MATCHWATCH : Derby County (a)

[bcubed]

Bit pointless to blame the reason we lost on the actual reason we lost? Is this guy for real?

It all evens itself out over the course of a season. There will be games that if you look back on, were decided by decisions that went for us.

The even itself out cliche is possibly the most annoying in football. It’s absolute nonsense and there is no statistical or rational basis for it.

Well quite

[windermereROYAL]

It all evens itself out over the course of a season. There will be games that if you look back on, were decided by decisions that went for us.

The even itself out cliche is possibly the most annoying in football. It’s absolute nonsense and there is no statistical or rational basis for it.

Well quite

Don`t know why you get embroiled with the biggest wind up merchant on this site to be honest.

[Stranded]

However, in both cases a Reading player probably made a poor decision to find themselves in a situation where a poor decision could be made by the ref.

How is Yids not tripping Gayle a poor decision?

For his 2nd yellow, he tried to turn his way out of trouble when surrounded by Derby players - ball ran away from him and he went to lunge in to try and correct - pulled out and the player dived. Ref bought the dive and you know the rest.

If had just looked to clear his lines when he was in a bit of trouble, team could have reset to defend any subsequent attack.

[Greatwesternline]

However, in both cases a Reading player probably made a poor decision to find themselves in a situation where a poor decision could be made by the ref.

How is Yids not tripping Gayle a poor decision?

For his 2nd yellow, he tried to turn his way out of trouble when surrounded by Derby players - ball ran away from him and he went to lunge in to try and correct - pulled out and the player dived. Ref bought the dive and you know the rest.

If had just looked to clear his lines when he was in a bit of trouble, team could have reset to defend any subsequent attack.

Indeed. The better you are as a defender, the better your judgement is at knowing which balls you can lunge for and knowing which balls you have lost.

Dribbling your way out of trouble if it is beyond your skill set is another thing a better defender wouldnt do. A better defended either clears the ball from danger, knowing he is in a dangerous part of the pitch, or an even better one (a PL one) spots a fellow defender he can play the ball to who is in space who can deal with it.

[WestYorksRoyal]

The thing is, if your default is to simply clear the ball whenever things get tricky, you never keep possession, spend 90 minutes defending and normally lose. So defenders need to take risks playing out. It didn't work out this time, but it wouldn't have been a costly error without a howler of a refereeing decision.

[leon]

Or an even better one audaciously lobs their keeper to give us the lead.

[rabidbee]

Why is only the PL considered important enough to be wrecked by VAR when the lower divisions are much more in need of it given the awful refereeing standards that we've had to endure these last few seasons?

Because it costs too much to run in lower divisions & imagine some grounds don't have the right infrastructure to put it in place properly.

Also, if you think that the standard of officiating is poor, why would you think adding an extra level of officials will improve things? Has VAR actually removed any of the controversies, or just made them about VAR officials instead of on-field officials?

[Sutekh]

Will it be a 2 game ban for Yiadom? As he got that stupid red off the bench at Northampton? Makes it even more costly. Is Abrefa ready?

Yes and Yes.

[Stranded]

The thing is, if your default is to simply clear the ball whenever things get tricky, you never keep possession, spend 90 minutes defending and normally lose. So defenders need to take risks playing out. It didn't work out this time, but it wouldn't have been a costly error without a howler of a refereeing decision.

Of course, but you have to then accept if the risk you take goes wrong, you take what follows out of your hands and Yiadom gave a card happy ref the chance to flash a card. Yiadom had done something similar earlier in the game, a fantastic turn and burst into space but there were only 2 Derby players around him, in this instance he either hadn't realised there was an extra player or two around him which made it much higher risk and likely to fail.

Even without the "foul" that followed, he would have given the ball away in an area where the next action would likely have been a shot or a a ball into the box.

So no problem with risk taking but in this instance, it wasn't the right time to take a risk.

[stealthpapes]

That is fcuking disgraceful https://twitter.com/jmac_urz/status/176 ... yrKDA&s=19 Gayle should get a 3 game ban for that

It looked soft from the safe standing in real time. That's a joke.

https://twitter.com/jmac_urz/status/1767661591548334389?t=keY1krJBLhN7wkxRoyrKDA&s=19

and that's clearly handball. You could see the various player reactions at the time, and the ball took an odd path consistent with neither keeper nor player taking it cleanly.

