labelled him Overrated, and I say you're out of order. Quite simple really.

Dear me...it's all about opinions...

you're coming across as a bit of a twat - FACT

Keep out of it Newbie!

[SpaceCruiser]

Ok. Best thing to do about this is to find out how many clean sheets Phil Whitehead and Marcus Hahnemann (and anyone else you care to mention) have kept. Strap?

[Rich@Eaststand]

Ok. Best thing to do about this is to find out how many clean sheets Phil Whitehead and Marcus Hahnemann (and anyone else you care to mention) have kept. Strap?

Spacey - thats really got nothing to do with it!

[SpaceCruiser]

Ok. Best thing to do about this is to find out how many clean sheets Phil Whitehead and Marcus Hahnemann (and anyone else you care to mention) have kept. Strap?

Spacey - thats really got nothing to do with it!

Oh yes, it does!!! The fact is that, the more often a clean sheet is kept, the more often the chances are we will have gained at least one point. Surely the point of goalkeeping is to keep out the ball.

[Rich@Eaststand]

Ok. Best thing to do about this is to find out how many clean sheets Phil Whitehead and Marcus Hahnemann (and anyone else you care to mention) have kept. Strap?

Spacey - thats really got nothing to do with it!

Oh yes, it does!!! The fact is that, the more often a clean sheet is kept, the more often the chances are we will have gained at least one point. Surely the point of goalkeeping is to keep out the ball.

All it will prove is that Marcus is better than Whitehead which no one apart from you is talking about.

[SpaceCruiser]

Ok. Best thing to do about this is to find out how many clean sheets Phil Whitehead and Marcus Hahnemann (and anyone else you care to mention) have kept. Strap?

Spacey - thats really got nothing to do with it!

Oh yes, it does!!! The fact is that, the more often a clean sheet is kept, the more often the chances are we will have gained at least one point. Surely the point of goalkeeping is to keep out the ball.

All it will prove is that Marcus is better than Whitehead which no one apart from you is talking about.

So who would you rate as better than Hahnemann then?

[Rich@Eaststand]

Ok. Best thing to do about this is to find out how many clean sheets Phil Whitehead and Marcus Hahnemann (and anyone else you care to mention) have kept. Strap?

Spacey - thats really got nothing to do with it!

Oh yes, it does!!! The fact is that, the more often a clean sheet is kept, the more often the chances are we will have gained at least one point. Surely the point of goalkeeping is to keep out the ball.

All it will prove is that Marcus is better than Whitehead which no one apart from you is talking about.

So who would you rate as better than Hahnemann then?

Spacey - thats not my point!!!

[wiggso]

being over-rated is all about opinions, hanemans quality is not being questioned, people are allowed to believe that the hype he gets is over the top just as people are allowed to think it is fair!! being over-rated or under-rated is to do with what other people say about a player and not a personal opinion of his quality!!! my personal opinion is that he is not over-rated but i can understand people thinking he is!!! ps as soon as you start insulting the person you are debating with you leave yourself open to people ignoring the points you have made!!!!!
anyway my vote is mass sarr

[SpaceCruiser]

Ok. Best thing to do about this is to find out how many clean sheets Phil Whitehead and Marcus Hahnemann (and anyone else you care to mention) have kept. Strap?

Spacey - thats really got nothing to do with it!

Oh yes, it does!!! The fact is that, the more often a clean sheet is kept, the more often the chances are we will have gained at least one point. Surely the point of goalkeeping is to keep out the ball.

All it will prove is that Marcus is better than Whitehead which no one apart from you is talking about.

So who would you rate as better than Hahnemann then?

Spacey - thats not my point!!!

It is, considering that he's our best ever keeper which you say is over rated. If you cannot name a Reading keeper who was better then I think you have lost the argument.

[wiggso]

Ok. Best thing to do about this is to find out how many clean sheets Phil Whitehead and Marcus Hahnemann (and anyone else you care to mention) have kept. Strap?

Spacey - thats really got nothing to do with it!

