Kitson for England

Victor Meldrew · by **Victor Meldrew** » 06 Oct 2007 19:43

Victor Meldrew Apparently Ashton is now doubtful for the European qualifiers with a knee injury.
So come on Dave,a couple of goals tomorrow and you could get that call-up.
Let's hear it tomorrow "Kitson for England".

er...Dirk I beat you to it by a few minutes.

Good news for our boy.

Dirk Gently · by **Dirk Gently** » 06 Oct 2007 19:48

Apologies - but at least I was more specific about the injury!

Smoking Kills Dancing Doe · by **Smoking Kills Dancing Doe** » 06 Oct 2007 19:48

I reckon Lita will be ahead of Kits in McClaren's pecking order, both behind Nugent. McClaren always liked picking players from the U21s.

Hahnemann's Hairdresser · by **Hahnemann's Hairdresser** » 06 Oct 2007 19:51

Dirk Gently Ashton is out for a while with medial knee ligament damage so the slight, theoretical, chance gets that little bit closer.

I am genuinly gutted for Ashton. Very good striker that deserves an England call up.

Back to the topic however, I'll agree with Diddy on this one, Kitson (barring a host of injuries to other strikers) will not get an England call up. There are too many people infront of him in the queue. Taking for granted that Owen, if fit, will fill one of the 2 front line berths then Rooney, Ashton, Crouch, Heskey, Bent, Johnson, Defoe, a change of formation to 4-5-1 to accomodate an attacking midfielder, Nugent, probably Derbyshire are all ahead of Kitson. Rightly or wrongly that is the situation at the current time. Personally I don't think Kitson is good enough for England, not enough pace for international football, probably a few years too old to break onto the international scene and very injury prone.

Smoking Kills Dancing Doe · by **Smoking Kills Dancing Doe** » 06 Oct 2007 20:01

Also think about how much benefit Kits gets from these breaks. Him going away with England would be bad for his fitness imo. I know people will be disappointed if he doesn't get the call, he's been playing well. But I think for us it would be a good thing....

winchester_royal · by **winchester_royal** » 06 Oct 2007 20:54

kitson has as much hope as getting in the squad as i have

he deserves to, but mclaren doesnt have the balls to take the risk

he will probably call up robbie fowler instead

Alan Partridge · by **Alan Partridge** » 07 Oct 2007 00:34

There is no way we should be starting a Kitson for England chant! He's only just about got himself fit for a month, you really want him off travelling and playing more games? He'll break down with some random injury.

In all seriousness he's not good enough. He's very much so good enough for Reading, he's our talisman in many ways. He's awkward, reasonably good in the air, although IMO not as good as he should be. Can score goals, and he is vitaly important for Reading at the moment.

But internationally? If he was Welsh or Irish he'd be in, no doubts. but England? Nah.

There are too many other options, who are younger, fitter and all in all and 'easier' pick for McLaren. It's easier for him to pick Defoe than Kitson even though he hasn't played much.

Kitson is FINALLY starting to prove he can cut it at this level and IMO should not even be considered for England at this time.

Arch · by **Arch** » 07 Oct 2007 02:33

winchester_royal kitson has as much hope as getting in the squad as i have

he deserves to, but mclaren doesnt have the balls to take the risk

he will probably call up robbie fowler instead

Can you honestly put your hand on your heart and say you believe that?

The whole year inn · by **The whole year inn** » 07 Oct 2007 02:40

LOL @ Dave Kitson pulling on an England shirt.

Can't believe this has reached 6 pages

winchester_royal · by **winchester_royal** » 07 Oct 2007 09:49

Arch
winchester_royal kitson has as much hope as getting in the squad as i have

he deserves to, but mclaren doesnt have the balls to take the risk

he will probably call up robbie fowler instead
Can you honestly put your hand on your heart and say you believe that?

yeah i do, there is no english striker playing better

whether that just says something about the state of the national team........

Victor Meldrew · by **Victor Meldrew** » 07 Oct 2007 10:43

winchester_royal
Arch
winchester_royal kitson has as much hope as getting in the squad as i have

he deserves to, but mclaren doesnt have the balls to take the risk

he will probably call up robbie fowler instead
Can you honestly put your hand on your heart and say you believe that?

yeah i do, there is no english striker playing better

whether that just says something about the state of the national team........

That is the other point Winchester that so many have missed.
In a vintage era Dave wouldn't get anywhere near a place but there just aren't any big, strong central strikers around that are English.
Those talking about Defoe,Johnson and Lita do completely miss the point-we already ave little stikers in Owen and Rooney so make your comparisons with them.
It looks as though McLaren (rightly or wrongly)has hit upon the big man/little man strike force and therefore Kitson is compared with Heskey,Crouch and Ashton and two of those are injured.

So why not Kitson for England?
It's not his fault that there are so few decent strikers of his type as it wasn't Shorey's fault that there are so few decent left-backs around.
Shorey got lucky so why can't Kitson get lucky?

Apparently Ashton was hopeless yesterday before his injury and I am yet to be convinced that he is any better than our Dave.

winchester_royal · by **winchester_royal** » 07 Oct 2007 10:50

Victor Meldrew
winchester_royal
Arch
winchester_royal kitson has as much hope as getting in the squad as i have

he deserves to, but mclaren doesnt have the balls to take the risk

he will probably call up robbie fowler instead
Can you honestly put your hand on your heart and say you believe that?

yeah i do, there is no english striker playing better

whether that just says something about the state of the national team........

