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[Deathy]

For every club that suceeds after a knee jerk sacking of a manager after 10 games or so in charge, there are scores that are no more succesful, and even LESS succesful.

eg: Charlton sacking Dowie, Derby sacking Davies etc etc.

Right now, the only things that will happen if BR goes this season is MORE disruption, MORE expenditure for little return, and MORE angst. What the club needs right now is a period of stability; give BR the time to sort things out, get the blend of the team right, and yes, learn from his mistakes. We will finish mid table this season which will be fine for our club after the departure of our most succesful manager ever, and the departure of so many experienced, quality players in such a short space of time.

Next season will be the time to judge whether BR is right for the club or not FOR THE LONG TERM.

Good post. But even if we're in League 1?

[Man Friday]

This thread shows why The Team board has got progressively worse over the years.

Care to elaborate...?

[Ian Royal]

For every club that suceeds after a knee jerk sacking of a manager after 10 games or so in charge, there are scores that are no more succesful, and even LESS succesful.

eg: Charlton sacking Dowie, Derby sacking Davies etc etc.

Right now, the only things that will happen if BR goes this season is MORE disruption, MORE expenditure for little return, and MORE angst. What the club needs right now is a period of stability; give BR the time to sort things out, get the blend of the team right, and yes, learn from his mistakes. We will finish mid table this season which will be fine for our club after the departure of our most succesful manager ever, and the departure of so many experienced, quality players in such a short space of time.

Next season will be the time to judge whether BR is right for the club or not FOR THE LONG TERM.

That's because there are different circumstances to be considered in all those sackings. Sacking a manager in a team that are generally poor, because they aren't achieving expected results is stupid.

Sacking a manager who's team is underperforming for their ability, whilst he is showing poor management skills and they are in danger of being relegated is fairly sensible.

Reading FC should not be relegated this season, We are in significant danger of being relegated under Rodgers with few glimpses of hope. We can't afford to throw away everything we've built over the last 12 years just to give Rodgers time to prove he was the wrong choice.

If he stays out the season and gets us relegated there's then no point in sacking him at all. We may as well give him a full second season at the lower level. It's not like he'll do a great deal more damage after that.

[Man Friday]

I agree with all of that.

[rhroyal]

Generally sacking a manager doesn't work when the squad is poor anyway. However a squad containing O'Dea, Bertrand, Ivar, Mills, Hunt, Matejovsky, Tabb, Karacan, Gyfli, Long, even Rasiak with his record at this level and even Kebe with his ability to win a match on a good day should not go down. Not a promotion winning squad in my view, but certainly not a squad that should be where we are right now.

[Hoop Blah]

Generally sacking a manager doesn't work when the squad is poor anyway. However a squad containing O'Dea, Bertrand, Ivar, Mills, Hunt, Matejovsky, Tabb, Karacan, Gyfli, Long, even Rasiak with his record at this level and even Kebe with his ability to win a match on a good day should not go down. Not a promotion winning squad in my view, but certainly not a squad that should be where we are right now.

Although I don't think you're looking at it as a squad that's basically learning how to play together as well as just bringing together their combined talents.

I'm not sure you're list of talent actually supports the arguement that the team is under performing though.

[Millsy]

For every club that suceeds after a knee jerk sacking of a manager after 10 games or so in charge, there are scores that are no more succesful, and even LESS succesful.

eg: Charlton sacking Dowie, Derby sacking Davies etc etc.

Right now, the only things that will happen if BR goes this season is MORE disruption, MORE expenditure for little return, and MORE angst. What the club needs right now is a period of stability; give BR the time to sort things out, get the blend of the team right, and yes, learn from his mistakes. We will finish mid table this season which will be fine for our club after the departure of our most succesful manager ever, and the departure of so many experienced, quality players in such a short space of time.

Next season will be the time to judge whether BR is right for the club or not FOR THE LONG TERM.

Good post.

Unfortunately most people have the patience of a maggot.

