Khizanishvili signs on loan

[Ian Royal]

Confused

I thought players could only play competitive games for max two clubs during a season: this guy's played for Newcastle (league) and Blackburn (cups). I don't get it.

I will be mightily peeved if we've signed a player we can't play. Do loans count?

[loyalroyal4life]

One question - why?

cos ivar is shit and we can command some money for him!!

[loyalroyal4life]

Good signing on loan.
Happy with that.

chief scout as manager does have its rewards!! now 1 more attacking loan PLEASE

[jollyjiminy]

Confused

I thought players could only play competitive games for max two clubs during a season: this guy's played for Newcastle (league) and Blackburn (cups). I don't get it.

I will be mightily peeved if we've signed a player we can't play. Do loans count?

I thought loans counted, and in reply to Rob the Royal he played for Blackburn against Gillingham in the League Cup and against Villa in the FA cup (as sub)

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

To be fair Ivar hardly looked like a player who needed dropping on Saturday.

[rhroyal]

Confused

I thought players could only play competitive games for max two clubs during a season: this guy's played for Newcastle (league) and Blackburn (cups). I don't get it.

I will be mightily peeved if we've signed a player we can't play. Do loans count?

I thought loans counted, and in reply to Rob the Royal he played for Blackburn against Gillingham in the League Cup and against Villa in the FA cup (as sub)

For all the mistakes our club has made in recent years, I can't imagine us signing a player on loan unaware that he's ineligible.

[peterroyal76]

Er, thought we'd been okay at the back, especially with Griffin coming as joint first-choice.

Isn't this bloke slower than anyone else in the history of the world ever, though?

I think Steve Brown was the slowest ever, but he did a good enough job for us.

[rhroyal]

Also, I haven't read the entire thread, but I imagine that ppl are saying that loan signings are not a long term solution. True, but we need a short term solution right now.

[jollyjiminy]

I thought players could only play competitive games for max two clubs during a season: this guy's played for Newcastle (league) and Blackburn (cups). I don't get it.[/quote]

I will be mightily peeved if we've signed a player we can't play. Do loans count?[/quote]

I thought loans counted, and in reply to Rob the Royal he played for Blackburn against Gillingham in the League Cup and against Villa in the FA cup (as sub)[/quote]
For all the mistakes our club has made in recent years, I can't imagine us signing a player on loan unaware that he's ineligible.[/quote]

Well I guess not. I can't understand it though. I thought this was the predicament that Kitson and Sonko were in, having played for both host club and loaned out, but then out of favour and on the sidelines. Plus some gossip on here about going back in for Tommy Smith, but for the fact that he's played for two clubs already (neither on loan this time)

[West_Reading]

I'm pretty sure the 'maximum two clubs' in one season rule is only for permanent transfers. Loans should be fine.

[rob the royal]

and in reply to Rob the Royal he played for Blackburn against Gillingham in the League Cup and against Villa in the FA cup (as sub)

ah ok. thanks. it wasn't very clear on the player profile i saw.

[The Quiet Man]

Anybody who saw Cisse at Forest would know that this guy should be a 100% improvement playing in the ball winning centre midfield role screening the centre backs on a weekly basis (we can save Bryn for the cups and the subs bench). Of course we may have had an offer for Mills that the club think they can't refuse - should be decent signing.

[Royalee]

Why do we need him? Why haven't we instead opted to sign another winger or striker, which is what we actually need.

[jollyjiminy]

Here's a quote from the Times about players playing for more than two clubs (note the word 'playing' - seems irrelevant whether this is on loan or not). I hope RFC have got this figured out - I'm all for taking calculated risks, but i'm not sure this is a good one?? It would be normal to get docked points for fielding an inelgible player.


Portsmouth hampered by two-team rule
Nick Szczepanik The Times
January 2, 2010

Portsmouth’s plans to cash in on their playing assets to help pay off debts could be hampered by Fifa rules that prohibit players appearing for more than two clubs in the same season.

Blackburn Rovers are thought to have inquired about Kevin-Prince Boateng, the Ghana midfield player, who cost Portsmouth £4 million from Tottenham Hotspur last August.

