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Re: No striker on the horizon

by Hoop Blah » 20 Sep 2010 10:25

Hampshire Royal Yeah but....if JM had just wanted to pocket the money from transfer deals (rather than reinvest it), why not let Sidwell go for a fee rather than let him play out hie contract and get nothing?


Mainly because Sidwell decided it was in his best interest to play out the season and pocket the money himself. Without the player being willing to move, and a buyer being willing to pay of course, then a transfer can't happen.

To answer the question of how much does a Chairman have to dip into his own pocket, I'd say that, if they want the club to be challenging in and around the top 4 we need at around extra £2m over and above our current wages.

That would fund the additional 2 or 3 top end Championship players to turn this side into a serious competitive outfit.

A significant amount of that would probably be clawed back through the extra revenue being at the right end of the table and playing decent stuff should generate.

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by Wycombe Royal » 20 Sep 2010 11:39

Hoop Blah Mainly because Sidwell decided it was in his best interest to play out the season and pocket the money himself. Without the player being willing to move, and a buyer being willing to pay of course, then a transfer can't happen.

But we have been told byvarious on here that Sigurdsson was FORCED to move. Now it is being said a transfer can't happen if a player isn't willing to move.

If we couldn't force Sidwell to move then we couldn't have forced Sigurdsson to move, but that doesn't fit in with the conspiracy theories does it?

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by weybridgewanderer » 20 Sep 2010 11:53

RoyalBlue There's an effing big difference between only losing one game and being in with a genuine chance of pushing for promotion.


like we were ever going to push for promotion this season

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Re: No striker on the horizon

by Hoop Blah » 20 Sep 2010 11:57

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Hoop Blah Mainly because Sidwell decided it was in his best interest to play out the season and pocket the money himself. Without the player being willing to move, and a buyer being willing to pay of course, then a transfer can't happen.

But we have been told byvarious on here that Sigurdsson was FORCED to move. Now it is being said a transfer can't happen if a player isn't willing to move.

If we couldn't force Sidwell to move then we couldn't have forced Sigurdsson to move, but that doesn't fit in with the conspiracy theories does it?


Different posters in different views shocker....hold the front page Wycombe!!!

I think there is a difference in encouraging a rising star to move for the good of the club and forcing a player to move 6 months before being able to cash in on a big money bosman move.

I don't think Sigurdsson was looking to leave just yet, but I also don't think the club forced him to move. I do think they said this is good business for the club and we could really do with the money so we've accepted the offer. A bit of a nudge, not really being forced out.

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Re: No striker on the horizon

by surrounded by saints » 20 Sep 2010 12:35

MmmMonsterMunch I couldn't give a fcuk what the best deal is. He won't be adequately replaced if sold so I'd rather his contract was ran down so keep our best players as long as we can.

spot on!!


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Re: No striker on the horizon

by Wycombe Royal » 20 Sep 2010 12:48

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Hoop Blah Mainly because Sidwell decided it was in his best interest to play out the season and pocket the money himself. Without the player being willing to move, and a buyer being willing to pay of course, then a transfer can't happen.

But we have been told byvarious on here that Sigurdsson was FORCED to move. Now it is being said a transfer can't happen if a player isn't willing to move.

If we couldn't force Sidwell to move then we couldn't have forced Sigurdsson to move, but that doesn't fit in with the conspiracy theories does it?


Different posters in different views shocker....hold the front page Wycombe!!!

My post was sarcastic. :roll:

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by brendywendy » 20 Sep 2010 13:30

Lol at 2 million buying 3 top championship players. It will pay the wages of 2.for a year. Without transfer fees. So wed need 5 million to do what u want.and thats irrelevant as jm isnt going to do it. So youd better resign yourself to trying to build a team from our academy,supplemented by experienced pros, or else be terminally enraged.

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by Hoop Blah » 20 Sep 2010 13:49

brendywendy Lol at 2 million buying 3 top championship players. It will pay the wages of 2.for a year. Without transfer fees. So wed need 5 million to do what u want.and thats irrelevant as jm isnt going to do it. So youd better resign yourself to trying to build a team from our academy,supplemented by experienced pros, or else be terminally enraged.


FFS man....the question I was answering was how much do people think the owner needs to pump in each year to make us competitive.

For £2m per year I think we could add the extra 2-3 players we need to do that.

Try spending a little time understanding the post before you jump in at the deep end!

For the record I'm not enraged, I'm disappointed at the direction the club has taken over the last few season because I want the absolute best for my club and I want us to be as successful and competitive as we can.