Actually I have no idea how patient maggots are, but I like the sentence.

[Ryn]

Generally sacking a manager doesn't work when the squad is poor anyway. However a squad containing O'Dea, Bertrand, Ivar, Mills, Hunt, Matejovsky, Tabb, Karacan, Gyfli, Long, even Rasiak with his record at this level and even Kebe with his ability to win a match on a good day should not go down. Not a promotion winning squad in my view, but certainly not a squad that should be where we are right now.

+1

[Deathy]

Better teams have been releagted though.

[Uke]

Wasn't there a team in the Prem two years ago who all the "experts" said were too good to go down?

Can't remember who it was, Fulham I think, or was it another one?

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

Wasn't there a team in the Prem two years ago who all the "experts" said were too good to go down?

Can't remember who it was, Fulham I think, or was it another one?

I do not think it was Fulham as they were already down by Christmas, having changed managers and all that.

[(.)Boobies(.)]

Reading.

[ROY AL]

ref rhroyal: I am in agreement with the players you named that we should be ok, however most of them have played less than a quarter of all games so far.

[Deathy]

FON

[Ryn]

Wasn't there a team in the Prem two years ago who all the "experts" said were too good to go down?

Can't remember who it was, Fulham I think, or was it another one?

I do not think it was Fulham as they were already down by Christmas, having changed managers and all that.

And look at them now, they're shit.

[rhroyal]

ref rhroyal: I am in agreement with the players you named that we should be ok, however most of them have played less than a quarter of all games so far.

And why? Hunt started the season injured but after scoring two against Barnsley has largely been kept out of the team by Rasiak and Church. Matejovsky played in the cup against Burton Albion but can't get a look in with league games. Tabb has always been fit. However the players have been kept out of the team by inferior players, and I think it's because they are Coppell's players, not Rogders'. He wants his own team and will sacrifice better players to achieve this. I'll grant that he has had little control over Ivar and Long, and that he can't play everybody at once. However, Howard ahead of Sigurdsson and Matejovsky? Our hardest working and most willing striker not spearheading a 4-5-1? Rodgers has made some serious errors so far and the sooner he learns the better (come to mention it that last statement would apply even if we were running away at the top) .

[floyd__streete]

If he stays out the season and gets us relegated there's then no point in sacking him at all. We may as well give him a full second season at the lower level. It's not like he'll do a great deal more damage after that.

Rather absurd point of view there, Ian. If in August we find ourselves in League One then I would expect that Rodgers would have departed long before then, having failed badly and paid with his job.

[Ian Royal]

If he stays out the season and gets us relegated there's then no point in sacking him at all. We may as well give him a full second season at the lower level. It's not like he'll do a great deal more damage after that.

Rather absurd point of view there, Ian. If in August we find ourselves in League One then I would expect that Rodgers would have departed long before then, having failed badly and paid with his job.

I don't see the point. Why change when the damage is already done. He's an inexperienced manager and a season of failure with us may have taught him a lot. We know a lot of our younger players (who IMO would be likely to stay) are good enough for that level, so it shouldn't be too difficult to take us up / get us contending for promotion. Even losing the more established players that remain like Howard (please), Armstrong, Kebe (shame ), Hunt, Rasiak, Matejovsky, Ivar, Mills.

At that point I'd rather we had continuity than a change too late to keep us up.

But then I thought we may as well give Bullivant another season lower down, rather than bring in someone who would never save us anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I think Rodgers is the wrong man and should go. But if it hasn't happened by February what's the fricking point!

[working class hero]

Wasn't there a team in the Prem two years ago who all the "experts" said were too good to go down?

Can't remember who it was, Fulham I think, or was it another one?

If it was Fulham then the experts were correct...

[Ian Royal]

Wasn't there a team in the Prem two years ago who all the "experts" said were too good to go down?

Can't remember who it was, Fulham I think, or was it another one?

If it was Fulham then the experts were correct...

I'll give you two clues. It wasn't Fulham and it ended in "g"