by Extended-Phenotype » 18 Jun 2013 14:26
by soggy biscuit » 18 Jun 2013 14:43
by winchester_royal » 18 Jun 2013 14:47
Hoop Blah I don't really subscribe to the general idea of luck in sport as I think it usually comes down to your ability to take luck out of the equation or to make the best of situations which in some instances people will see as luck.
by creative_username_1 » 18 Jun 2013 14:49
by Extended-Phenotype » 18 Jun 2013 14:55
winchester_royal
For example a hole in one in golf from a shot that would shoot 20 feet past the hole if it hadn't crashed into the flag and dropped in. Is that a better shot than one that stops stone dead 6 inches from the hole? Not IMO, even if the reward from the hole in one is greater.
by Esteban » 18 Jun 2013 14:57
Extended-Phenotype People are confusing ‘luck’ with the ‘merit’.
People saw us win games we “didn’t deserve to win” according to some unfamiliar alternative winning criteria which differs to the one the competition is based on (goals) and try and define the other team having a bad day as luck, failing to appreciate that the ability a player or team shows on competition day is what a competition is trying to f/cking measure.
Sorry to disappoint, but football like most sports rewards those who play a particular way to maximise the possible return from the quality available. Playing other ways which result in less goals scored and more conceded may be all very deserving, but according to the rules will win you at best a runner-up position.
The team you put together, how you play on the day, what tactics you choose – I doubt anyone is rolling a dice to decide any of that. So slate McD’s style all you like, and even claim other teams were more deserving of the title than us because you felt they played the sport more to your liking, but f/ck off with this luck crap. We won the league through ability, not fate.
by winchester_royal » 18 Jun 2013 14:59
Extended-Phenotypewinchester_royal
For example a hole in one in golf from a shot that would shoot 20 feet past the hole if it hadn't crashed into the flag and dropped in. Is that a better shot than one that stops stone dead 6 inches from the hole? Not IMO, even if the reward from the hole in one is greater.
You could argue it was pure luck if the flag fell from a seagull's beak and landed surprisingly in the hole as he took his shot. Otherwise the flag being a permanent feature of any hole you could argue that a golfer took it into consideration, as much as any feature of a golf course which impacted on the shorter shot, when he tee'd off.
by melonhead » 18 Jun 2013 15:05
by Extended-Phenotype » 18 Jun 2013 15:10
winchester_royalExtended-Phenotypewinchester_royal
For example a hole in one in golf from a shot that would shoot 20 feet past the hole if it hadn't crashed into the flag and dropped in. Is that a better shot than one that stops stone dead 6 inches from the hole? Not IMO, even if the reward from the hole in one is greater.
You could argue it was pure luck if the flag fell from a seagull's beak and landed surprisingly in the hole as he took his shot. Otherwise the flag being a permanent feature of any hole you could argue that a golfer took it into consideration, as much as any feature of a golf course which impacted on the shorter shot, when he tee'd off.
You think any professional golfer is actually trying to hit the flag from 200 yards rather than try and get the ball to stop as close to the hole as possible?
It's my opinion that if you benefit from something you did not intend to do then that's luck.
by Avon Royal » 18 Jun 2013 15:11
by Maguire » 18 Jun 2013 15:14
winchester_royalHoop Blah I don't really subscribe to the general idea of luck in sport as I think it usually comes down to your ability to take luck out of the equation or to make the best of situations which in some instances people will see as luck.
I just can't agree with this, so often in sport we see instances where someone profits from a particular break or piece of good fortune. For example a hole in one in golf from a shot that would shoot 20 feet past the hole if it hadn't crashed into the flag and dropped in. Is that a better shot than one that stops stone dead 6 inches from the hole? Not IMO, even if the reward from the hole in one is greater.
Obviously the better you are/more ability you have you find more success, that's obvious and I'm not suggesting that luck is the only (or even the biggest) determinant, but often it has a big part to play. Which is why sport is so interesting, otherwise the best team/individual would always emerge victorious.
by winchester_royal » 18 Jun 2013 15:25
by melonhead » 18 Jun 2013 15:39
winchester_royal I didn't say we won it through sheer chance though, I just said luck played a part.
by Extended-Phenotype » 18 Jun 2013 15:41
by winchester_royal » 18 Jun 2013 15:43
Extended-Phenotype I think the argument is against luck being a dominant factor in winning the title.
by melonhead » 18 Jun 2013 15:45
by winchester_royal » 18 Jun 2013 15:49
melonhead except thats an argument youre having with yourself only
I don't really subscribe to the general idea of luck in sport
but f/ck off with this luck crap
I am very much in the 'not luck' camp. In sport, you win what you deserve to win through numerous contributing factors.
by AirRaidSiren » 18 Jun 2013 15:50
by Maguire » 18 Jun 2013 15:55
by melonhead » 18 Jun 2013 16:06
winchester_royalmelonhead except thats an argument youre having with yourself onlyI don't really subscribe to the general idea of luck in sportbut f/ck off with this luck crapI am very much in the 'not luck' camp. In sport, you win what you deserve to win through numerous contributing factors.
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