Back from the game (FOREST)

[Ian Royal]

So Howard starting the next game with Karacan then presumably? Hopefully Sig back for the left.

Then we have a choice of Rasiak, Church, Thor and Long upfront. I'd be tempted to go with Thor and Rasiak, with Church to be used as an impact sub, but no idea how Thor performed against Forest.

I reckon Ivar'll get another game or two at least, probably Griffin too.

Harsh on Tabb, but Karacan must be ahead of him and you'd surely think Griffin will get more than one game before being dropped and Tabb is slotted back into right back?

[Royal With Cheese]

Griffin badly needs match prictice and frankly the only way he's going to get it is to play.

At least Tabb is versatile and will get on during most matches. Griffen has to be given 2-3 more games to get back into the groove.

Thor looked "industrious" - like Archie Lovell used to. Thought for a debut he did well.

[Maguire]

Spot on Maguire, I'm actually prepared to give McDermott a chance and yesterday's result hasn't really influenced my opinions as we were always likely to get beaten, but some of the anti-Rodgers crap from the usual culprits is cringeworthy.

Exactly the same here - i'm not judging B-Mac on this result and will give him a fair chance but the anti-Rodgers stuff across the board is totally embarrassing.

I actually think RwC is generally decent and isn't really my target here but as you say if you lose 2-1 you lose 2-1 regardless of whether you got better when the game had already been lost or slip away from a winning position. Using a defeat under McDermott to have a pop at Rodgers is just crazy . I even saw someone after the Liverpool game saying Shane Long's shitness this season was Rodgers' fault :-/ What a way to excuse a player who simply hasn't been pulling his weight.

On the subject of results - comparing the start of Rodger's reign with the start of McDermott's is comparing apples with pears. Rodgers was the one who had to go through the process of rotating his squad each week, seeing what each player could do, signing some new players (eg. Rasiak) and eventually start to field a settled side. McDermott doesn't have to do any of that because it's already been done. The fairer comparison would be that of the first games under Brian compared with the last few under Rodgers. Lest we forget, W2, D3, L2, and the only reason Scunthorpe was a draw was because Sigurdsson had a shocker in front of goal.

Perspective please people. I agree that Rodgers talked a lot of shit but that doesn't give you lot an excuse to as well.

[floyd__streete]

What a way to excuse a player who simply hasn't been pulling his weight.

To be fair though, there is plenty of weight for him to pull.

[John Madejski's Wallet]

My sole contribution to the Rogers-mcd debate is purely one of game reading

Speaking as someone who DIDN'T want Rogers sacked as I thought we were starting to get it together (and I was starting to get optimistic about staying up), my one huge criticism of Rogers as a manager was his complete inability to read a game of football even half as well as an armchair supporter. I have however been impressed at MCD's ability to do this and make decisive changed

Now he just needs to translate that to starting tactics/motivation before I feel able to pass judgement on him..... Royalee's correct, its no good shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted

[FiNeRaIn]

It's more likely they just had less in the tank after the Liverpool match.

So why did forest tire before us then and we dominate the second half?
Should be the other way around so not having that one.

[Platypuss]

It's more likely they just had less in the tank after the Liverpool match.

So why did forest tire before us then and we dominate the second half?
Should be the other way around so not having that one.

Mebbe, just mebbe, they eased off because they were 2-0 up...?

[FiNeRaIn]

It's more likely they just had less in the tank after the Liverpool match.

So why did forest tire before us then and we dominate the second half?
Should be the other way around so not having that one.

Mebbe, just mebbe, they eased off because they were 2-0 up...?

Possibly, it may also be the fact they were down to ten men, they also could have been tired.

But that aside, we should not have been tired and swept away in the first half like we were, it was pathetic. Both tactically and technically dire. Reading chain of thought....church and thorvalson 5,10, wes morgan 6,4 and 400 pounds of pure physical beast...I know, instead of playing it to feat lets lump it so wes morgan can thrive on it. Woeful.

[ZacNaloen]

A 28 stone footballer?


Now that I have to see.