That is the other point Winchester that so many have missed.
In a vintage era Dave wouldn't get anywhere near a place but there just aren't any big, strong central strikers around that are English.
Those talking about Defoe,Johnson and Lita do completely miss the point-we already ave little stikers in Owen and Rooney so make your comparisons with them.
It looks as though McLaren (rightly or wrongly)has hit upon the big man/little man strike force and therefore Kitson is compared with Heskey,Crouch and Ashton and two of those are injured.

So why not Kitson for England?
It's not his fault that there are so few decent strikers of his type as it wasn't Shorey's fault that there are so few decent left-backs around.
Shorey got lucky so why can't Kitson get lucky?

Apparently Ashton was hopeless yesterday before his injury and I am yet to be convinced that he is any better than our Dave.

exactly, and i also think that kitsons creative work is underated, that pass to harper against wigan was genious, he isnt just a poacher

Victor Meldrew · by **Victor Meldrew** » 27 Oct 2007 20:52

After seeing one of England's strikers hardly having a kick today (partly due to the lack of service) I bet Newcastle would have liked Kitson playing alongside him today as MAYBE one day he might for England.
Well played big Dave and IMHO there are no better English target central strikers around and I include Crouch,Heskey and Ashton.
Crouch is less mobile
Heskey is less of a goalscorer
Ashton is slower and weaker in the air.

Playing the two midgets against Russia it was crying out for a big man to get amongst their central defenders and with Heskey and Ashton injured I genuinely believe that our man would not have been out of place.
What he really needs is a decent game v Arsenal in the game which is live on TV for Mc Laren (or his successor) to take notice.
Man of the match performance today Dave-keep on performing like that and who knows?

Man Friday · by **Man Friday** » 27 Oct 2007 20:59

The whole year inn LOL @ Dave Kitson pulling on an England shirt.

Can't believe this has reached 6 pages

Nah, you're right, let's continue with Barton, Owen, etc, 'cos they play for a BIG team. Weren't they superb today. Made Kitson look like a Reading player.

Pool and Darts · by **Pool and Darts** » 27 Oct 2007 21:18

I have always thought that Kitson was capable of great things.

I really believe he is the most under-rated player in our squad.

He is a genuinely good footballer.

I can't believe the number of flicks and great creative passes he plays that seem to go completely un-noticed by pretty much everyone.

The one-two with Sidders against Villa last season, the number of lay offs like the one for Harps to score the first against Derby in promotion season, the reverse pass for Harps to score this season.

I could go on.

The couple of things that work against him reaching his full potential are obviously his injury-proneness, and the fact that he gets stuck in with the tackles, a fact that often causes the previous issue.

I really rate Kitson.

In fact, I made sure he was right up there in my rankings for the Times fantasy football, to make sure I got him in my team.

The major thing that will stop him being picked for England, is the fact that the spineless oxf*rd that run English football never pick players on form, they would rather go with reputation or the status of their club.

It could also be a poisoned chalice too, like others have mentioned, as the risk of injury, or even being poached by a 'bigger' club once that first cap appears is always there.

I have no doubt he is good enough for England. After all, look where Rooney, Owen etc. have got England in this campaign?!?!?

Pool and Darts · by **Pool and Darts** » 27 Oct 2007 21:28

Also, nothing to do with the football side, but he is actually a 'real' person.

He is not just one of the media-robot-idiot-cliche-spouting-brain-dead-book-writing-footballer-morons that I get so sick of seeing interviewed on MOTD.

The first time my wife saw him interviewed on the telly she was amazed, and said words to the effect of : "bloody hell, a footballer that isn't brain-dead, that makes a change!"

Voice of the people that man.

One day we will look back and Dave Kitson will regarded as a true Reading legend. May he stay here forever!

Ian Royal · by **Ian Royal** » 27 Oct 2007 21:45

Pool and Darts Also, nothing to do with the football side, but he is actually a 'real' person.

He is not just one of the media-robot-idiot-cliche-spouting-brain-dead-book-writing-footballer-morons that I get so sick of seeing interviewed on MOTD.

The first time my wife saw him interviewed on the telly she was amazed, and said words to the effect of : "bloody hell, a footballer that isn't brain-dead, that makes a change!"

Voice of the people that man.

One day we will look back and Dave Kitson will regarded as a true Reading legend. May he stay here forever!

possibly the greatest all round striker we've had!

working class hero · by **working class hero** » 27 Oct 2007 21:48

Kitson was brilliant today.Occasionally his flicks look poor - mainly because the intended recipient wasn't bright enough to see the possibility. Imagine him playing next to Torres and it would be superb. Rather more likely to happen in Liverpool than Reading mind!

Victor Meldrew · by **Victor Meldrew** » 27 Oct 2007 22:33

working class hero Kitson was brilliant today.Occasionally his flicks look poor - mainly because the intended recipient wasn't bright enough to see the possibility. Imagine him playing next to Torres and it would be superb. Rather more likely to happen in Liverpool than Reading mind!

Don't forget we have money to spend in January.

working class hero · by **working class hero** » 28 Oct 2007 00:20

Victor Meldrew
working class hero Kitson was brilliant today.Occasionally his flicks look poor - mainly because the intended recipient wasn't bright enough to see the possibility. Imagine him playing next to Torres and it would be superb. Rather more likely to happen in Liverpool than Reading mind!

Don't forget we have money to spend in January.

I don't believe it.....

Kitson for England

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