So yeah, that's the first game this season I've seen where I think we've been robbed. Derby were better - not that much better in terms of ability but streets ahead in game management and mentality. BUT for a few solid spells, we gave them a solid match. Getting back into the game was brilliant - not sure I've celebrated a goal as wildly this season.

It wasn't just the two key decisions. We got into a bit of a scrap and, as a lower down away team, we ain't going to win that. 5 yellows (4 plus a second), 3 from them, in what wasn't a bad tempered game.

[windermereROYAL]

Same referee, nobody blocking his view here.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1699419493880013117

[WestYorksRoyal]

From what I've read, Derby were better than us, but it's not like they were carving out chance after chance and we were hanging on. We could well have got a point without the ref, or who knows nicked it with a set piece. Or perhaps they would have finished strongly and found a winner late on.

And that's what's frustrating. They're 2nd, you go away expecting to lose but you want to be beaten fair and square if so. We weren't.

[stealthpapes]

In terms of players, Elliot started to actually get into a game but was probably weakest, Mola needs to think quicker, rest were all solid except for at the end where subs had to come on and chase long balls, Pereira impressed - two or three very good saves and very good at getting ball going again once caught.

[Franchise FC]

If you dont want to concede penalties, you don't rush out of your box and bundle into a player, knowing that will mean the ref will have to make a decision based on what he has seen.

Every single comment along the lines of "it was crystal clear" is because you are watching on a TV with the best vantage point. A ref is standing behing strikers as they run towards goal so wont be able to see what is happening in front of the players chest.

Its stupid keeping. No rush out, no pen.

Just to be clear, if a keeper rushes out of his box it can’t be a penalty … in any circumstances

[Greatwesternline]

If you dont want to concede penalties, you don't rush out of your box and bundle into a player, knowing that will mean the ref will have to make a decision based on what he has seen.

Every single comment along the lines of "it was crystal clear" is because you are watching on a TV with the best vantage point. A ref is standing behing strikers as they run towards goal so wont be able to see what is happening in front of the players chest.

Its stupid keeping. No rush out, no pen.

Just to be clear, if a keeper rushes out of his box it can’t be a penalty … in any circumstances

You have more than one box

[stealthpapes]

One last thought - Dorsett back is a good thing. If you look at our recent run of games, its been slightly disappointing. One of the biggest enforced changes has been losing Dorsett during the Fleetwood game. While Mola has improved, you'd have Dorsett back every day of the week.

[WestYorksRoyal]

Will be interesting to see how we approach FBs with Yiadom suspended. I'd like to see Abrefa start, but I suspect it'll be Mola RB and Dorsett LB.

Changing topic, anybody else exhausted by every bad result feeling existential? It feels like the 3rd season in a row we're fighting relegation with the club's future in the balance. Forget being mid-table, wouldn't it be great to be in a relegation battle with a committed owner and a plan to bounce back if we go down?

Ref decisions come and go, but last night's bellend may have played a part in liquidating the club.

[RoyalBlue]

Why is only the PL considered important enough to be wrecked by VAR when the lower divisions are much more in need of it given the awful refereeing standards that we've had to endure these last few seasons?

Because it costs too much to run in lower divisions & imagine some grounds don't have the right infrastructure to put it in place properly.

Also, if you think that the standard of officiating is poor, why would you think adding an extra level of officials will improve things? Has VAR actually removed any of the controversies, or just made them about VAR officials instead of on-field officials?

That indeed is the crux of the problem.

I know some of our players aren't exactly angels when it comes to 'winning decisions'. However, blatant cheating makes it even more difficult for what are bog-standard officials. Maybe the authorities need to look even more at cracking down retrospectively on cheating so that players begin to realise that it's not worth the risk.

[RoyalBlue]

Will be interesting to see how we approach FBs with Yiadom suspended. I'd like to see Abrefa start, but I suspect it'll be Mola RB and Dorsett LB.

Changing topic, anybody else exhausted by every bad result feeling existential? It feels like the 3rd season in a row we're fighting relegation with the club's future in the balance. Forget being mid-table, wouldn't it be great to be in a relegation battle with a committed owner and a plan to bounce back if we go down?

Ref decisions come and go, but last night's bellend may have played a part in liquidating the club.

If you see his atrocious decisions against Derby in a previous match you can't help wondering whether he was trying to even things out!

[Sutekh]

Same referee, nobody blocking his view here.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1699419493880013117

jeez!

For some reason he doesn't seem to have a game next week....