Oh yes, it does!!! The fact is that, the more often a clean sheet is kept, the more often the chances are we will have gained at least one point. Surely the point of goalkeeping is to keep out the ball.

All it will prove is that Marcus is better than Whitehead which no one apart from you is talking about.

So who would you rate as better than Hahnemann then?

Spacey - thats not my point!!!

It is, considering that he's our best ever keeper which you say is over rated. If you cannot name a Reading keeper who was better then I think you have lost the argument.

jimmy quinn

[Rich@Eaststand]

being over-rated is all about opinions, hanemans quality is not being questioned, people are allowed to believe that the hype he gets is over the top just as people are allowed to think it is fair!! being over-rated or under-rated is to do with what other people say about a player and not a personal opinion of his quality!!! my personal opinion is that he is not over-rated but i can understand people thinking he is!!! ps as soon as you start insulting the person you are debating with you leave yourself open to people ignoring the points you have made!!!!!
anyway my vote is mass sarr

If it had been the most over rated player then Mass Sarr would get my vote too and we would of had any conversations about Marcus either!

Good post too

[SpaceCruiser]

Mass Sarr came with a decent reputation and he did play extremely well in his first two appearances in a Reading shirt. But after that it all went downhill.

[URZZ]

Mass Sarr came with a decent reputation and he did play extremely well in his first two appearances in a Reading shirt. But after that it all went downhill.

I'll never forget one dive he did... it was oxf*rd hillarious...

A player slid into the side of him, but hardly made any contact at all, and he did about 3 rolls, 6ft up in the air

[Stranded]

Ok. Best thing to do about this is to find out how many clean sheets Phil Whitehead and Marcus Hahnemann (and anyone else you care to mention) have kept. Strap?

Spacey - thats really got nothing to do with it!

Oh yes, it does!!! The fact is that, the more often a clean sheet is kept, the more often the chances are we will have gained at least one point. Surely the point of goalkeeping is to keep out the ball.

All it will prove is that Marcus is better than Whitehead which no one apart from you is talking about.

So who would you rate as better than Hahnemann then?

Spacey - thats not my point!!!

It is, considering that he's our best ever keeper which you say is over rated. If you cannot name a Reading keeper who was better then I think you have lost the argument.

He's good but he's certainly not our best ever. Shaka was certainly a better all round goalkeeper for a start.

[Rich@Eaststand]

It is, considering that he's our best ever keeper which you say is over rated. If you cannot name a Reading keeper who was better then I think you have lost the argument.

Ahhhh - You're not getting what I'm saying Spacey!

Just to humour you though I think Shaka was better - Marcus is certainly second in the players that I have watched but I'm sure older supporters would argue for Steve Death.

Spacey, I'm not saying that Marcus isn't a good keeper, I just think he isn't as good as some people make out but I've already said all this, maybe you just aren't getting my point.

[Boston Royal]

I can't believe how posters have gone through 6 pages failing to understand Rich's point: expressed clearly, multiple times, without the need to be cocky and insult, and to call opinions "facts".

Marcus is a fantastic keeper. He's even more amazing compared to what we paid for him (nothing): he might be one of the best free transfer signings we've ever made. He was a core member of our best ever team, and single-handedly won us many points.

But as Rich said, this thread is about being over-rated. Therefore, it's about how good a player is compared to how he is commonly rated - NOT how much he cost, and not compared to a predecessor (Whitehead). Someone said he'd only take 4 other keepers above him. I don't think it's unrealistic for Rich to believe that Marcus is lower than the 5th best keeper in the Prem. His start to the Prem season has been IMHO mediocre. IMHO as this is all about opinions.

This thread is not about crap players. A crap player is a player everyone thinks is crap. Such a player is fairly rated, because he is as crap as commonly believed. It's not about good players for the opposite reason. Lampard can be one of the best midfielders in England but still overrated.
Almost by definition, if you're considering someone over-rated, there'll be people will disagree with you, since you think the average opinion of the player is too high. So that people disagree with Rich doesn't mean he's wrong.

I'm sure the replies to this will make me wonder why I bothered rational reasoning, but you can always live in hope.