Rodgers: The 'Truth'

[Royal With Cheese]

I love the Smith debate. In the end he chose Pompey not Reading/Rodgers. If he truly believed in the "World Class Model" and "European Football" he would be here now.

[Dirk Gently]

I love the Smith debate. In the end he chose Pompey not Reading/Rodgers. If he truly believed in the "World Class Model" and "European Football" he would be here now.

Like 99% of people in the world would, he chose a pay packet at least doble the size of what we were offering.

[Hoop Blah]

I love the Smith debate. In the end he chose Pompey not Reading/Rodgers. If he truly believed in the "World Class Model" and "European Football" he would be here now.

At half the money and in the league below? I don't care how much he believed in Rodgers we're not going to get a player to turn down Premiership football or Premiership money to join our 'project.'

[Royal With Cheese]

I love the Smith debate. In the end he chose Pompey not Reading/Rodgers. If he truly believed in the "World Class Model" and "European Football" he would be here now.

Like 99% of people in the world would, he chose a pay packet at least doble the size of what we were offering.

At least we're actually paying our players!

Look - that's pure conjecture. Pompey are no bigger than Reading (in some ways way worse off) We have no idea what Smith's proposed wages were. Saying that, I don't blame the lad for joinging them at that Juncture.

[Dirk Gently]

I love the Smith debate. In the end he chose Pompey not Reading/Rodgers. If he truly believed in the "World Class Model" and "European Football" he would be here now.

Like 99% of people in the world would, he chose a pay packet at least doble the size of what we were offering.

At least we're actually paying our players!

Look - that's pure conjecture. Pompey are no bigger than Reading (in some ways way worse off) We have no idea what Smith's proposed wages were. Saying that, I don't blame the lad for joinging them at that Juncture.

Do you really think that there is any question that the financial offer Portsmouth (a PL club) made to TS was massively bigger than what we offered him, and one we could never compete with?

As the avergae PL salary is 3.51 times the average CCC salary, "double" is surely a conservative estimate.

[Duke the Dog]

TBH, it doesn't matter now does it. BM is the new manager, end of.

I think 90% of the posters on here accept that Rodgers (whilst flawed and inexperienced) was NOT the sole reason that we're in the predicament that we're in.

I don't think we'll ever know the full truth, but seeing as it's taken over a month to appoint someone who was already at the club with even less management experience (at 1st team level - CCC or otherwise!) it's baffling to say the least.

The king is dead, long live the king!

[Only one Trevor Morley]

I heard some interesting stuff about Rodgers last night from my source- but unfortunately he asked me not say anything until the end of the season.


What I can say though is Rodgers is a Liar

What's the point behind this post then?

this poster normally has very good inside info - care to at least indicate the general topic that BR was thought to be lieing about?

[floyd__streete]

I don't see that it makes any difference at all that Rodgers said he wanted the player, when the player himself had decided he was going to Reading.

So you don't think for one moment that Rodgers speaking out before a bid had even been accepted in any way hindered negotiations? Ok, you're entitled to your opinion

I could understand the fact that results may not be good to start with. I could accept that, so long as I could see development within the club (and I could).

List me these developments. Brendan Rodgers Methodology - that methodology which has scarcely produced any home-grown players for Chelsea during his time as youth coach there. I am fascinated as to what positive spin you are trying to put on Rodgers insisting that players with limited ability like Cisse should adapt to his complex system.

Well done everyone, you have got what you wanted. You have all bought the crap that has been spouted by the club about Rodgers and the current position.

Give yourselves a big gold star. (or a watch if you prefer)

What crap have they spouted? Madejski grizzled that it was the hardest decision he has had to make, that results were poor. Otherwise nothing else has been mentioned since. And LOL @ thinking that the fans are somehow to blame. You are quite loopy.

[Maguire]

care to at least indicate the general topic that BR was thought to be lieing about?

He didn't actually have a world class model or a three year plan

[brendywendy]

Pompey are no bigger than Reading

.............oh cmon!

[floyd__streete]

So, you headhunt a young manager with strong links to the club, then sack him before he's even played every team in the division, when we're not even in the bottom three, and when you don't have anybody lined up to replace him.

Insanity.

