Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by facaldaqui » 25 Apr 2016 19:47

I am always in favour of giving managers more time, even if I do not like them. But I think Clarke was up against it after meeting Fulham, considering his team were playing badly. If he is right that he was told he was welcome to stay, then that is a bit off coming shortly before he was sacked. But from the interview it sounds as if Clarke does not read signals very well, and so I would not rely on his interpretation of what was said to him. Very naive if he thought what he had done would make no difference to the strength of his position.

He is saying he would have gone to Fulham had he known Reading were going to sack him. But he did not know that, because at that time he was still likely to have been given more time. He came back and said that what was on offer at Fulham was not as good as what he had at Reading; but now he is saying he wished he had gone to Fulham and that Reading was a difficult club to manage. So if he felt like that, he should have gone to Fulham.

I know there are people who are opposed to Brian; but he does have the advantage of knowing where he stands with the club--cutting cloth and all that. It is all right saying lets get someone else in, but if we got another high-profile manager like Clarke or Adkins, we would be in the same boat of having a manager who felt he had been sold a pup.
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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by Top Flight » 25 Apr 2016 19:52

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Ian Royal He'd had a year and only managed a single 7 game period of good results.


He was told the club didn't want him to speak to Fulham, but wouldn't stand in his way. He spoke to them. He was then told, in front of the press and in no uncertain terms, that results would have to improve significantly. He then preceded to win an easy game and lose the next two. Bye bye.

As Vision said, he had unprecedented levels of support in bringing in new players.

As for things getting more difficult with a few injuries, if he hadn't picked shockingly flawed teams with Piazon playing as a left winger ffs, then things wouldn't have gotten so difficult.

The guy's record here speaks for itself. It's shit. Not quite Rodgers shit, but still shit. Whether McDermott is doing well or was the right replacement doesn't make Clarke have done any less of a shit job. His position was untenable, his performance was poor. Funnily enough he got sacked.


Just like you have done with the likes of Mills and Dellor you are letting your personal feelings towards someone take over any rationality you may have.


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You don't like it because Ian Royal makes a good argument and you can't counter with an equally good argument.

Just saying +1 or -1 isn't making an argument and just making nonsense statements like it's just Ian Royals personal feelings towards someone takes over his rationality is a nonsense.

At the end of the day, Clarke has admitted that the job at Reading was difficult so he wanted to talk to Fulham. Once he got there he found out that the job at Fulham was also going to be difficult or the greedy bast&rd wasn't going to get paid enough so he came back. That sort of behaviour inspires no confidence in a manager whatsoever. Based on that he was rightly fired.

In contrast, Brian isn't scared of hard work or difficulty, he thrives in it. He is a true winner. A real Reading hero.

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by Top Flight » 25 Apr 2016 20:02

facaldaqui I am always in favour of giving managers more time, even if I do not like them. But I think Clarke was up against it after meeting Fulham, considering his team were playing badly. If he is right that he was told he was welcome to stay, then that is a bit off coming shortly before he was sacked. But from the interview it sounds as if Clarke does not read signals very well, and so I would not rely on his interpretation of what was said to him.

He is saying he would have gone to Fulham had he known Reading were going to sack him. But he did not know that, because at that time he was still likely to have been given more time. He came back and said that what was on offer at Fulham was not as good as what he had at Reading; but now he is saying he wished he had gone to Fulham and that Reading was a difficult club to manage. So if he felt like that, he should have gone to Fulham.

I know there are people who are opposed to Brian; but he does have the advantage of knowing where he stands with the club--cutting cloth and all that. It is all right saying lets get someone else in, but if we got another high-profile manager like Clarke or Adkins, we would be in the same boat of having a manager who felt he had been sold a pup.


From a social media perspective, It is only a very loud minority of 3 or 4 nobbers that are opposed to Brian. The vast but silent majority are greatly in support of Brian. One of the nobbers that is opposed to Brian is No Fixed Abode who supports Chelsea and not Reading. His thoughts are not authentic. His only mission is to wind up the supporters with nonsense, pointless arguments. Him being opposed to Brian is irrelevant since he is not a Reading fan.

The fact that Brian received a great reception at QPR on Saturday from genuine, authentic Reading supporters demonstrates just how highly regarded and revered he is by the Reading support.

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by wingnut » 25 Apr 2016 21:12

Howe, immediately after Clarke opted to stay, said, not “I wouldn’t think anybody with any sense would say that you aren’t going to be slightly disappointed with somebody who considers another opportunity.

“I think Steve can only show his worth to the club now by being successful on the pitch. If he’s not then you’re back in a really difficult scenario again.

Clarke himself said at the time that folk at the club weren't happy about him wanting to talk to Fulham so he's being more than a bit disingenuous now.

