Wingers for 13/14

[Snowball]

Agreed that stats don't tell the whole story but ALF was ranked 22nd in the Premiership for goals + assists combined
and that's on not a lot of minutes, on the same rank as Aguero, Sturridge, Giroud, Torres and Maloney (Wigan)

HRK was ranked 61, another who didn't get a lot of minutes, Injured Jimmy was 80th, McAnuff is ranked 7 places lower
but they are giving him 7 assists (I thought he had 9). If he had 9 he is one spot above HRK, but on twice the minutes

[NewCorkSeth]

Agreed that stats don't tell the whole story but ALF was ranked 22nd in the Premiership for goals + assists combined
and that's on not a lot of minutes, on the same rank as Aguero, Sturridge, Giroud, Torres and Maloney (Wigan)

HRK was ranked 61, another who didn't get a lot of minutes, Injured Jimmy was 80th, McAnuff is ranked 7 places lower
but they are giving him 7 assists (I thought he had 9). If he had 9 he is one spot above HRK, but on twice the minutes

Hard to argue he had a good season when faced with a brick wall like that but im sure his fans will find a way.

[SCIAG]

Hard to argue a winger who gets 7-9 assists has had a good season? Okaaaaaaay.

[NewCorkSeth]

Hard to argue a winger who gets 7-9 assists has had a good season? Okaaaaaaay.

he had upwards of 70 crosses? over twice the playing time of kebe with 4 less goals and 6 more assists.

Over 10 more starts than HRK and 6 less goals with only 3 more assists.

And MCCleary manage 8 assists and four goals in 20 apps. That in comparison to Jobi's 7 assists and 1 goal in 40 apps.

He was the worst performing winger last season.

[RoyallyFcuked]

Reading's Jobi McAnuff attempted 43 shots (including blocked shots) in the Premier League without scoring this season, more than any other player.

830: Reading put in more crosses than any other team. (That went well....)

I think this only proves my point that his crossing was poor. A couple of you said that he gets a good supply of crosses in the box, yeah... what good is that when they are all shit? Under McDermott it seemed the only thing we tried to do was get the ball wide and cross it in, but most the time the crosses were too deep and went out of play. To be fair it wasn't just Jobi, all our wingers and full backs were doing it. But I still think they would all have a better successful cross ratio than McAnuff. He assisted 3 goals from crosses in the whole season and played in every game, sorry McAnuff lovers but I'm afraid that means he didn't do a good job.

[Royal Ginger]

He's never been an amazing crosser, i'll accept that, but what the stats don't show is the runs he made, the cut-ins, the through balls, the lay offs, the hold-ups and the times he got back and times he saved Harte's arse. The fact he didn't score is a statistical anomaly, he had some great shots, got in some excellent positions, just a touch of luck and he'd have had 4 or 5 last season.

[Snowball]

THROUGH BALLS?

I thought we were arguing for the whole season that we hardly ever managed a through ball?

[Hoop Blah]

McAnuff isn't in the team just to clock up statistical outcomes, his role is obviously a lot more than that.

[One8Seven1]

HRK's new contract to be announced this week.

[Snowball]

McAnuff isn't in the team just to clock up statistical outcomes, his role is obviously a lot more than that.

I agree, Hoop, but people like Ian Royal keep quoting his assists as if
they are "good" while overlooking his assists per minute are quite low.

He doesn't score enough goals when compared with HRK, Jimmy or McLeary
and he doesn't get as many goals+assists per minute played as these players

I'm not convince "other things" compensate for these relative deficits

Here are the four wingers compared for the last 4-5 seasons.


HRK & McLeary are 1 Prem + 3 Champ seasons, Kebe & McAnuf are 1+4

179 Appearances 13,185 Minutes - 29 Goals - 44 Assists = 73 MCs = (1 MC every 181 Minutes) Age 29.5 Kebe
105 Appearances 04,966 Minutes - 16 Goals - 11 Assists = 27 MCs = (1 MC every 183 Minutes) Age 24.1 HRK (IMPROVING)
111 Appearances 04,982 Minutes - 14 Goals - 12 Assists = 26 MCs = (1 MC every 191 Minutes) Age 26.1 McCleary (IMPROVING)
197 Appearances 16,657 Minutes - 15 Goals - 45 Assists = 60 MCs = (1 MC every 277 Minutes) Age 31.7 McAnuff

As can be seen Kebe, HRK and McLeary make a major attacking contribution almost exactly
once every 2 games. McAnuff once every three games. We should add to this that McAnuff
is past his peak (surely) and will be too old in 2014-15.

HRK and McCleary are still raw, improving players. HRK got a goal every 180 minutes in the Prem last season!



Premiership 2012-13

25 Appearances 01,279 Minutes 07 Goals 02 Assists 09 MCs - (1 MC every 182 Minutes) HRK
23 Appearances 01,480 Minutes 05 Goals 02 Assists 07 MCs - (1 MC every 211 Minutes) Kebe
31 Appearances 01,597 Minutes 03 Goals 03 Assists 06 MCs - (1 MC every 266 Minutes) McCleary
38 Appearances 03,266 Minutes 00 Goals 09 Assists 09 MCs - (! MC every 363 Minutes) McAnuff

Last Three/Four Championship Season's

080 Appearances 03,385 Minutes - 11 Goals - 09 Assists 20 MCs (1 MC every 169 Minutes) McCleary
156 Appearances 11,705 Minutes - 24 Goals - 42 Assists 66 MCs (1 MC every 177 Minutes) Kebe
080 Appearances 03,687 Minutes - 09 Goals - 09 Assists 18 MCs (1 MC every 184 Minutes) HRK
159 Appearances 13,391 Minutes - 15 Goals - 36 Assists 51 MCs (1 MC every 263 Minutes) McAnuff

[donface]

Hi Snowball!

