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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by Extended-Phenotype » 15 Apr 2013 11:31

soggy biscuit Guthrie does do a great job at making himself look dynamic in situations where he fails to deliver. He is your classic arm waving, finger pointing, scampering sideways player who makes it look like there is a lot of urgency and passion about what he does. I noticed a number of times when the fans groaned at something he would then charge back to the defence and demand they gave him the ball as if to suggest that he was taking charge of the sorry situation, he would then point a lot, wave his arms around in a demanding fashion before unleashing a 10 yard pass off the side of the pitch at which point he would look to the heavens and shake his head in disbelief that he was having to play with such poor footballers.

The mong element would then lap it up and applaud the dynamic player who obviously wants to take game by the scruff of the neck but somehow somewhere McAnuff probably messed things up for him.


Yeh, and the pass which hit that unicorn grazing by the side of the pitch was particularly awful. Nearly made me drop my centaur burger.

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by melonhead » 15 Apr 2013 11:42

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by No Fixed Abode » 15 Apr 2013 12:00

I hate to say I told you so about Liverpool supporters......

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by Scutterbucketz » 15 Apr 2013 12:21

No Fixed Abode I hate to say I told you so about Liverpool supporters......


You were right, Kes! 96 wasn't enough :roll:

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by No Fixed Abode » 15 Apr 2013 12:47

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No Fixed Abode I hate to say I told you so about Liverpool supporters......


You were right, Kes! 96 wasn't enough :roll:


I've never said that. FACT.


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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by Scutterbucketz » 15 Apr 2013 12:49

Ok, what was it you said?

If it was that 75% to 90% of them are arseholes then I would be inclined to agree.

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by Maguire » 15 Apr 2013 13:03

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But that's what Adkins kept screaming at him to do. Everytime McCarthy kicked the ball forward, Adkins was yelling at him to pass it out wide.


OK fair enough in that case Adkins OUT!

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by floyd__streete » 15 Apr 2013 13:07

Just back from the game. 10 times an improvement on Southampton & Arsenal, but it was another loss really without the heroics of McCarthy. Gr8 display of goalkeeping.

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by winchester_royal » 15 Apr 2013 13:08

Yeah, passing the ball is WRONG. Hoofball is the way forward. This season has taught us that above all else.


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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by Maguire » 15 Apr 2013 13:11

winchester_royal Yeah, passing the ball is WRONG. Hoofball is the way forward. This season has taught us that above all else.


I know you're only a child, but anyone who uses the word "hoofball" is an epic belmont.

Passing the ball is "wrong" if it's across the face of your own goal to the feet of an opposition striker or if it puts your last defender under pressure.

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by winchester_royal » 15 Apr 2013 13:17

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winchester_royal Yeah, passing the ball is WRONG. Hoofball is the way forward. This season has taught us that above all else.


I know you're only a child, but anyone who uses the word "hoofball" is an epic belmont.

Passing the ball is "wrong" if it's across the face of your own goal to the feet of an opposition striker or if it puts your last defender under pressure.


Nice work, takes a real adult to throw around words like 'epic' and 'belmont'.

He never passed it across the face of his own goal, he gave it to Morrison from GK's where the Liverpool defense were set up deep and would have mopped up any attempted long balls quite happily. The more the players get used to playing the ball from the back the better they will become at it. It will be a struggle at first, but they have to start somewhere and when they get it right it will be considerably more effective than long-balls that 9/10 times the opposition will collect with ease.

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by floyd__streete » 15 Apr 2013 13:22

winchester_royal The more the players get used to playing the ball from the back the better they will become at it. It will be a struggle at first, but they have to start somewhere and when they get it right it will be considerably more effective than long-balls that 9/10 times the opposition will collect with ease.


Over-simplification of the decade there tbh.

To pass the ball accurately requires a degree of skill in the first place which too many of our players don't possess, too many of our lot uncomfortable with the ball at their feet. Take Gunter's abberation first half. Reminds me of Brendan Rodgers expecting the likes of Kalifa Cisse to start spraying passes around - it is unlikely to be too successful a venture!

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by winchester_royal » 15 Apr 2013 13:26

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winchester_royal The more the players get used to playing the ball from the back the better they will become at it. It will be a struggle at first, but they have to start somewhere and when they get it right it will be considerably more effective than long-balls that 9/10 times the opposition will collect with ease.


Over-simplification of the decade there tbh.

To pass the ball accurately requires a degree of skill in the first place which too many of our players don't possess, too many of our lot uncomfortable with the ball at their feet. Take Gunter's abberation first half. Reminds me of Brendan Rodgers expecting the likes of Kalifa Cisse to start spraying passes around - it is unlikely to be too successful a venture!


Yes, but if Adkins is going to bring in players more suitable to playing like that in the summer then he's better off finding out which players we have are capable of passing the thing 6 yards so he knows who he should keep.

It takes time, patience, and perseverance as well as significant investment to completely change a style. Given that Nigel has been brought in to do just that, partly because many fans have been calling for exactly that, he's better off starting now rather than telling the players to play in a way that has proved to be unsuccessful and will be different to how he wants us to play next season..surely?