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by Mid Sussex Royal » 25 Apr 2016 21:53

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facaldaqui I am always in favour of giving managers more time, even if I do not like them. But I think Clarke was up against it after meeting Fulham, considering his team were playing badly. If he is right that he was told he was welcome to stay, then that is a bit off coming shortly before he was sacked. But from the interview it sounds as if Clarke does not read signals very well, and so I would not rely on his interpretation of what was said to him.

He is saying he would have gone to Fulham had he known Reading were going to sack him. But he did not know that, because at that time he was still likely to have been given more time. He came back and said that what was on offer at Fulham was not as good as what he had at Reading; but now he is saying he wished he had gone to Fulham and that Reading was a difficult club to manage. So if he felt like that, he should have gone to Fulham.

I know there are people who are opposed to Brian; but he does have the advantage of knowing where he stands with the club--cutting cloth and all that. It is all right saying lets get someone else in, but if we got another high-profile manager like Clarke or Adkins, we would be in the same boat of having a manager who felt he had been sold a pup.


From a social media perspective, It is only a very loud minority of 3 or 4 nobbers that are opposed to Brian. The vast but silent majority are greatly in support of Brian. One of the nobbers that is opposed to Brian is No Fixed Abode who supports Chelsea and not Reading. His thoughts are not authentic. His only mission is to wind up the supporters with nonsense, pointless arguments. Him being opposed to Brian is irrelevant since he is not a Reading fan.

The fact that Brian received a great reception at QPR on Saturday from genuine, authentic Reading supporters demonstrates just how highly regarded and revered he is by the Reading support.



Don' t think that is quite the case - most of the polls conducted on here and Get Reading indicate at best 60/40 supporting him.

The fact of the matter is that he has done worse than Clarke PPG and some of the excuses trotted out on here are ludicrous - eg

1. He has to play the loan players - where's the evidence of that?
2. The players are leaving so have no motivation - if this is the case it's one persons fault - THE MANAGER
3. Its not his team - quite honestly a large number of the summer signings were down to overseas contacts of the Thais, Quinn and McShane, who were down to Clarke, have been amongst our best players.

I am not at all convinced we will move forward next season.


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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by Top Flight » 25 Apr 2016 22:06

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facaldaqui I am always in favour of giving managers more time, even if I do not like them. But I think Clarke was up against it after meeting Fulham, considering his team were playing badly. If he is right that he was told he was welcome to stay, then that is a bit off coming shortly before he was sacked. But from the interview it sounds as if Clarke does not read signals very well, and so I would not rely on his interpretation of what was said to him.

He is saying he would have gone to Fulham had he known Reading were going to sack him. But he did not know that, because at that time he was still likely to have been given more time. He came back and said that what was on offer at Fulham was not as good as what he had at Reading; but now he is saying he wished he had gone to Fulham and that Reading was a difficult club to manage. So if he felt like that, he should have gone to Fulham.

I know there are people who are opposed to Brian; but he does have the advantage of knowing where he stands with the club--cutting cloth and all that. It is all right saying lets get someone else in, but if we got another high-profile manager like Clarke or Adkins, we would be in the same boat of having a manager who felt he had been sold a pup.


From a social media perspective, It is only a very loud minority of 3 or 4 nobbers that are opposed to Brian. The vast but silent majority are greatly in support of Brian. One of the nobbers that is opposed to Brian is No Fixed Abode who supports Chelsea and not Reading. His thoughts are not authentic. His only mission is to wind up the supporters with nonsense, pointless arguments. Him being opposed to Brian is irrelevant since he is not a Reading fan.

The fact that Brian received a great reception at QPR on Saturday from genuine, authentic Reading supporters demonstrates just how highly regarded and revered he is by the Reading support.



Don' t think that is quite the case - most of the polls conducted on here and Get Reading indicate at best 60/40 supporting him.

The fact of the matter is that he has done worse than Clarke PPG and some of the excuses trotted out on here are ludicrous - eg

1. He has to play the loan players - where's the evidence of that?
2. The players are leaving so have no motivation - if this is the case it's one persons fault - THE MANAGER
3. Its not his team - quite honestly a large number of the summer signings were down to overseas contacts of the Thais, Quinn and McShane, who were down to Clarke, have been amongst our best players.

I am not at all convinced we will move forward next season.


The bottom line is that Brian has inherited a complete shambles. If you think it can be fixed in a couple of months you're mad. There is no manager that can fix the mess inside 3 months. Not Mourinho, not sir Alex, not even Pep Guardiola. If Terry Bullivant was our manager right now, I'd be arguing that he needs time to fix a shambolic mess.

Whether we move forward or not next season doesn't only depend on Brian. He is important, but he can only make it happen with support from the owners, the players, the supporters and the media. Let's get behind Brian and support the team to success. Or did you want him out?