[Ian Royal]

McAnuff isn't in the team just to clock up statistical outcomes, his role is obviously a lot more than that.

I agree, Hoop, but people like Ian Royal keep quoting his assists as if
they are "good" while overlooking his assists per minute are quite low.

I'm quoting them because they are good, not exceptional, but good. I'm not just quoting statistics out of context and in my own made up format. You can't extrapolate what a player would get over a whole season based on assists per minutes as if its somehow reliable... it's what they actually get that matters. If Kebe / McCleary / HRK were that much better they'd have played more. Or in Kebe's injury riddled case, got more assists in previous years.

If you check the links I provide you can see that McAnuff performs consistently well for across the whole division he's in as well, if he has such a poor assists to minu...yawn....tes ratio he wouldn't feature so highly in the division stats table.

I seem to recall that the main reason I quoted the last lot of stats about him, was because some utter burk tried to say he rarely touched the ball in 2009/10 and was one of our least effective players. Which was blatantly absurd.

[P!ssed Off]

McAnuff isn't in the team just to clock up statistical outcomes, his role is obviously a lot more than that.

I agree, Hoop, but people like Ian Royal keep quoting his assists as if
they are "good" while overlooking his assists per minute are quite low.

I'm quoting them because they are good, not exceptional, but good. I'm not just quoting statistics out of context and in my own made up format. You can't extrapolate what a player would get over a whole season based on assists per minutes as if its somehow reliable... it's what they actually get that matters. If Kebe / McCleary / HRK were that much better they'd have played more. Or in Kebe's injury riddled case, got more assists in previous years.

If you check the links I provide you can see that McAnuff performs consistently well for across the whole division he's in as well, if he has such a poor assists to minu...yawn....tes ratio he wouldn't feature so highly in the division stats table.

I seem to recall that the main reason I quoted the last lot of stats about him, was because some utter burk tried to say he rarely touched the ball in 2009/10 and was one of our least effective players. Which was blatantly absurd.

Yes, in pointing out McAnuff's 9 assists in 2009/2010, you proved that McAnuff touched the ball at least 9 times during that season.
This, therefore, immediately disproved my comment "He rarely even touched the ball and was one of our least involved players."

Once again, you can't get to grips between the difference between 'involved' and 'effective'.
A striker that gets one chance in a game and finishes it is 'effective', but if that is their only touch in the game then they are hardly 'involved'.

But no, your assist stat was not particularly relevant.

To illustrate how irrelevant your stat was, let's imagine that the player in question was not your beloved McAnuff and instead a striker.
"He rarely even touched the ball and was one of our least involved players."
"LMFAO. He was our top scorer with 9."

[RoyallyFcuked]

If Kebe / McCleary / HRK were that much better they'd have played more.

LMAO you serious? McAnuff was such a big favourite of McDermott, (and was/is also the captain) hence why he played every game while the others were forced to always be behind him in the pecking order, regardless of performance. And Adkins was hardly going to come in and drop the captain straight away, even though he wouldn't have been wrong to do so.

All the other wingers were more effective than CrapAnuff in the time that they played, and the overall stats prove that. Case closed.

[Ian Royal]

If you want to carry on making yourself look stupid, I'm not going to stand in your way.

And I quoted Pissed Off. Unless you are the same person. In which case LOLz @ you.

[winchester_royal]

If Kebe / McCleary / HRK were that much better they'd have played more.

LMAO you serious? McAnuff was such a big favourite of McDermott, (and was/is also the captain) hence why he played every game while the others were forced to always be behind him in the pecking order, regardless of performance. And Adkins was hardly going to come in and drop the captain straight away, even though he wouldn't have been wrong to do so.

All the other wingers were more effective than CrapAnuff in the time that they played, and the overall stats prove that. Case closed.

[NewCorkSeth]

I think talking about how good or bad, effective or useless he was in any other season apart from last season is pointless as it is his form from last season that should dictate whether or not he should start this season and I dont think anyone can say with honesty he was not our worst performing winger last season. Regardless of the stats, that clearly show he was the worst no matter what way you cook them, all you had to do was watch the games to see he performed terribly.

Noel Hunt, like Jobi, also "gave it his all" and "pushed himself all the way" and whatever other taglines you want to give it and he was released from the club. IMO because he had a crap season, was 30 and we have better players in his position. Jobi for obvious reason could not be released but I think he will be dropped to the bench to make room for the new boys.

[maffff]

Hunt said himself he held some preliminary discussions with the club about a one year deal, but he wanted two as he wanted stability following marriage. So IMO YO is wrong. He chose to leave.

[Snowball]

To repeat. 9 assists and no goals is, apparently, good. (McAnuff)

And is somehow better than 7 goals and 2 assists in a third of the time (HRK)

[RoyallyFcuked]

If you want to carry on making yourself look stupid, I'm not going to stand in your way.

And I quoted Pissed Off. Unless you are the same person. In which case LOLz @ you.

No we are not the same person, I just back him up because he is often one of the only people on here that talks any sense. In this case I was just replying to your absurd comment. The funny thing is you are so convinced that you're right that you brush off other views as nonsense yet you rarely have a reply/argument to the real points we make, other than "you're talking shit" or something similar, without anything to back it up. You are the one making yourself look stupid, your man crush on CrapAnuff is blinding you from the obvious truth. So its really LOLz @ you, you gimp.