Kitson and irony

[JC]

I can assure you it occurred in the tunnel and Mr Kitson told Mr Gullit exactly what he thought of him!

[bigmike]

People are entitled to their opinions in football and that's what Ruud Gullit was there for yesterday. So for Kitson (if its the case) to get upset over Gullits comments is a bit silly.

By the sounds of it Kits wasn;t reacting to any comments made on TV. If Gullit did indeed approach Kits and offer him 'advice' of this sort then Kits has every right to tell him where to stick his advice. It would have been totally out of order for Gullit to talk to Kits in that way and at that time.

If Gullit did approach Kitson and comment on his 'tackle' after the game, then that is out of order!

According to a mate, they *bumped* into each other after the game.

Bumped to each other after the game... What was Ruud Chelsea fan Gullit doing in the tunnell?

Who said anything about a tunnel? Some post-match hospitality suite somewhere, I guess.

Numerous press reports stated it was in the tunnell however I did also read one that stated that Mr Gullit walked in to the dressing room to confront Kitson.

Either way he had no right being there he was paid by Sky as a Pundit surely he should realise thats as far as his opinion goes.

[Cripple Creek]

I don't think anyone can complain about the red card but maybe Kitso was fair to confront Gullit on the basis that the man is a bit of a tit. The moment when he asked Garth Crooksy years ago whether Newcastle were right to sack him was one of the most priceless bits of crap journalism and cliched footballer I have ever witnessed. (Crooksy is a nice man but should never have been allowed near a mike).

[bigmike]

I don't think anyone can complain about the red card but maybe Kitso was fair to confront Gullit on the basis that the man is a bit of a tit. The moment when he asked Garth Crooksy years ago whether Newcastle were right to sack him was one of the most priceless bits of crap journalism and cliched footballer I have ever witnessed. (Crooksy is a nice man but should never have been allowed near a mike).

From what I have been told Gullit confronted Kitson.

I do also think that several people can complain about the red card as it was a yellow card offence

[Behindu]

I do also think that several people can complain about the red card as it was a yellow card offence

Please state the offence...

[bigmike]

I do also think that several people can complain about the red card as it was a yellow card offence

Please state the offence...

It was a late challenge.. reckless but I would not have thought dangerous

[wolsey]

I do also think that several people can complain about the red card as it was a yellow card offence

Please state the offence...

It was a late challenge.. reckless but I would not have thought dangerous

the same sort of challenge that only received a yellow card in the Peterboro Southampton game last night

[Behindu]

I do also think that several people can complain about the red card as it was a yellow card offence

Please state the offence...

It was a late challenge.. reckless but I would not have thought dangerous

I don't think a late, reckless challenge is a cautionable offence though as such.

It's totally about interpretation and in reality it's an awful lot more likley that a 'late reckless challenge' is going to get a red card than yellow one as it is closer to violent conduct or serious foul play than it is to unsporting behaviour.

[PEARCEY]

Thought Kitson's challenge was pretty stupid and unnecessary particularly at that part of the pitch but it was not as reckless as Riggott's on him last August so there is again a lack of refereeing consistency. Kitson does seem very angry these days and needs to do his talking on he pitch. He put the rest of the team under more pressure with his actions and could have cost us a valuable point. That apart it was a supremely disciplined performance but I hope it is 4-4-2 against the Blues

[Hoop Blah]

I do also think that several people can complain about the red card as it was a yellow card offence

Please state the offence...

I'm lost as to what your view is Behindu. You seem to picking at posts in this thread without actually giving much of an opinion on the events so I was wondering what your take on the red card was?

[Behindu]

I'd love to think Kits was hard done by, but I don;t think it was ever going to be anything other than a red card.
As has been said, it's the sort of challenge he makes a lot, but the line between a great block and a bad tackle is a narrow one when you fly in full blast from 10 yards away and this time Kits got it wrong.
It's a risk he has to accept if he wants to make that sort of tackle - they won;t all come off and some refs will see them differently to others.
He could have caused a bad injury - his foot was off the ground and he timing was bad.
If it had only been a yellow I think there would have been equal dismay from United fans, and if it had been Rooney on Murty I'm not sure he'd have walked.
So my view is that whilst it may have been a tight call it is one that can;t really be disputed - it was a pointless challenge and the only one to criticise in it is Kits.

[bigmike]

I do also think that several people can complain about the red card as it was a yellow card offence

Please state the offence...

It was a late challenge.. reckless but I would not have thought dangerous

I don't think a late, reckless challenge is a cautionable offence though as such.