[FiNeRaIn]

A 28 stone footballer?


Now that I have to see.

Ok im exaggerating but he's a monster mate

Size of his ass ffs

[brendywendy]

So why did forest tire before us then and we dominate the second half?
Should be the other way around so not having that one.

Mebbe, just mebbe, they eased off because they were 2-0 up...?

Possibly, it may also be the fact they were down to ten men, they also could have been tired.

But that aside, we should not have been tired and swept away in the first half like we were, it was pathetic. Both tactically and technically dire. Reading chain of thought....church and thorvalson 5,10, wes morgan 6,4 and 400 pounds of pure physical beast...I know, instead of playing it to feat lets lump it so wes morgan can thrive on it. Woeful.

surely it was the tactical change to 4-3-3, and addition of howard that meant we upped our game
rather than any tiredness issues

[AthleticoSpizz]

The first half performance was nothing to do with the fact that we had two newbies out there?

Decent half-time team talk and the introduction of Howard....and we were competing as a team once again

[Southbank Old Boy]

Spot on Maguire, I'm actually prepared to give McDermott a chance and yesterday's result hasn't really influenced my opinions as we were always likely to get beaten, but some of the anti-Rodgers crap from the usual culprits is cringeworthy.

Exactly the same here - i'm not judging B-Mac on this result and will give him a fair chance but the anti-Rodgers stuff across the board is totally embarrassing.

I actually think RwC is generally decent and isn't really my target here but as you say if you lose 2-1 you lose 2-1 regardless of whether you got better when the game had already been lost or slip away from a winning position. Using a defeat under McDermott to have a pop at Rodgers is just crazy . I even saw someone after the Liverpool game saying Shane Long's shitness this season was Rodgers' fault :-/ What a way to excuse a player who simply hasn't been pulling his weight.

On the subject of results - comparing the start of Rodger's reign with the start of McDermott's is comparing apples with pears. Rodgers was the one who had to go through the process of rotating his squad each week, seeing what each player could do, signing some new players (eg. Rasiak) and eventually start to field a settled side. McDermott doesn't have to do any of that because it's already been done. The fairer comparison would be that of the first games under Brian compared with the last few under Rodgers. Lest we forget, W2, D3, L2, and the only reason Scunthorpe was a draw was because Sigurdsson had a shocker in front of goal.

Perspective please people. I agree that Rodgers talked a lot of shit but that doesn't give you lot an excuse to as well.

100% agree

Some of the rubbish on here is just cringe worthy at times, and both Rodgers and McD are operating under tough conditions but totally different situations at the same time

[Negative_Jeff]

The ghost of Murty lives on. I cannot condemn a player after one game other than to say Griffin was diabolical. Failed to mark tight, got pulled all over the place, misplaced passes, and hardly crossed the halfway line as an attacking threat.
How many right backs have we tried who couldn`t cut it, going as far back as Gurney. I can only think of Makin. A reliable source tells me that Gunnarsson played like Rodney Marsh up at Anfield but it`s once in a blue moon.
As for the Forest stewards, well I realise that the area has lost the mines, the tobacco and cycles industries in recent years but surely the unemployed are not all queuing up to be matchday stewards. I have never seen so many tossers at a football ground, anywhere.

[Forty]

LOL at the stand off between the reading fans and the stewards. I can't believe the steward didnt't deck the reading fan with the glasses who was giving it large in his face.

The same dick with the glasses stood under the stand after the game looking as sheepish as Alan Partridge nicking a traffic cone, having his particulars noted by the police whilst being videoed as well and invited to make himself obvious to the CCTV as well? That one? Yep.

I was sat next to a girl who was at her first ever game ,with her boyfriend. That altercation took place across and behind us. I was disgusted with that individual. The steward, with the shorn head, earring, etc did brilliantly not to lump the idiot with the glasses. There's a hell of a difference between that and 'Speccy's pulled a minger!'

[Para Handy]

Spot on Maguire, I'm actually prepared to give McDermott a chance and yesterday's result hasn't really influenced my opinions as we were always likely to get beaten, but some of the anti-Rodgers crap from the usual culprits is cringeworthy.

