How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

[No Fixed Abode]

Very encouraged by the way we played last night. More thsn matched Hull and unlucky to lose. The team needs a break, a fresh start and some new blood. It doesn't need a new manager.

I'm still backing Brian.

One example...........Klopp's doing a semi-decent job at Liverpool working with what he has.......

[From Despair To Where?]

4 defeats on the trot
9 goals conceded

Ship continues to steady.

Has BM's PPG gone above Clarke's yet?

I guess we'll be able to make a fairer comparison if he asks for permission to speak to Bolton in the summer.

[Hoop Blah]

Things HAVE gone tits-up! This whole summer is things going tits-up.

The issues we're faced with at the moment aren't down to lack of funding though, they're down to not getting the best out of the resources we've got and, probably, having far too many players in the squad who are here for the short term and don't really care about what happens here.

McDermott has built a reputation on building teams, spotting talent and supposedly getting the best from his players through exception man management. Next season, and the summer window, will give him a great chance to prove if that reputation is well founded or not.

McDermott has built a reputation for building a team, singular. Whether he can build another is yet to be seen.

Nah, to be fair to him I'd argue he built/re-built at least two teams after losing Sigurdsson and Long. The team that won the league was quite different to the one he evolved from Rodgers squad.

[Ian Royal]

I'd argue he patchworked teams rather than built a coherent one to a set plan over time. Did a great job of that though.

At this stage, I'm more interested in performances and style of play than results. Performances are very encouraging, we have a new set of graduates ready to bolster the squad and a summer available to fill the problematic places.

I think we're better off than we werethis time last year when results were poor, performances were poor, the manager was poor and we were losing several of our better performers.

This year results are poor and we're losing a bunch of disappointments.

[Top Flight]

Very encouraged by the way we played last night. More thsn matched Hull and unlucky to lose. The team needs a break, a fresh start and some new blood. It doesn't need a new manager.

I'm still backing Brian.

One example...........Klopp's doing a semi-decent job at Liverpool working with what he has.......

No he isn't. Liverpool aren't even close to the top 4. Complete failure of a season for the Red army.

[genome]

Poor old Klopp, having to make do with players like Coutinho

[No Fixed Abode]

Very encouraged by the way we played last night. More thsn matched Hull and unlucky to lose. The team needs a break, a fresh start and some new blood. It doesn't need a new manager.

I'm still backing Brian.

One example...........Klopp's doing a semi-decent job at Liverpool working with what he has.......

No he isn't. Liverpool aren't even close to the top 4. Complete failure of a season for the Red army.

Well, they're on a good run of form at present despite being on their holidays in the league, 1 defeat in the 6 I think and in the Semi-final of the Europa League. So as I said, he's doing a 'semi' decent job with the squad he has.

[No Fixed Abode]

Poor old Klopp, having to make do with players like Coutinho

One star player. Yes well done.

[genome]

I'm amazed they managed to get to the semis of the Europa League with just £146m worth of talent on the field!

[No Fixed Abode]

I'm amazed they managed to get to the semis of the Europa League with just £146m worth of talent on the field!

OK - I'll spell it out for you.

You keep making excuses saying this isn't McDermotts team. Much the same as that isn't Klopps team. Reading had some heavy investment in the team during the summer in Championship terms.

So you're contradicting yourself YET again.

[genome]

I'm amazed they managed to get to the semis of the Europa League with just £146m worth of talent on the field!

OK - I'll spell it out for you.

You keep making excuses saying this isn't McDermotts team. Much the same as that isn't Klopps team. Reading had some heavy investment in the team during the summer in Championship terms.

So you're contradicting yourself YET again.

My point is it's a stupid comparison. If you look closely I never said Klopp was doing a bad job, I think he is doing a decent job, but he does have good players and infrastructure to work with already in place. You can't just compare two different clubs under two completely different circumstances, histories, levels of talent, resources, you name it. Football doesn't work in black and white, which is what people have been trying to get through to you for weeks.

I just find it funny you keep claiming I'm contradicting myself and when I show you I'm not, you ignore my post, cover your ears and repeat your point

[No Fixed Abode]

I'm amazed they managed to get to the semis of the Europa League with just £146m worth of talent on the field!

