Stranded Not saying it's the true answer Snowy, just mentioning that part of the incident which hasn't been mentioned to date and could add a different slant to things.
Stranded Just to add something else to this - but I was sat right behind the incident in the East. Prior to the sock pulling up, Kebe had actually gestured to Cummings not to pass him the ball - he did, then the incident happened which caused the furore. It's possible that this wasn't actually a pi$$ take but that Kebe did actually just want to sort his sock out.
melonheadIan RoyalThe Real Sandhurst Royal The media are all dicks when it come to incidents like this they put the judges gown and wig on and make stupid comments that are biased one way this time Kebe has taken the brunt of it.
Collison's challenge on Kebe was premeditated and could well have caused significant injury.
Same Allardyce's post match interview sums it up for me, very fair comments all round, maybe the media should take a leaf out of Big Sams book.
Agree with all that except the significant injury bit.
kicking someone hard in the kneee can do that cant it?
Ian RoyalStranded Just to add something else to this - but I was sat right behind the incident in the East. Prior to the sock pulling up, Kebe had actually gestured to Cummings not to pass him the ball - he did, then the incident happened which caused the furore. It's possible that this wasn't actually a pi$$ take but that Kebe did actually just want to sort his sock out.
I'd add to that that he may have felt a twinge and wanted to stretch it, given he doesn't go straight for the sock and you don't have to bend over fully for that. Looked like he was stretching his calves a bit. Or maybe I've been watching it in slow mo too much.
Not that I really believe he wasn't just killing time and being typically casual for the lols.
Snowball - it's pretty basic biology and physics. The Tibia and Fibula are thicker at the top and therefore harder to break there. Most breaks I've seen happen at ankle to mid-calf when the foot is grounded with weight on it (not in the air like Kebe's) and the challenge comes from the side, and when the challenge is directed through the leg, not down it.
Ian Royal You're so pathetic. Half a dozen or so.
Seeing as you want to get pissy and you always claim expertise in a myriad of fields, I've also had some training in where you can and can't kick someone in the leg safely.
Ian Royal You're so pathetic. Half a dozen or so.
Seeing as you want to get pissy and you always claim expertise in a myriad of fields, I've also had some training in where you can and can't kick someone in the leg safely.
SnowballIan Royal You're so pathetic. Half a dozen or so.
Seeing as you want to get pissy and you always claim expertise in a myriad of fields, I've also had some training in where you can and can't kick someone in the leg safely.
Classic!
What's that, two weeks beginners' Jiu-Jitsu?
blindedbythelights Dirk. Earlier.
Svlad CjellipaultheroyalSilver Fox ^ nice work
What I've not seen mentioned in all the hoo-ha (not your best day Dirk) is just how premeditated Collison's challenge was. While consumed with LOLz last night I went to bed convinced that St Jimmy's actions had prompted an immediate shove but catching up on th FLS this morning he really had time to think about what he was going to do. Inexcusable
Agreed and agree that Dirk is having a bit of a mare here.
Really? I don't see what you're finding so difficult here (although I appreciate from the number of times I've proved PTR wrong why he might be trying to score a point).
Ian Royal I've lost my rag loads. I've never lashed out at someone physically when I do it though. At least not since I was 5.
Avon Royalblindedbythelights Dirk. Earlier.
Dirk's angle on this is really odd.
He seems to have got in a right tizz because people won't accept that a player could lose his temper over someone fiddling with their shinpads, but then he himself can't understand when people get wound up over racist comments on our national broadcaster.
Odd.
Terminal Boardom You big bunch of cry babies. Showboating at Reading is nothing new. Who else can remember the story when Archie nutmegged Geordie in training and shouted "NUTS"? Geordie, in his own inimitible style told Archie in no uncertain terms that doing that sort of thing was unacceptable.
Take the blinkers off. There is no place for blatant piss taking like that. I am not surprised that Collison lumped him. I would probably have done the same. Isn't there a "Respect" campaign in football? Because what Kebe did WAS disrespectful.
sandmanTerminal Boardom You big bunch of cry babies. Showboating at Reading is nothing new. Who else can remember the story when Archie nutmegged Geordie in training and shouted "NUTS"? Geordie, in his own inimitible style told Archie in no uncertain terms that doing that sort of thing was unacceptable.
Take the blinkers off. There is no place for blatant piss taking like that. I am not surprised that Collison lumped him. I would probably have done the same. Isn't there a "Respect" campaign in football? Because what Kebe did WAS disrespectful.
More importantly, what happened to that 4-0 humiliation you predicted?
Must admit, when I heard the score, my first reaction was 
followed by 
Ian Royalmelonhead :lol:
IN! for more pointless arguing
its very easy to misjudge a rake down someones shins, if hed caught it wrong, or accidentally straightened his leg, it could ahve been a leg breaker
like when hunty caught his foot in the turf and nearly killed czech
& i may well accept your definition of could well.The Meaning of "Could Well"
The doctor says "He might well die tomorrow." That is different from saying "He might die tomorrow". The second sentence is, logically speaking, true about anyone. There might be Gricean principles that raise the probability -- why is the doctor saying that? But in "You should say you love him because he might die tomorrow", the phrase could mean just that he, like anyone else, might die tomorrow.
I think the doctor is saying that there is some reason why he might die tomorrow, such as a serious injury. This reason raises the probability above the level of just the background statistical probability. I think there is a second aspect to the meaning, which is that the probability has become worth considering.
"Could/might very well" increases the liklihood of things further,though neither of them would necessarily mean it was very Likely
Think you've gotta catch someone pretty hard to break their leg when you hit that high up. Side of the knee is another matter. Worst case scenario he oxf*rd up his knee cap (which in itself can be nasty). How about we meet in the middle with a 20% chance of a moderate injury?
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