Rival Watch

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hendo » 23 Aug 2022 17:41

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Dodgy = against the rules. They have sold the player registration so something has changed hands. I agree owners having multiple clubs gives scope for being creative but all businesses constantly look at what they can do legally to benefit themselves.


Lol. No its not. Against the rules = against the rules.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dodgy

A dodgy car salesman isn't breaking any law, but they're doing things which are a bit underhand and dishonest - same is happening here.

What you have described is essentially dodgy, as it is trying to use a loophole to circumnavigate FFP rules which are in place. The rules which are in place should stop something like this happening. Added to the fact this is happening right after another big transfer deal fell through, come on? You'd have to be the most rose-tinted glasses Watford fan ever to think that nothing underhand is going on here.

A player is registered at one club, who's owners own another club. Essentially nothing has changed hands, the player is still registered to the Pozzi family at the top level.


Someone who is ‘dishonest’ is doing something against the rules !
Exploiting a loop hole is not dishonest, it’s what every company tries to find.
The player isn’t registered to the Pozzi family, Only clubs can hold player registrations.
Clearly they are doing something to ensure they don’t fall foul of FFP but they are using legal methods to do it.


He essentially is registered to the family though, if they're just going to bounce his registration between clubs, without anything actually happening. If he ends up playing more than 5 games for Udinese I'll be staggered.

Again, doing something legal can also mean it is dodgy. Not to get too overboard, but the age of consent in UK is 16, legally a 16 year old can have sex and be in a relationship with someone older, maybe 18 or 19. That is legal but would still be considered pretty dodgy.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hendo » 23 Aug 2022 17:46

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Mr Angry How to stop this?

Here are 3 easy to follow steps:

1. a player cannot be sold from Club A to Club B if the ownership of Club's A and B are the same (prevents direct circumvention of FFP rules)
2. a player cannot be sold from Club A to Club C, who then sell the player to Club B, within a 24 month period (closes the loophole where a 2nd club buys a player then immediately sells him onto another club owned by the same owners as the selling club of that player)
3. a player cannot be sold from Club A to Club C if a 3rd Party pays for the purchase of that player (closes the loophole where another organisation supplies the funds to the buying club to purchase the player - an organisation almost certainly connected in a myriad of ways to selling Club A)

Obviously, loaning the player immediately back to the selling club (as has happened between Udinese and Watford) is simply taking the pi$$, and by not stopping this clear circumvention of FFP rules, it opens the door to other, even more extreme, cases.


Rules would need to be a lot smarter than that. You could drive a coach and Horses through those .
Pozzi A owns club A, Pozzi B owns Club B. Suddenly they can do exactly what you are trying to stop.
And it happens between clubs that have different owners (Hello Michael Hector)


The fact it happens between different clubs with different owners is totally irrelevant. Chelsea wanted Hector, Reading said yes, but we wanted to keep him for a year. Chelsea weren't going to play him that year, it helped Reading out, it helped with the players development and Chelsea got their player - there is nothing dodgy about that. It was a deal that suited all parties and doesn't put any other club at a major disadvantage.

The £16m paid for this player, is basically a gift from the owner that falls outside the FFP regulations. Tell me how that is fair to the other 23 clubs who aren't (or can't) benefiting from having an owner who owns 2 pretty decently sized clubs and can just do this as often as he likes.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 23 Aug 2022 18:21

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Possibly, though it wasn't outlandish to the Chinese market at the time.

The thing that makes this look dodgy, is the immediate loan back and the fact it comes so quickly after the Sarr deal fell through.


Except it’s not dodgy. There is no regulation of transfer fees or independent valuation process, there is no restriction on buying and selling between clubs whoever owns them. Not sure how you would stop it anyway.


Just because there is no regulation, doesn't make it not dodgy.

They've essentially moved £16m from one club to the other with nothing changing hands to skirt round FFP/debt issues, would say that has dodgy written all over it.

This.

Our loan of Aluko was also dodgy, just much much less dodgy.

I'm not sure banning transfers between clubs with the same owners would be a bad thing. Naturally some complications... but would stop this bullshit.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hound » 23 Aug 2022 19:59

It’s playing the rules really isn’t it. Like selling your stadium in Derby for 80m.