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by brendywendy » 20 Sep 2010 13:59

We all want that. And 2 million still.doesnt get us the 2-3 top players you say it could. No matter how you explain. And considering jms position its pointless conjecture anyway. But apologies for any offence caused


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Re: Mgmt tickets . Bournemouth

by sheshnu » 20 Sep 2010 14:00

Hoop Blah For the record I'm not enraged, I'm disappointed at the direction the club has taken over the last few season because I want the absolute best for my club and I want us to be as successful and competitive as we can.


I too think we all want that but: the club has already (very recently) been as successful as it can ever be, and is currently as competitive as it can be. So... job done?

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Re: No striker on the horizon

by Hoop Blah » 20 Sep 2010 14:21

The average wage in the Championship is something like £5k/week, and the top players will be on about £10k to £15k.

2 or 3 £10/15k per week players would cost us around and about the £2m mark if you ask me, obviously that doesn't include transfer fee's, but I was looking at the idea of bringing in decent players on freebies due to the state of our finances. Signing on fee's and the like wouldn't be too far out of that number either.

It's all theoretical of course, but there have been plenty of decent Championship players moving around on free's in the last few seasons so I see no reason why that isn't realistic.

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by under the tin » 20 Sep 2010 14:27

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Hoop Blah For the record I'm not enraged, I'm disappointed at the direction the club has taken over the last few season because I want the absolute best for my club and I want us to be as successful and competitive as we can.


I too think we all want that but: the club has already (very recently) been as successful as it can ever be, and is currently as competitive as it can be. So... job done?


So after a decade of slow but steady inward investment from the chairman, we peaked a few years ago.
That status was impossible for a club like ours to maintain. We don't have the oligarch, or the fanbase.
Our chairman is not now in a position to make any further inward investment, and because of this, the number one priority for the club right now is to be self financing, because there will be no JM bail-outs.
Some of us believe that the quality of product on the patch of grass will ultimateley suffer as a result, and the club will suffer as a consequence.

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by brendywendy » 20 Sep 2010 15:01

Perhaps the club view it as taking a couple of backward steps so we are able to take forward ones in future. And perhaps bm wants to give what we have a chance to prove themselves till jan before spending more. Last year proved it still gives us time to make a playoff push.especially as we are more solid than this time last season. 's what i reckon anyway.
We all want the same thing. But burnley hull and blackpool and ourselves have shown its possible to do it in other ways than the qpr route whick isnt open to us anyway. Just dont get some of the more extreme negativity tbh


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Re: No striker on the horizon

by rabidbee » 23 Sep 2010 15:46

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Archie's penalty shut it Floyde you negative twat.


LOL like I care what you think, aren't you a northern ponce anyway? Go and support f*cking Bury.


Carlisle would be more accurate.

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Re: No striker on the horizon

by Jeffers217 » 23 Sep 2010 21:51

brendywendy Lol at 2 million buying 3 top championship players. It will pay the wages of 2.for a year. Without transfer fees. So wed need 5 million to do what u want.and thats irrelevant as jm isnt going to do it. So youd better resign yourself to trying to build a team from our academy,supplemented by experienced pros, or else be terminally enraged.
brendywendy We all want that. And 2 million still.doesnt get us the 2-3 top players you say it could. No matter how you explain. And considering jms position its pointless conjecture anyway. But apologies for any offence caused
brendywendy We all want that. And 2 million still.doesnt get us the 2-3 top players you say it could. No matter how you explain. And considering jms position its pointless conjecture anyway. But apologies for any offence caused


I beg to differ with you mate. I know it is irrelevant now but if we kept The Sig, signed 2 decent-ish strikers in say Jon Stead and Matty Fryatt (just examples) and forked out that tiny transfer fee for Kish, I genuinly think we would be in the position to be challenging. Now that wouldn't cost us a great deal more than 2 million and would have been a worthwhile investment as crowds would be up, hence more revenue, and the chance of promotion would potentially result in millions. Sometimes you have to spend money to get the great rewards- look at the fine line between Birmingham and Reading 2 seasons ago, now look at the MASSIVE gap- their risking it really pulled off. We played our cards too close to our chest and now we are paying for it and supporters are getting disillusioned- I don't blame them

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Re: No striker on the horizon

by Archie's penalty » 24 Sep 2010 00:30

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Archie's penalty shut it Floyde you negative twat.


LOL like I care what you think, aren't you a northern ponce anyway? Go and support f*cking Bury.


Carlisle would be more accurate.


Or Morecambe.

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Re: No striker on the horizon

by loyalroyal4life » 24 Sep 2010 00:51

fair play to barnsley have brought in another decent striker, could have done with it being after saturday though!!

