Back after the game (in da jazz bar)

[Negative_Jeff]

Too many faults to discuss here, poor technique, tactical awareness and confidence among them. There is something far more fundamental though; the new strip (no, stay with me). Once the opposition stop pissing themselves at us looking like Leeds in pyjamas they quickly work out that the rest of it is built on sand and become the better side. I think we should paint some hoops on the back before we get out- hooped next week by Donny. Five games in this new get up and only one point to show for it. Really, why is the club so ashamed of the traditional colours?
West Stand Man is right about the pathetic support, but a little unfair to compare us with Wednesday, who have the best support in the country.

[Dan - B15 Royal]

Couldnt make the game on saturday, but brousing through all the comments and stats it sounded and looks like it was a dire match.
Was this performance worse than the 4-1 thrashing at Home park, Plymouth in 2009?

[LoyalRoyal22]

Couldnt make the game on saturday, but brousing through all the comments and stats it sounded and looks like it was a dire match.
Was this performance worse than the 4-1 thrashing at Home park, Plymouth in 2009?

I didnt go to that game thankfully. but yeh mate, yesterday was as bad as i can remember and im a optimist

[Ian Royal]

Couldnt make the game on saturday, but brousing through all the comments and stats it sounded and looks like it was a dire match.
Was this performance worse than the 4-1 thrashing at Home park, Plymouth in 2009?

I didnt go to that game thankfully. but yeh mate, yesterday was as bad as i can remember and im a optimist

I found it infinitely better than Charlton.

[West Stand Man]

When players who have plenty of technical ability don't put in much effort. This is what you get.

Corrected for you.

[andrew1957]

Couldnt make the game on saturday, but brousing through all the comments and stats it sounded and looks like it was a dire match.
Was this performance worse than the 4-1 thrashing at Home park, Plymouth in 2009?

I didnt go to that game thankfully. but yeh mate, yesterday was as bad as i can remember and im a optimist

I found it infinitely better than Charlton.

Surely not - we got at least one shot on target against Charlton. Yesterday we managed 0 - yes ZERO shots on traget. And we were at home.

[Ian Royal]

No, definitely. Charlton are a league below us, put out their reserves and could have had 8. Our defence was far far worse for certain.

[brendywendy]

my ratings


feds- 7
griff- 5
Pearce- 4(im usually a fan)
Kasper G - 7
Mills- 6
Kebe- 6
Jobi- 6
Karacan- 6
Ledge- 5 wtf?
Le Fondre- 6
Manset- 5

agreed- but id give liegertwood and kebe 4s

[Rob-Royal]

Couldnt make the game on saturday, but brousing through all the comments and stats it sounded and looks like it was a dire match.
Was this performance worse than the 4-1 thrashing at Home park, Plymouth in 2009?

Nothing beats that game at Plymouth for worst performance award. I still remember the greeting we got as we left the ground from the home fans well & truly rubbing our noses in it!

[Muskrat]

my ratings


feds- 7
griff- 5
Pearce- 4(im usually a fan)
Kasper G - 7
Mills- 6
Kebe- 6
Jobi- 6
Karacan- 6
Ledge- 5 wtf?
Le Fondre- 6
Manset- 5

agreed- but id give liegertwood and kebe 4s

One of Leigertwood's better games for us then

[AthleticoSpizz]

There is something far more fundamental though; the new strip (no, stay with me). Once the opposition stop pissing themselves at us looking like Leeds in pyjamas. I think we should paint some hoops on the back

I'm with you Jeff....one of our most sh1ttest recent kits, and the hoops, like the players are almost invisible right now.

[Here for the KEBE]

That was pretty depressing.

Karacan was the only player who looked up for it and was actually trying to make stuff happen. Ledge was poor again.

Jobi wasn't great, but at least tried to take players on. Kebe was awful, slowed everything down when he got the ball. Either massively lacking in confidence, or simply doesn't want to be here.

I wasn't there yday but I have to say that if we didn't have Karacan in the spine of our team, we would be leaking a lot more goals. He's the only one who harrasses opponents and puts a tackle in

[RoyalBlue]

Oh, and the 'we sold all our best players' line is wearing thin. We sold a striker and a central defender. Last season both were being slagged off by large chunks of the membership of this board as 'not being up to Championship standard'. It is not as simple as 'we sold players'. This team is very similar to the one that got to Wembley last season and is underperforming; it needs to be sorted - soon

Very similar in all respects bar the fact that we lost the best player by a country mile and replaced him with another punt from League Two!