Exactly the same here - i'm not judging B-Mac on this result and will give him a fair chance but the anti-Rodgers stuff across the board is totally embarrassing.

I actually think RwC is generally decent and isn't really my target here but as you say if you lose 2-1 you lose 2-1 regardless of whether you got better when the game had already been lost or slip away from a winning position. Using a defeat under McDermott to have a pop at Rodgers is just crazy . I even saw someone after the Liverpool game saying Shane Long's shitness this season was Rodgers' fault :-/ What a way to excuse a player who simply hasn't been pulling his weight.

On the subject of results - comparing the start of Rodger's reign with the start of McDermott's is comparing apples with pears. Rodgers was the one who had to go through the process of rotating his squad each week, seeing what each player could do, signing some new players (eg. Rasiak) and eventually start to field a settled side. McDermott doesn't have to do any of that because it's already been done. The fairer comparison would be that of the first games under Brian compared with the last few under Rodgers. Lest we forget, W2, D3, L2, and the only reason Scunthorpe was a draw was because Sigurdsson had a shocker in front of goal.

Perspective please people. I agree that Rodgers talked a lot of shit but that doesn't give you lot an excuse to as well.

+1
and:
http://www.forestforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=40803.0

[Pseud O'Nym]

I was sat next to a girl who was at her first ever game ,with her boyfriend. That altercation took place across and behind us. I was disgusted with that individual. The steward, with the shorn head, earring, etc did brilliantly not to lump the idiot with the glasses. There's a hell of a difference between that and 'Speccy's pulled a minger!'

This forum is becoming incomprehensible to me tonight.

[bcubed]

LOL at the stand off between the reading fans and the stewards. I can't believe the steward didnt't deck the reading fan with the glasses who was giving it large in his face.

The same dick with the glasses stood under the stand after the game looking as sheepish as Alan Partridge nicking a traffic cone, having his particulars noted by the police whilst being videoed as well and invited to make himself obvious to the CCTV as well? That one? Yep.

I was sat next to a girl who was at her first ever game ,with her boyfriend. That altercation took place across and behind us. I was disgusted with that individual. The steward, with the shorn head, earring, etc did brilliantly not to lump the idiot with the glasses. There's a hell of a difference between that and 'Speccy's pulled a minger!'

The "idiot with the glasses" has revealed himself earlier in this thread

[Compo's Hat]

Having watch the video yep you see his hat go missing.

He was having a pop at me and then somebody behind him grabbed his hat, lol. got it all on camera.

Who was that then fLOLoyd? There was no need for the steward to go in there in the first place, he came across in an aggressive manner trying to throw his weight about which there was no need for! Everyone had complied all game and those on the back row were allowed to stand up all game.

Have made this video available for everyone to see on facebook so if you have an account you should be able to view it.
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#/vide ... 2126320175


I'm starting to wonder how we're seeming to of gone the other way now with starting badly and finishing well when we were seeming to mess things up in the 2nd half under Rodgers. I'm still on the fence on if i want him here as the permanent manager at the club.

[Rex]

I was sat next to a girl who was at her first ever game ,with her boyfriend. That altercation took place across and behind us. I was disgusted with that individual. The steward, with the shorn head, earring, etc did brilliantly not to lump the idiot with the glasses. There's a hell of a difference between that and 'Speccy's pulled a minger!'

Hmm maybe. The principles of crowd control and conflict management were certainly lost though in that situation.
Also the guiding light of a steward with an earring who was gobbing off about 'killing him' certainly bought the unbrella of Safety Steward into question. He was exacerbating a situation which was clearly a flashpoint anyway.
What ever caused the initial isolating of Mr Reading and asking him to leave the stand is something that Orange Hat needed to understand instead of wading in such a manner where he'd clearly misread the situation. In such a closed and cramped environment it was certainly the wrong decision to make.
A decision was rightly made that the situation was lost and it was dealt with later in a much calmer environment.