However, Boateng appeared as a substitute for Spurs in a Carling Cup tie against Doncaster Rovers before moving to Fratton Park, and Fifa regulations state that, although a player may be registered with a maximum of three clubs during one season, “during this period, the player is only eligible to play official matches for two clubs”. Any club signing Boateng would have to appeal.

The Premier League confirmed that, short of the player launching a personal appeal on the ground that 31 minutes on the field at the Keepmoat Stadium should not restrain his trade, the only other possibility would be for a club to buy Boateng, then loan him back to Portsmouth — an extreme and unlikely act of philanthropy. The same rule would prevent the resale of Tommy Smith, who made five appearances for Watford this season before signing for Portsmouth.

A website that has been used as an unofficial conduit by the club suggested yesterday that deals aimed at easing cash-flow problems were at an advanced stage before “a major refinancing programme”. The plans involve securitisation against future TV and gate revenues as well as Fratton Park, the naming rights for which are for sale.

Portsmouth host Coventry City today in the third round of the FA Cup, the competition they won in 2008 — at some cost to their future, as has now become evident. The present regime at the club is frustrated at the perception that it is to blame for the club’s plight and a look at the team who beat Cardiff City 1-0 in the final at Wembley makes it plain that the problems began much earlier.

Under the ownership of Alexandre Gaydamak, the club had taken out a large loan the previous summer to finance the signings of players such as Sulley Muntari (£7 million), John Utaka (£7 million), David Nugent (£6 million) and Glen Johnson (£4 million).

They were joined last January by Jermain Defoe (£7.5 million, but cup-tied and unable to play at Wembley) and Lassana Diarra (£5.5 million). Winning the Cup and gaining entry to Europe seemed to justify the outlay, but the hidden cost was the wage bill, which could not be supported even if Fratton Park was full every week. Sol Campbell earned £60,000 per week, while even squad players were making phenomenal sums. Lauren was lauded by Harry Redknapp as a bargain signing at £500,000, but on £40,000 per week for 20 league starts over 2½ seasons, he hardly represented good value. Djimi Traoré (11 league starts for Portsmouth in two years) cost £1.5 million and earned £23,000 a week, most of which the club were still paying during two spells away on loan.

And although the club were able to sell on some of the big earners, at a profit in the cases of Diarra, Muntari and Johnson, those who remain continue to earn ruinously high salaries. Utaka, for example, is widely reported to be on £80,000, and the total monthly wage bill is £1.8 million.

Utaka, Nugent and David James are among those whom the club would especially like to remove from the payroll, while it is fair to assume that other members of the Cup Final team who remain at the club, such as Kanu, Papa Bouba Diop and Hermann Hreidarsson, have not taken much of a pay cut since appearing at Wembley.

Sales are believed to be necessary to satisfy creditors including Revenue & Customs, rival clubs and Gaydamak, with debts estimated at £60 million.

Now Avram Grant has to work with a cut-price squad that will be slashed even more if the club can find buyers. He has also lost several players to the African Cup of Nations, while Tottenham have refused to let on-loan Jamie O’Hara play against Coventry, a match in which the poor form of both teams suggests that a shock is on — Portsmouth might win.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6973412.ece

[Tony Le Mesmer]

Phil 'Hot Stuff' Burnzzz

[rob the royal]

Anybody who saw Cisse at Forest would know that this guy should be a 100% improvement playing in the ball winning centre midfield role screening the centre backs on a weekly basis (we can save Bryn for the cups and the subs bench).

Yeah everyone goes on about how poor Cisse is and how Gunnarsson can't play more than one game a month - well here's your solution.

[The whole year inn]

It is a bit that 75% of our back four could be loanees

[ZacNaloen]

Here's a quote from the Times about players playing for more than two clubs (note the word 'playing' - seems irrelevant whether this is on loan or not). I hope RFC have got this figured out - I'm all for taking calculated risks, but i'm not sure this is a good one?? It would be normal to get docked points for fielding an inelgible player.


Portsmouth hampered by two-team rule
Nick Szczepanik The Times
January 2, 2010

Portsmouth’s plans to cash in on their playing assets to help pay off debts could be hampered by Fifa rules that prohibit players appearing for more than two clubs in the same season.

Blackburn Rovers are thought to have inquired about Kevin-Prince Boateng, the Ghana midfield player, who cost Portsmouth £4 million from Tottenham Hotspur last August.