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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by floyd__streete » 15 Apr 2013 13:30

winchester_royal It takes time, patience, and perseverance as well as significant investment to completely change a style. Given that Nigel has been brought in to do just that, partly because many fans have been calling for exactly that, he's better off starting now rather than telling the players to play in a way that has proved to be unsuccessful and will be different to how he wants us to play next season..surely?


:shock: at somehow giving the fans some credit for a change in manager/style. They'll soon be moaning at misplaced passes next season and groaning "geddit forward" when we're losing with 20 minutes left :lol:

To say the previous style was 'unsuccessful' is revisionism. Of course, it hasn't been successful this season for Reading but that is for all manner of reasons rather than chiefly the style of play per se. Stoke's current plight aside, they have made a success of a direct style, as Bolton also did for a decade in the top flight.

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by winchester_royal » 15 Apr 2013 13:35

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winchester_royal It takes time, patience, and perseverance as well as significant investment to completely change a style. Given that Nigel has been brought in to do just that, partly because many fans have been calling for exactly that, he's better off starting now rather than telling the players to play in a way that has proved to be unsuccessful and will be different to how he wants us to play next season..surely?


:shock: at somehow giving the fans some credit for a change in manager/style. They'll soon be moaning at misplaced passes next season and groaning "geddit forward" when we're losing with 20 minutes left :lol:

To say the previous style was 'unsuccessful' is revisionism. Of course, it hasn't been successful this season for Reading but that is for all manner of reasons rather than chiefly the style of play per se. Stoke's current plight aside, they have made a success of a direct style, as Bolton also did for a decade in the top flight.


The style has proved unsuccessful for us this season, hence there would seem to be little point in carrying on playing that way in the last few games, was my point.

Obviously there are examples of teams who have benefited from a direct style, but given that Adkins was brought in by Anton to bring a slightly more modern approach to our football than there was previously I don't think it's unreasonable for him to ask the players to at least try passing the ball before hitting it long over Pog's head. I'm sure he'll be looking to bring in players more capable over the summer, but for now there doesn't seem to be too much harm in seeing which players we currently have are capable of adapting.

The fans seemed to me to be very patient on Saturday, and looked to be enjoying the (very marginally atm) more cultured football we're producing.

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by floyd__streete » 15 Apr 2013 13:37

Fair enough, Winch, can't disagree with any of that.

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by Esteban » 15 Apr 2013 13:45

Couldn't make the game, but listened to BBCRB and I've finally had a chance to watch some highlights.

Quite obviously we are a work in progress and the project is in its infancy. But the change that Adkins has been able to make in such a short amount of time, especially when you consider he's already used 20 players, does give hope for next season. I think it could take him a couple of summers to assemble a squad of players that are capable of playing the game to his demands, but when he gets there, I think he'll have us playing some exciting football again. However, it's way too early to assess whether or not it'll be enough to take us back up.

I really hope that Adkins finds a few players in our academy that are good enough to make the step up. Utilising some of our youngsters is the only way I could potentially see him accelerating the process.

At the very least, it's nice to hear some optimism from people again. Kudos to NA for that.

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by Caversham Royal » 15 Apr 2013 13:57

It was nice to actually walk out from a game feeling more of a sense of pride for a change! :)
It's true that, but for McCarthy's heroics, Liverpool could have got a few but Reading had their chances to pinch a result as well. After a shaky start, the team grew into the game & the contrast in 2nd half performances compared to the Southampton game was very marked to say the least. The passing style of the new regime is continuing to progess and this time, rather than looking resigned to their fate, the players looked more like a team willing to give their all for each other in order to try to get a +ve result.
Apart from McCarthy's standout performance, the other main bright spark as I'm sure most have already said was Carrico's contribution when he came on. He looked calm & collected, seemed to a have a decent eye for a pass & also put in some decent challenges at times as well. In him & Guthrie, we had two in the middle who looked comfortable & composed on the ball and on this brief showing look to have bit of potential as a decent midfield pairing or to be part of quite a strong 3-man central midfield if the manager opts for that instead.
It looks increasingly now like thsese positives won't be enough to keep us up save for a monumental turn around in fortunes for both Reading & the teams around them, but the long term future at whatever level the club are at next season is sill looking that bit brighter...

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by Twix » 15 Apr 2013 16:53

Today I was shown an article from The Daily Mail that said Reading fans responded to Liverpool's anti Thatcher songs with a chorus of "If you all love Maggie clap your hands".
They've since removed that line from the online version of the article which suggests this was made-up, did anybody hear that being sung?

If you need proof I'm not making this up put "love Maggie clap your hands" (with the quotation marks) into Google and you'll get a result from the original article.

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Re: BFTG - Liverpool

by MouldyRoyal » 15 Apr 2013 17:02

Didn't hear that.

Did hear intermittent booing spread around the ground when they were chanting anything celebratory with regard to MT's death. It wasn't full on booing though.

Also a very clear, "Always the victim" chant on a couple of occaisions.

Nothing else really of note from our side (other than the lolzworthy chant at Carrico as he came on)

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