OK - I'll spell it out for you.

You keep making excuses saying this isn't McDermotts team. Much the same as that isn't Klopps team. Reading had some heavy investment in the team during the summer in Championship terms.

So you're contradicting yourself YET again.

Besides, you can't defend Liverpool for being on their holidays in the league and criticise Reading when they are on a poor run with nothing to play for.

Of course I can compare. Two different divisions but managers in charge of squads they didn't choose. You have infrastructure in place - a stadium, decent youth side etc. Yet you keep making excuses for everything

It's clear my point is with regards to the league - both teams are on their holidays but Liverpool are still getting results in the league and entertaining their fans for the most part yet you continue to defend BM for woefully poor results. But it's ok - he's steadied the ship

[Top Flight]

One example...........Klopp's doing a semi-decent job at Liverpool working with what he has.......

No he isn't. Liverpool aren't even close to the top 4. Complete failure of a season for the Red army.

Well, they're on a good run of form at present despite being on their holidays in the league, 1 defeat in the 6 I think and in the Semi-final of the Europa League. So as I said, he's doing a 'semi' decent job with the squad he has.

McDermott's doing a pretty good job as well with the cr*p excuse of players that he has at his disposal.

[Top Flight]

I'm amazed they managed to get to the semis of the Europa League with just £146m worth of talent on the field!

It's not like Europe's top clubs take that competition seriously. Tottenham put their reserves out for their game with Borussia. Well done Liverpool for doing well in Europe's reserve team competition.

[genome]

Of course I can compare. Two different divisions but managers in charge of squads they didn't choose. You have infrastructure in place - a stadium, decent youth side etc. Yet you keep making excuses for everything

It's clear my point is with regards to the league - both teams are on their holidays but Liverpool are still getting results in the league and entertaining their fans for the most part yet you continue to defend BM for woefully poor results. But it's ok - he's steadied the ship

I actually took that out of my post just after I posted because I misread your point with regards to league form.

But my main point still stands. Klopp has millions of pounds worth of talent, quality players that can change the game in an instant that you find at a club like Liverpool. He is also, just throwing it out there, probably a better manager than Brian.

Brian has had to recover a squad assembled by Clarke full of loanees, he did steady the ship, and now the squad has nothing to play for, they have slipped. Which is no surprise considering a great bulk of the squad is out of contract or going back to their parent clubs. Klopp doesn't have that problem. Two completely different situations.

Seriously m8, just look at the wider picture for just a little bit

[No Fixed Abode]

Of course I can compare. Two different divisions but managers in charge of squads they didn't choose. You have infrastructure in place - a stadium, decent youth side etc. Yet you keep making excuses for everything

It's clear my point is with regards to the league - both teams are on their holidays but Liverpool are still getting results in the league and entertaining their fans for the most part yet you continue to defend BM for woefully poor results. But it's ok - he's steadied the ship

I actually took that out of my post just after I posted because I misread your point with regards to league form.

But my main point still stands. Klopp has millions of pounds worth of talent, quality players that can change the game in an instant that you find at a club like Liverpool.

But it's all relative as Klopp is competing with other expensively assembled squads in the Premier League.

[Extended-Phenotype]

4 defeats on the trot
9 goals conceded

Ship continues to steady.

Has BM's PPG gone above Clarke's yet?

Better to wobble now when there is nothing to play for than when you are 2nd in the league m8

Less than 13k there last night. I'm sure the Thai's are disappointed from a business perspective too.

But what is your point, kes?

When Brian came in, there were some signs of improvement. That's what we acknowledged. Now its gone to pot. But so what? Are you saying we should sack Brian? That would be a bit rash, don't you think?

Do the results show that we shouldn't have sacked Clarke? We didn't sack Clarke due to the results, though. And we have no idea how he would have got on. His recent form before he went suggested he wouldn't have fared much better.

I don't think anybody is saying we are playing well. So what point are you trying to make out of interest, if there is one?