However, Boateng appeared as a substitute for Spurs in a Carling Cup tie against Doncaster Rovers before moving to Fratton Park, and Fifa regulations state that, although a player may be registered with a maximum of three clubs during one season, “during this period, the player is only eligible to play official matches for two clubs”. Any club signing Boateng would have to appeal.

The Premier League confirmed that, short of the player launching a personal appeal on the ground that 31 minutes on the field at the Keepmoat Stadium should not restrain his trade, the only other possibility would be for a club to buy Boateng, then loan him back to Portsmouth — an extreme and unlikely act of philanthropy. The same rule would prevent the resale of Tommy Smith, who made five appearances for Watford this season before signing for Portsmouth.

A website that has been used as an unofficial conduit by the club suggested yesterday that deals aimed at easing cash-flow problems were at an advanced stage before “a major refinancing programme”. The plans involve securitisation against future TV and gate revenues as well as Fratton Park, the naming rights for which are for sale.

Portsmouth host Coventry City today in the third round of the FA Cup, the competition they won in 2008 — at some cost to their future, as has now become evident. The present regime at the club is frustrated at the perception that it is to blame for the club’s plight and a look at the team who beat Cardiff City 1-0 in the final at Wembley makes it plain that the problems began much earlier.

Under the ownership of Alexandre Gaydamak, the club had taken out a large loan the previous summer to finance the signings of players such as Sulley Muntari (£7 million), John Utaka (£7 million), David Nugent (£6 million) and Glen Johnson (£4 million).

They were joined last January by Jermain Defoe (£7.5 million, but cup-tied and unable to play at Wembley) and Lassana Diarra (£5.5 million). Winning the Cup and gaining entry to Europe seemed to justify the outlay, but the hidden cost was the wage bill, which could not be supported even if Fratton Park was full every week. Sol Campbell earned £60,000 per week, while even squad players were making phenomenal sums. Lauren was lauded by Harry Redknapp as a bargain signing at £500,000, but on £40,000 per week for 20 league starts over 2½ seasons, he hardly represented good value. Djimi Traoré (11 league starts for Portsmouth in two years) cost £1.5 million and earned £23,000 a week, most of which the club were still paying during two spells away on loan.

And although the club were able to sell on some of the big earners, at a profit in the cases of Diarra, Muntari and Johnson, those who remain continue to earn ruinously high salaries. Utaka, for example, is widely reported to be on £80,000, and the total monthly wage bill is £1.8 million.

Utaka, Nugent and David James are among those whom the club would especially like to remove from the payroll, while it is fair to assume that other members of the Cup Final team who remain at the club, such as Kanu, Papa Bouba Diop and Hermann Hreidarsson, have not taken much of a pay cut since appearing at Wembley.

Sales are believed to be necessary to satisfy creditors including Revenue & Customs, rival clubs and Gaydamak, with debts estimated at £60 million.

Now Avram Grant has to work with a cut-price squad that will be slashed even more if the club can find buyers. He has also lost several players to the African Cup of Nations, while Tottenham have refused to let on-loan Jamie O’Hara play against Coventry, a match in which the poor form of both teams suggests that a shock is on — Portsmouth might win.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6973412.ece

I've just looked it up.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affeder ... 122007.pdf

The law relates to player registration. Article 6 and Article 10 being most important.

The player may not be registered with more than 3 clubs in one season. And is only eligible to play for two of those clubs. It's not clear but it appears that a loan is not a change of registration as a player can only be registered with one club at a time. The law also gives loans a special section under registration and mentions it is merely a written agreement between two clubs and that the loan must be agreed during the required periods so the management bodies don't need to sign them off or anything like with an actual transfer.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Mark Holzman

Bob Hazel LOL!

[Victor Meldrew]

Thorvaldsson is not a proper loan though. It's more of a 'try before you buy' deal. Usually I hate loan signings but sometimes they are the most sensible way to proceed.

I also don't normally like loan signings as they often are not part of a team building process (remember brick by brick-whatever happened to that?).
We are however in dire trouble and I like the idea of bringing in older,battling players like this one and Griffin as there is much work to be done to survive.
Next summer will be yet another review time when so many players will leave because they don't belong to us and the manager's position will be reassessed.
Hopefully that will all take place in The Championship but I fear that we just don't score enough goals to win enough games.