FiNeRaIn We need 3/4 strikers around the first team, the rest should be moved on bar the 17/18 year old youth academy one's. Lawson d'ath for example is a midfielder.
by Cypry » 21 Sep 2011 14:37
FiNeRaIn We need 3/4 strikers around the first team, the rest should be moved on bar the 17/18 year old youth academy one's. Lawson d'ath for example is a midfielder.
by andrew1957 » 21 Sep 2011 15:06
Hoop Blah
I'm not sure what you're counting as a first team squad of 18 but I'd say it was more like 24/25 who were in danger of being involved in a match day squad in 04/05. We had a few youngsters to add to that number like Osano and a couple of loanee's over the year that were on the fringes (Obinna and Baradji).
The comparable number right now is probably, give or take, just the same but we certainly seem to have a larger squad because we give out squad numbers to all and sundry these days. We seem to give 1 and 2 year deals to more of the youngsters and cheap punts like Williams, B and this new fella are more common and get a squad number straight away. I'm not sure if the likes of Vasilev and Ilugsson were giving squad numbers when we signed them back in those days but they probably would be if we signed them today.
by marcusopp » 21 Sep 2011 15:10
roadrunnerloyalroyal4life 1 year contract no big deal really
Welcome Ced
'greed, and if we do think something of him we can choose to extend for a further 12 months. I don't see the big fuss really. Cheap signing, might work out, might not. Not really going to send us into meltdown while we give the boy a chance.
by Royal Lady » 21 Sep 2011 15:27
by Svlad Cjelli » 21 Sep 2011 15:31
Royal Lady Well I'm prepared to eat a whole humble pie if he comes good and is another Doyle (or Kevin Philips - LOL) - but are those ,who have the opposite views to me, prepared to do the same if he turns out to be a wet fish?
by robinsfriday » 21 Sep 2011 15:38
by Hoop Blah » 21 Sep 2011 15:56
by Svlad Cjelli » 21 Sep 2011 16:03
by Hoop Blah » 21 Sep 2011 16:05
Svlad Cjelli It's probably because we'd only relatively recently re-started the academy back then, so we didn't have the products of this in the squad as we do now.
by Maguire » 21 Sep 2011 16:17
by Royals-lad14 » 21 Sep 2011 16:17
paultheroyal Can I be the first to say that some of the posts on here are quite frankly embarrassing and cringeworthy at best.
Judge the bloke on the pitch with his Reading shirt on.
Cedric welcome to RFC.
by andrew1957 » 21 Sep 2011 16:18
Hoop Blah Interesting andrew, and when I wrote 04/05 I meant 05/06!
The only names from that list I think you're missing are Dobson and Federici. My first team squad for that year would be
Hahnemann, Stack, Federici
Murty, Makin, Halls
Shorey, Golbourn
Sonko, Ingimarsson, Brown, Dobson
Harper, Sidwell, Gunnarsson
Little, Oster
Convey, Hunt
Kitson, Lita, Doyle, Long, Cox
Makes 24 who were genuine senior squad players and not just kids with squad numbers. Because we had such luck with injuries and a much more settled first XI the likes of Halls, Brown and Dobson hardly got a look in. Federici was a genuine third choice (albiet a weak one) in the same way as the likes of Locke, Andersen or Hamer have been in recent times.
I guess it shows that we have collected a lot of hangers on over the last few seasons. Whether that's because we see the likes of Gage, the Edwards brothers, Hector, Mills, D'Ath, Losasso etc etc as potential assets and their equivalents 5 or 6 years ago weren't I don't know. We certainly seem to have more of those types of players but I wouldn't say our first team squad is any different.
by RoyalBlue » 21 Sep 2011 16:29
Svlad CjelliFiNeRaIn Will contribute absolutely nothing, then get released on a free. Why even spend this money if we still need to square the rubicon?
Pointless.
Because the stake on this gamble is really low - no transfer fee and minimal wages, so what's the risk?
by Hoop Blah » 21 Sep 2011 16:31
by RoyalBlue » 21 Sep 2011 16:33
rhroyalFiNeRaInWimb that's less than £100k over the length of his deal, hardly busting the bank .
It is when our current wage structure is not sustainable. Look at the accounts. We cannot afford to be spending money like this.
By that logic, we can never afford to offer an academy product a contract. We can never afford cheap signings like Doyle and Long. We should save all the cash, however small, for established first teamers so that we don't increase the deficit.
Poor logic. We take chances on several academy players and cheap, basement signings. Some will come good, offer something to the team and be sold on at a good value. Some won't. You just assume that the success stories will more than cancel out the failures. Up front, we now have Williams and this guy in development. We also have Bignall in the academy and other kids in the development team; Ugwu and Murphy. If 1 or 2 out of all these guys come good and offer something to the team, that will probably cancel out the expense of all the others.
by RoyalBlue » 21 Sep 2011 16:35
Wycombe RoyalFiNeRaInWycombe Royal I'd be surprised if he is costing us more than £50k in wages over the next 9 months.
50k we haven't got as our wage structure is already too high. We should be cutting down, not adding.
There aren't many people on this thread who have studied the accounts. That much is clear.
In case you weren't aware, I am a qualified accoutant as are others on this forum.
FiNeRaIn I can't help but feel the club have been pushed into this by the continous whinging noises from fans on HNA and in the ground asking where the money has gone and why aren't we signing anone. This is a panic signing.
When we are in adminstration come the end of may, I hope all you moaners are proud of yourself for ruining our club.
I am going outside to calm down.
by RoyalBlue » 21 Sep 2011 16:39
winchester_royalFiNeRaInrhroyal Poor logic. We take chances on several academy players and cheap, basement signings. Some will come good, offer something to the team and be sold on at a good value. Some won't. You just assume that the success stories will more than cancel out the failures. Up front, we now have Williams and this guy in development. We also have Bignall in the academy and other kids in the development team; Ugwu and Murphy. If 1 or 2 out of all these guys come good and offer something to the team, that will probably cancel out the expense of all the others.
We can't afford this. What do you guys not understand? We need to cut the cloth to make ourselves more sustainable. This is a completely pointless signing when we have 7 other options up front. Needless expenses. We weren't struggling when we bought people like doyle and long, even they however were more proven than this guy.
Assuming he's on 1k a week this gamble will cost a whopping 9k.
You really just cannot resist any opportunity to slag off the club huh?
by Hoop Blah » 21 Sep 2011 16:41
Hoop Blah You sure about Federici? I'm sure he was part of the squad at that time because I thought I used to see him at the gym. Maybe it was when he was with us on a non-contract basis.
I'd include Dobson because he was part of the squad. He was only saved from playing because of Sonko and Ingimarsson's outstanding lack on injuries and suspensions.
by Simon's Church » 21 Sep 2011 16:53
by Friday's Legacy » 21 Sep 2011 17:02
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