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Re: No striker on the horizon

by Stranded » 24 Sep 2010 09:26

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brendywendy Lol at 2 million buying 3 top championship players. It will pay the wages of 2.for a year. Without transfer fees. So wed need 5 million to do what u want.and thats irrelevant as jm isnt going to do it. So youd better resign yourself to trying to build a team from our academy,supplemented by experienced pros, or else be terminally enraged.
brendywendy We all want that. And 2 million still.doesnt get us the 2-3 top players you say it could. No matter how you explain. And considering jms position its pointless conjecture anyway. But apologies for any offence caused
brendywendy We all want that. And 2 million still.doesnt get us the 2-3 top players you say it could. No matter how you explain. And considering jms position its pointless conjecture anyway. But apologies for any offence caused


I beg to differ with you mate. I know it is irrelevant now but if we kept The Sig, signed 2 decent-ish strikers in say Jon Stead and Matty Fryatt (just examples) and forked out that tiny transfer fee for Kish, I genuinly think we would be in the position to be challenging. Now that wouldn't cost us a great deal more than 2 million and would have been a worthwhile investment as crowds would be up, hence more revenue, and the chance of promotion would potentially result in millions. Sometimes you have to spend money to get the great rewards- look at the fine line between Birmingham and Reading 2 seasons ago, now look at the MASSIVE gap- their risking it really pulled off. We played our cards too close to our chest and now we are paying for it and supporters are getting disillusioned- I don't blame them


We did risk it that first season by keeping hold of players that we arguably could no longer afford. It's that season of gamble that is a major factor in why the club are following the path they are now.

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Re: No striker on the horizon

by BR2 » 24 Sep 2010 14:13

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brendywendy Lol at 2 million buying 3 top championship players. It will pay the wages of 2.for a year. Without transfer fees. So wed need 5 million to do what u want.and thats irrelevant as jm isnt going to do it. So youd better resign yourself to trying to build a team from our academy,supplemented by experienced pros, or else be terminally enraged.
brendywendy We all want that. And 2 million still.doesnt get us the 2-3 top players you say it could. No matter how you explain. And considering jms position its pointless conjecture anyway. But apologies for any offence caused
brendywendy We all want that. And 2 million still.doesnt get us the 2-3 top players you say it could. No matter how you explain. And considering jms position its pointless conjecture anyway. But apologies for any offence caused


I beg to differ with you mate. I know it is irrelevant now but if we kept The Sig, signed 2 decent-ish strikers in say Jon Stead and Matty Fryatt (just examples) and forked out that tiny transfer fee for Kish, I genuinly think we would be in the position to be challenging. Now that wouldn't cost us a great deal more than 2 million and would have been a worthwhile investment as crowds would be up, hence more revenue, and the chance of promotion would potentially result in millions. Sometimes you have to spend money to get the great rewards- look at the fine line between Birmingham and Reading 2 seasons ago, now look at the MASSIVE gap- their risking it really pulled off. We played our cards too close to our chest and now we are paying for it and supporters are getting disillusioned- I don't blame them


We did risk it that first season by keeping hold of players that we arguably could no longer afford. It's that season of gamble that is a major factor in why the club are following the path they are now.


Didn't we get the little matter of £30,000,000 from Sky that year plus full houses for every game which surely covered the cost of those gambles?

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Re: No striker on the horizon

by brendywendy » 24 Sep 2010 15:59

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brendywendy Lol at 2 million buying 3 top championship players. It will pay the wages of 2.for a year. Without transfer fees. So wed need 5 million to do what u want.and thats irrelevant as jm isnt going to do it. So youd better resign yourself to trying to build a team from our academy,supplemented by experienced pros, or else be terminally enraged.
brendywendy We all want that. And 2 million still.doesnt get us the 2-3 top players you say it could. No matter how you explain. And considering jms position its pointless conjecture anyway. But apologies for any offence caused
brendywendy We all want that. And 2 million still.doesnt get us the 2-3 top players you say it could. No matter how you explain. And considering jms position its pointless conjecture anyway. But apologies for any offence caused


I beg to differ with you mate. I know it is irrelevant now but if we kept The Sig, signed 2 decent-ish strikers in say Jon Stead and Matty Fryatt (just examples) and forked out that tiny transfer fee for Kish, I genuinly think we would be in the position to be challenging. Now that wouldn't cost us a great deal more than 2 million and would have been a worthwhile investment as crowds would be up, hence more revenue, and the chance of promotion would potentially result in millions. Sometimes you have to spend money to get the great rewards- look at the fine line between Birmingham and Reading 2 seasons ago, now look at the MASSIVE gap- their risking it really pulled off. We played our cards too close to our chest and now we are paying for it and supporters are getting disillusioned- I don't blame them



but the sig would have ben on 10 k a week, so would kish, so would john stead, so would matty fryatt - thats your 2 million in wages right there- at the very least. without any transfer fees at all.
add on top of the that- we wouldnt have the 7 million from sig, so would still have a 4 m black hole this season and next.
im just glad you arent in charge of our finances :wink:

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