[Top Flight]

Of course I can compare. Two different divisions but managers in charge of squads they didn't choose. You have infrastructure in place - a stadium, decent youth side etc. Yet you keep making excuses for everything

It's clear my point is with regards to the league - both teams are on their holidays but Liverpool are still getting results in the league and entertaining their fans for the most part yet you continue to defend BM for woefully poor results. But it's ok - he's steadied the ship

I actually took that out of my post just after I posted because I misread your point with regards to league form.

But my main point still stands. Klopp has millions of pounds worth of talent, quality players that can change the game in an instant that you find at a club like Liverpool. He is also, just throwing it out there, probably a better manager than Brian.

Brian has had to recover a squad assembled by Clarke full of loanees, he did steady the ship, and now the squad has nothing to play for, they have slipped. Which is no surprise considering a great bulk of the squad is out of contract or going back to their parent clubs. Klopp doesn't have that problem. Two completely different situations.

Seriously m8, just look at the wider picture for just a little bit

Just ignore him Genome. He's just a Chelsea fan here to wind us all up. The opinion of a Chelsea fan is not important. You don't need to keep trying to score points on him. He will never be convinced when his mission is to slam McDermott regardless. McDermott has an outstanding track record as a Reading manager. He is one of only two people who have ever promoted Reading to the Premier League. We know he can do it, he has form. The current mess is not of McDermott's making. We brought him in to trouble shoot and solve the problems. Now some people don't want him to have the time to solve the problems. When that's coming from a Chelsea fan just ignore it. Who care's what a Chelsea fan thinks.

[genome]

Of course I can compare. Two different divisions but managers in charge of squads they didn't choose. You have infrastructure in place - a stadium, decent youth side etc. Yet you keep making excuses for everything

It's clear my point is with regards to the league - both teams are on their holidays but Liverpool are still getting results in the league and entertaining their fans for the most part yet you continue to defend BM for woefully poor results. But it's ok - he's steadied the ship

I actually took that out of my post just after I posted because I misread your point with regards to league form.

But my main point still stands. Klopp has millions of pounds worth of talent, quality players that can change the game in an instant that you find at a club like Liverpool.

But it's all relative as Klopp is competing with other expensively assembled squads in the Premier League.

Liverpool can compete though.

We may have invested in the summer but our net spend was in the black. And with other Championship clubs spending £9m+ on players, do you think Reading can compete with that? No. So they get a manager in who is good at building teams on the cheap, which he currently hasn't had a chance to do. In fact, he's had to deal with losing his two top scorers.

But well done on disregarding the rest of my post, again

[Extended-Phenotype]

Of course I can compare. Two different divisions but managers in charge of squads they didn't choose. You have infrastructure in place - a stadium, decent youth side etc. Yet you keep making excuses for everything

It's clear my point is with regards to the league - both teams are on their holidays but Liverpool are still getting results in the league and entertaining their fans for the most part yet you continue to defend BM for woefully poor results. But it's ok - he's steadied the ship

I actually took that out of my post just after I posted because I misread your point with regards to league form.

But my main point still stands. Klopp has millions of pounds worth of talent, quality players that can change the game in an instant that you find at a club like Liverpool. He is also, just throwing it out there, probably a better manager than Brian.

Brian has had to recover a squad assembled by Clarke full of loanees, he did steady the ship, and now the squad has nothing to play for, they have slipped. Which is no surprise considering a great bulk of the squad is out of contract or going back to their parent clubs. Klopp doesn't have that problem. Two completely different situations.

Seriously m8, just look at the wider picture for just a little bit

Just ignore him Genome. He's just a Chelsea fan here to wind us all up. The opinion of a Chelsea fan is not important. You don't need to keep trying to score points on him. He will never be convinced when his mission is to slam McDermott regardless. McDermott has an outstanding track record as a Reading manager. He is one of only two people who have ever promoted Reading to the Premier League. We know he can do it, he has form. The current mess is not of McDermott's making. We brought him in to trouble shoot and solve the problems. Now some people don't want him to have the time to solve the problems. When that's coming from a Chelsea fan just ignore it. Who care's what a Chelsea fan thinks.

Aye, I'm not sure why we keep taking the bait tbh