[Avon Royal]

Oh, and the 'we sold all our best players' line is wearing thin. We sold a striker and a central defender. Last season both were being slagged off by large chunks of the membership of this board as 'not being up to Championship standard'. It is not as simple as 'we sold players'. This team is very similar to the one that got to Wembley last season and is underperforming; it needs to be sorted - soon

Yes, but you're overlooking the impact that cashing in on our best players has on those that remain. If we were serious about moving the club forward we would have added to the team in order to be able to go one step further this season. Instead, we weakened the team which must have been a real kick in the teeth for the guys that just missed out at Wembley.

[Hoop Blah]

The 'it's only two players' argument just doesn't wash with me. For a starter it's more like 4 as we've also lost Ingimarsson and Kishanishvili but more importantly the two we've lost from that strongest eleven were key components.

The team was set up to play to Long's strengths and so taking him out just makes the rest of the team disfunctional. The players know how crucial Long was to the play we played, not just through his goals, but through the way he played and the problems he caused defenders with his work down the channels.

Add in the play off hangover, the likes of Harte and Griffin seemingly losing an edge to their game (or whatever is going on with the pair of them), and the lack of reinvestment and it's a tough job on McDermotts hands to get this lot playing anywhere near the level they did last season (which quite frankly flattered them anyway!).

[Schards#2]

Oh, and the 'we sold all our best players' line is wearing thin. We sold a striker and a central defender. Last season both were being slagged off by large chunks of the membership of this board as 'not being up to Championship standard'. It is not as simple as 'we sold players'. This team is very similar to the one that got to Wembley last season and is underperforming; it needs to be sorted - soon

Very similar in all respects bar the fact that we lost the best player by a country mile and replaced him with another punt from League Two!

We are also suffering from buying on the cheap previously. Generally, cheap players are cheap because either they are not that good, or because they are relatively old.

We are now suffering for buying Harte and Griffen on the cheap as, whilst they could initially do a job, they performance has deteriorated markedly this year as they've got older and slower.

Selling the best players and only reinvesting about 10% of the proceeds is a recipe for relegation, sooner or later. We got away with it last year as long suddenly flourished, we won't get away with it every year.

[Croydon Royal]

The team was set up to play to Long's strengths and so taking him out just makes the rest of the team disfunctional. The players know how crucial Long was to the play we played, not just through his goals, but through the way he played and the problems he caused defenders with his work down the channels.

This is a good point. A lot of the aimless hoofs down field that we played on Saturday have been a feature of pretty much every game under McDermott, it's just that when we had Long he made something out of those lost causes by putting the opposition full backs under pressure and forcing them into making mistakes. But against Watford that wasn't the case, and I lost count of the number of times that Doyley and Dickinson were given time on the ball to come forward or pick out a pass.

[Wycombe Royal]

We are also suffering from buying on the cheap previously. Generally, cheap players are cheap because either they are not that good, or because they are relatively old.

We are now suffering for buying Harte and Griffen on the cheap as, whilst they could initially do a job, they performance has deteriorated markedly this year as they've got older and slower.

Yes those two old timers at Blackpool are doing really badly arent'y they? You know 33 year old Barry Ferguson and 38 year old Kevin Phillips. Age doesn't automatically make players crap, but it does make them an easy target when things are going well.

[Terminal Boardom]

We are also suffering from buying on the cheap previously. Generally, cheap players are cheap because either they are not that good, or because they are relatively old.

We are now suffering for buying Harte and Griffen on the cheap as, whilst they could initially do a job, they performance has deteriorated markedly this year as they've got older and slower.

Yes those two old timers at Blackpool are doing really badly arent'y they? You know 33 year old Barry Ferguson and 38 year old Kevin Phillips. Age doesn't automatically make players crap, but it does make them an easy target when things are going well.

To put a little perspective, Harte and Griffin are defenders and if they make mistakes then they are more likely to result in an effort on goal. If the likes of Ferguson and Phillips make mistakes, then that is a different matter as they generally play higher up the pitch.

[Wycombe Royal]

We are also suffering from buying on the cheap previously. Generally, cheap players are cheap because either they are not that good, or because they are relatively old.

We are now suffering for buying Harte and Griffen on the cheap as, whilst they could initially do a job, they performance has deteriorated markedly this year as they've got older and slower.

Yes those two old timers at Blackpool are doing really badly arent'y they? You know 33 year old Barry Ferguson and 38 year old Kevin Phillips. Age doesn't automatically make players crap, but it does make them an easy target when things are going well.

To put a little perspective, Harte and Griffin are defenders and if they make mistakes then they are more likely to result in an effort on goal. If the likes of Ferguson and Phillips make mistakes, then that is a different matter as they generally play higher up the pitch.

We are talking about performances in general not just conceding goals.