Yep, I wouldn't disagree that sacking BR without having an external replacement in mind is absolute lunacy.

[Hoop Blah]

List me these developments.

The only ones that really matter for me are that:

- we went from being a side that played dull, unimaginative pretty route one percentage football that created very little chances and saw us score even fewer goals to a side that played some entertaining stuff that saw us create plenty of chances and dominate games (even if we hadn't quite mastered the art of putting the ball in the back of the net)
- we were also developing the youngsters reasonably well, although there was a long way to go in that respect too

Brendan Rodgers Methodology - that methodology which has scarcely produced any home-grown players for Chelsea during his time as youth coach there. I am fascinated as to what positive spin you are trying to put on Rodgers insisting that players with limited ability like Cisse should adapt to his complex system.

Chelsea have had some half decent youngsters come through their youth system recently, they haven't quite made it into the most expensively assembled team in the country yet though, but that's asking a hell of a lot isn't it?

Did Rodgers actually play Cisse that much? I thought that in Howard, Bertrand, McAnuff and Rasiak he bought in players that could play his system relatively well. The likes of Karacan, Matejovsky, Gunnarsson etc etc he had players that adapted pretty well. It was only the lack of a centre forward (or a winger) to add to Rasiaks goals that stopped us winning a few more games.

[Royal With Cheese]

Pompey are no bigger than Reading

.............oh cmon!

Only in history are they a "bigger" club. We're averaging similar sort of crowd sizes. They're not paying their players, getting SKY cash and their webiste is currently down (as they haven't paid their bills) so the only way you can buy tickets is by phoning up or calling at the club directly.

[brendywendy]

theyre in the prem now, and have been for years, we were just passing tourists

yes they are a shamblLOLes
but thats different to being bigger/smaller than reading
who are currently aslo slightly shambolic

[Dirk Gently]

Pompey are no bigger than Reading

.............oh cmon!

Only in history are they a "bigger" club. We're averaging similar sort of crowd sizes. They're not paying their players, getting SKY cash and their webiste is currently down (as they haven't paid their bills) so the only way you can buy tickets is by phoning up or calling at the club directly.

That's the situation today - what was the situation in the last week in August, which is the only tme that's relevant to this discussion?

As far as the PL was concerned then, they were solvant enough for there not to be a transfer embargo, and they were (at that time) due to be receiving over £30M of TV income from the PL. Their revenue this season was going to be at least 5 or 6 times ours.....

[Royal With Cheese]

theyre in the prem now, and have been for years, we were just passing tourists

yes they are a shamblLOLes
but thats different to being bigger/smaller than reading
who are currently aslo slightly shambolic

7th and last after 40 years in the lower leagues.
By your reconing Wimbledon would be bigger than us.

[Royal With Cheese]

That's the situation today - what was the situation in the last week in August, which is the only tme that's relevant to this discussion?

As far as the PL was concerned then, they were solvant enough for there not to be a transfer embargo, and they were (at that time) due to be receiving over £30M of TV income from the PL. Their revenue this season was going to be at least 5 or 6 times ours.....

OK. You guys have made your point. It would always be difficult to turn down a Prem club but it wouldn't surprise me that he signed on a similar wage structure to what we were offering. Again there is no proof either way.

[Dirk Gently]

That's the situation today - what was the situation in the last week in August, which is the only tme that's relevant to this discussion?

As far as the PL was concerned then, they were solvant enough for there not to be a transfer embargo, and they were (at that time) due to be receiving over £30M of TV income from the PL. Their revenue this season was going to be at least 5 or 6 times ours.....

OK. You guys have made your point. It would always be difficult to turn down a Prem club but it wouldn't surprise me that he signed on a similar wage structure to what we were offering. Again there is no proof either way.

Except that we do know TS turned down higher offers than ours (from Sheff Utd & Wolves) to wait for us, and that the offer made by Portsmouth was substantially more than ours ad one that we couldn't match. BR said that at the August fans' forum.

[Hoop Blah]

You'd have to be living in a whole different world, not just a different country, to think Pompey were going to be offering him the same sort of money as us RwC!

[Dirk Gently]

Sums up a lot of this forum though - why let facts and/or the blindingly obvious get in the way of something that supports your argument?