It's totally about interpretation and in reality it's an awful lot more likley that a 'late reckless challenge' is going to get a red card than yellow one as it is closer to violent conduct or serious foul play than it is to unsporting behaviour.

violent conduct ??? behave it was a slightly late challenge Violent conduct is intentional.

for it to be a red card there has to have been intent and having looked at the challenge several times Kitsons eyes are on the ball not the player. I think we all know Kitson was going for the ball even Alan shearer knows it.

I would not have sent him off for that and many other referees will say the same. Infact all the Manu fans I have spoken to have said that it was a really harsh red card

[Behindu]

I do also think that several people can complain about the red card as it was a yellow card offence

Please state the offence...

It was a late challenge.. reckless but I would not have thought dangerous

I don't think a late, reckless challenge is a cautionable offence though as such.

It's totally about interpretation and in reality it's an awful lot more likley that a 'late reckless challenge' is going to get a red card than yellow one as it is closer to violent conduct or serious foul play than it is to unsporting behaviour.

violent conduct ??? behave it was a slightly late challenge Violent conduct is intentional.

for it to be a red card there has to have been intent and having looked at the challenge several times Kitsons eyes are on the ball not the player. I think we all know Kitson was going for the ball even Alan shearer knows it.

I would not have sent him off for that and many other referees will say the same. Infact all the Manu fans I have spoken to have said that it was a really harsh red card

Violent conduct or serious foul play....

It was late, studs up and foot off the ground.

What offence would you have cautioned him for ? You can refer to the laws of the game for the offences which merit a caution.

If 0 is a clear yellow and 10 a straight red then I'd agree it might only be a 6 - just across the line between yellow and red, but you can;t just arbitrarily decide it was 'only' a yellow - there are specified offences for which a yellow is given and for which a red is given and a 'late, reckless challenge' is always going to be a contender for a red.

Are you a qualified ref ? If so you won;t have a problem explaining with reference to the Laws or directives the reason why that tackle could only have been a yellow.

[Kitsondinho]

I was there on sunday and my first reaction was that it was a yellow. However, I was not surprised that he was sent off. Styles did react to the crowd, he did react to Evra and he wouldn't have sent Evra off if it had been the other way around. However, this is will be the case for any team that goes to OT baring Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. Ruud has a right to his opinion, but why did he get involved with Kits? What purpose does it serve? Its just sad, even if Kits started it!

[The Goat was fed]

This thread's title is misleading.

I thought Irony was a new signing and potentially Kitson's strike partner.

[Gordons Cumming]

The tackle was reckless.

End of.

If he was blocking the ball why was he aiming so close to the player? That incident is always likely to happen when a player lunges in that way.

Definate red for me.

Idiot.

[Hoop Blah]

The tackle was reckless.

End of.

If he was blocking the ball why was he aiming so close to the player? That incident is always likely to happen when a player lunges in that way.
Definate red for me.

Idiot.

Because that's where the ball was when he was aiming to block it. Unfortunately he mistimed it and got the player not the ball.

Behindu...I pretty much agree with your last few posts on the options available to Styles, but more often than not I think that tackle will receive a yellow, not a red, purley because ref's hardly ever apply the letter of the law.

[brendywendy]

The tackle was reckless.

End of.

If he was blocking the ball why was he aiming so close to the player? That incident is always likely to happen when a player lunges in that way.
Definate red for me.

Idiot.

Because that's where the ball was when he was aiming to block it. Unfortunately he mistimed it and got the player not the ball.

Behindu...I pretty much agree with your last few posts on the options available to Styles, but more often than not I think that tackle will receive a yellow, not a red, purley because ref's hardly ever apply the letter of the law.

it will receive a red about as many times as it will go unpunsished
the huge majority would get a yellow
unless at OT

[Behindu]

Can anyone recall the last RFC red card that wasn;t roundly condemned as 'excessive' ?

Sonks was unlucky cos the Villa guy tripped over his legs, Sodje was sent off for fouling a bloke who was already offside, Bikey got a second yellow for a nothing touch on Drogba etc etc etc

Do Reading players never do it properly and deck a player in full view of the ref or punch the ball off the goal line ?

[brendywendy]

Can anyone recall the last RFC red card that wasn;t roundly condemned as 'excessive' ?

Sonks was unlucky cos the Villa guy tripped over his legs, Sodje was sent off for fouling a bloke who was already offside, Bikey got a second yellow for a nothing touch on Drogba etc etc etc

Do Reading players never do it properly and deck a player in full view of the ref or punch the ball off the goal line ?

is this why all the chelsea fans roundly condemn my assessment of the hunt challenge on cech despite clear evidence to contradict their view

"football fans are partisan" shocker