It’s not illegal but it’s not exactly playing fair either

The Aluko loan was obviously stretching things if it really was a 3m fee. But that’s small fry compared to the 16m fee here

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Re: Rival Watch

by Pepe the Horseman » 25 Aug 2022 09:49

Stoke have sacked MON. Got Sean Dyche written all over it.


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Re: Rival Watch

by Stranded » 25 Aug 2022 09:58

Pepe the Horseman Stoke have sacked MON. Got Sean Dyche written all over it.


Can't say I'm surprised but that is a lot of squad building they've sanctioned this summer for him to get rid so early into the campaign.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hendo » 25 Aug 2022 10:02

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Pepe the Horseman Stoke have sacked MON. Got Sean Dyche written all over it.


Can't say I'm surprised but that is a lot of squad building they've sanctioned this summer for him to get rid so early into the campaign.


I'm sure there were some rumblings from last season that all was not well. But yeah, surprised that it has happened this early into the season.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hound » 25 Aug 2022 10:16

No surprise

Thought after last weekend he was likely to get the boot

Not good for Laurent

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Re: Rival Watch

by Stranded » 25 Aug 2022 10:48

Guess Stoke are hoping to be the club to do a Forest this year. Start badly, sack the manager, waltz up the table for the rest of season.


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Re: Rival Watch

by From Despair To Where? » 25 Aug 2022 11:20

Pretty sure Sean Dyche will be setting his sights a little bit higher than Stoke.

I'd hate to be a Stoke fan. As far back as I can remember (mid 70s), they've always been the dourest, most dull as fcuk team to watch.

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Re: Rival Watch

by tidus_mi2 » 25 Aug 2022 11:37

The great name being linked with the Stoke job is...
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Joey Barton

lol

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Re: Rival Watch

by Franchise FC » 25 Aug 2022 11:38

tidus_mi2 The great name being linked with the Stoke job is...
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Joey Barton

lol

Do we think that he’d get away with thumping PInce ?

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Re: Rival Watch

by From Despair To Where? » 25 Aug 2022 11:55

tidus_mi2 The great name being linked with the Stoke job is...
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Joey Barton

lol


Rather have Joey Deacon.


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Re: Rival Watch

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 25 Aug 2022 12:15

Surprised it's happened this early but Stoke definitely give me the feeling it's boom or bust for them this season otherwise FFP will come calling.

I hope they don't go up personally. No issue with them, just want to see another club but us sanctioned by restrictions, would make a change.

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Re: Rival Watch

by SouthDownsRoyal » 25 Aug 2022 12:35

From Despair To Where?
tidus_mi2 The great name being linked with the Stoke job is...
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Joey Barton

lol


Rather have Joey Deacon.


Rather have joey Essex

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Re: Rival Watch

by Mr Angry » 25 Aug 2022 12:38

Best memory of going to Stoke was the game at the end of a season where we were in the play offs and they were seriously threatened with relegation; our chants of "we can smell your fear from here" were spot on the money!

Sadly, they didn't get relegated.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hendo » 25 Aug 2022 12:41

SouthDownsRoyal
From Despair To Where?
tidus_mi2 The great name being linked with the Stoke job is...
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Joey Barton

lol


Rather have Joey Deacon.


Rather have joey Essex


Rather have an actual joey

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Re: Rival Watch

by URZZZZ » 25 Aug 2022 13:28

O’Neill’s sacking been coming for a while. As others have said, by all accounts, their style has been dire for some time now, surprised it’s taken them this long

Martin and Wilder are perhaps in trouble next which is the next game on the fixture list

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Re: Rival Watch

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 25 Aug 2022 13:30

URZZZZ O’Neill’s sacking been coming for a while. As others have said, by all accounts, their style has been dire for some time now, surprised it’s taken them this long

Martin and Wilder are perhaps in trouble next which is the next game on the fixture list


They were poor at the back end of last season - seems like it's going to be Dyche though that seems like he will be taking charge.

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Re: Rival Watch

by paultheroyal » 25 Aug 2022 13:45

From Despair To Where?
tidus_mi2 The great name being linked with the Stoke job is...
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Joey Barton

lol


Rather have Joey Deacon.



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