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by Lower West » 25 Apr 2016 22:40

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How can BM rebuild on the basis he doesn't get a say on recruitment, and a player could be sold in the blink of an eye ..


Who has said that? The players that left wanted to go (along with there egos), I'm sure Evans was a McD signing.

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by Maneki Neko » 26 Apr 2016 09:39

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So you think Rakels was Brian's signing ?


Does it matter. We needed a striker. We got one.

Judging by the interview at the weekend even McD has warmed to him. The players certainly have.



How can BM rebuild on the basis he doesn't get a say on recruitment, and a player could be sold in the blink of an eye ..


doesn't get a say? :lol:

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by Maneki Neko » 26 Apr 2016 09:46

1. He has to play the loan players - where's the evidence of that?


from a club source - we pay the wages, or at least more of the wages of at least two loan players, if they do not play while fit. exctly the same as with chalobah last year
it may not be the evidence you wish for, but its a kind of evidence.


2. The players are leaving so have no motivation - if this is the case it's one persons fault - THE MANAGER

A, its not his fault theyre leaving, B, there has been no evidence whatsoever about the team getting the flip flops on ready for the beach, or sulking, effort and motivation 9on the pitch has been fine. we just don't have a striker capable of putting it in the net. the same as the last three seasons (apart from blackmans little patch, who we then sold)


3. Its not his team - quite honestly a large number of the summer signings were down to overseas contacts of the Thais, Quinn and McShane, who were down to Clarke, have been amongst our best players.
A :lol: :lol: :lol: B whats that got to do with Brian?


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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by maffff » 26 Apr 2016 12:04

Lower West Hurtado set Reading back £1.5m .
Sa £1.13m

These were Clarke's signings.


No he didn't. :lol: :lol: not even a fraction of that.

Plus both of those were owners signings.

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by genome » 26 Apr 2016 12:21

I know Rakels was an owners signing, but what's the source for Hurtado and Sa? (Sa because he came from the same league as Rakels?)

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by No Fixed Abode » 26 Apr 2016 12:24

Kermit the frog = BM signing = Been shit
Rakels = Not a BM signing = Been good

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by Top Flight » 26 Apr 2016 12:34

No Fixed Abode Kermit the frog = BM signing = Been shit
Rakels = Not a BM signing = Been good


You're getting a bit boring Chelsea fan.


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by Armadillo Roadkill » 26 Apr 2016 12:36

No Fixed Abode Kermit the frog = BM signing = Been shit
Rakels = Not a BM signing = Been good


Kermorgant - BM singing - been good with more to come
Rekels - scouted by the owner's scout, signing approved by Brian - been good with more to come

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by No Fixed Abode » 26 Apr 2016 12:39

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No Fixed Abode Kermit the frog = BM signing = Been shit
Rakels = Not a BM signing = Been good


Kermorgant - BM singing - been good with more to come


Ah right - just on social media this doesn't really ring true.

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by WoodleyRoyal » 26 Apr 2016 12:40

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No Fixed Abode Kermit the frog = BM signing = Been shit
Rakels = Not a BM signing = Been good


You're getting a bit boring Chelsea fan.


but he's right though :?

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by Armadillo Roadkill » 26 Apr 2016 12:45

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No Fixed Abode Kermit the frog = BM signing = Been shit
Rakels = Not a BM signing = Been good


Kermorgant - BM singing - been good with more to come


Ah right - just on social media this doesn't really ring true.


So your assessment of them is based only on social media?

Not being funny - I know you're a Chelsea fan, fair enough, doesn't stop you from having opinions about Reading on here - but I thought you at least watched Reading play a bit if not every game - otherwise, how can you comment?

Kermorgant has been solid. Of course there could be more goals. So I'm sticking by good with (probably) more to come.

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by Top Flight » 26 Apr 2016 13:01

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No Fixed Abode Kermit the frog = BM signing = Been shit
Rakels = Not a BM signing = Been good


You're getting a bit boring Chelsea fan.


but he's right though :?


His thoughts are not authentic. He doesn't speak with Reading's best interest at heart. He is irrelevant.

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by WoodleyRoyal » 26 Apr 2016 13:10

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You're getting a bit boring Chelsea fan.


but he's right though :?


His thoughts are not authentic. He doesn't speak with Reading's best interest at heart. He is irrelevant.


look, Kes can be an annoying turd at times, but occasionally he is right and this is an example of one where he is. If you don't like his posts put him on your iggy list.

cant believe i'm sticking up for kes

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Re: Clarke interview on Goals on Sunday

by No Fixed Abode » 26 Apr 2016 13:15

Some of my m8s are Reading fans and go all the time - I'm only re-iterating their opinion. Don't shoot the messenger.

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