BFTG Villa

[Hound]

Looks every bit as bad in real speed

The more I watch it, the more deliberate it looks tbh

Because you're constantly being told it is deliberate the incident will continue to look worse to you the more you watch it. This is why jurors in high profile cases have to stay away from social media, news coverage etc.

So exactly the same as you believing its accidental and it looking more accidental each time you view it right? Can you not just accept we all have different opinions and try not to be contrary by calling our opinion invalid as we are Reading fans.

Yep OMA, give it a rest fella. You think was accidental- fine that’s your opinion on it and nobody is bleating to you about how you are being influenced etc.

I’d love to give him the benefit of the doubt but I reckon there was at least some intent to catch him, and if so, it was a vicious thing to do.

Too many things - the dragging of his leg, the force it comes down with, hitting a small target bang in the face, the immediate call to the ref to stop the game when you’d think he would have no idea how bad he’d caught him if it was an accident...

[Old Man Andrews]

For reference I don't want anyone thinking I am saying Mings is innocent. My point is we just don't know and currently he has not been charged with any offence. There has been a huge knee jerk reaction to the incident based purely on the fact it has happened to a Reading player. Remember when Stephen Hunt kicked Cech in the head? What did we all think then? We all backed Stephen Hunt as he's not that sort of lad and there was no reason for him to do it. Our club association made us automatically defend him where as the wider football world accused him of doing it on purpose.

Like I mentioned before if the FA want to be consistent they will charge him as it is similar to the Zlatan incident. If he's found to be guilty then let's all slate the bloke from now until the end of time. I'm just saying hang on a minute and wait for nature to take its course.

[windermereROYAL]

Mark Halsey having his say on the incident,,,

https://twitter.com/RefereeHalsey/statu ... 7681016832

[3points]

Anyone else think that was a pretty poor performance overall from an attacking point of view? Felt a lot like the Stam days when we’d get into some reasonable positions but instead of attacking the box, whipping in a cross or shooting the players tried to make a pass too many or offload responsibility onto another player. Swift made lots of mistakes but we do need to persist with him as most of our good attacking play comes through him.

Defensively I thought that was as solid as we’ve looked all season. But it was probably to the detriment of the attacking side of our game. I liked the look of Miazga. Did his job well. Also, Ejaria’s work rate defensively shows what we’ve been missing with some of our other wide players this season. I liked that.

I thought the Richards sub looked like Gomes trying to play for a draw. Bit of extra defensive substance compared to Barrow, but he could have gone with McCleary as a half way house.

Overall, just a bit bored yesterday and think we’ll go down. We just don’t score enough goals

[Nameless]

For reference I don't want anyone thinking I am saying Mings is innocent. My point is we just don't know and currently he has not been charged with any offence. There has been a huge knee jerk reaction to the incident based purely on the fact it has happened to a Reading player. Remember when Stephen Hunt kicked Cech in the head? What did we all think then? We all backed Stephen Hunt as he's not that sort of lad and there was no reason for him to do it. Our club association made us automatically defend him where as the wider football world accused him of doing it on purpose.

Like I mentioned before if the FA want to be consistent they will charge him as it is similar to the Zlatan incident. If he's found to be guilty then let's all slate the bloke from now until the end of time. I'm just saying hang on a minute and wait for nature to take its course.

There’s been no knee jerk reaction, apart from you everyone seems to have had a fairly reasonable discussion with a range of views and no one else calling people names if they saw it differently.
It’s hardly surprising people want to talk about it and no reason we have to wait for the FA to pronounce before we say how we saw it.

And Hunt didn’t kick Cech anywhere. Chelsea fans had a ridiculous knee jerk reaction because that’s the sort of idiots they are. My objective assessment was that incident was caused by two players coming together, neither had the chance to pull out of the challenge and sadly one got hurt. Remind me how the FA dealt with it.

[Hound]

Anyone else think that was a pretty poor performance overall from an attacking point of view? Felt a lot like the Stam days when we’d get into some reasonable positions but instead of attacking the box, whipping in a cross or shooting the players tried to make a pass too many or offload responsibility onto another player. Swift made lots of mistakes but we do need to persist with him as most of our good attacking play comes through him.

Defensively I thought that was as solid as we’ve looked all season. But it was probably to the detriment of the attacking side of our game. I liked the look of Miazga. Did his job well. Also, Ejaria’s work rate defensively shows what we’ve been missing with some of our other wide players this season. I liked that.

I thought the Richards sub looked like Gomes trying to play for a draw. Bit of extra defensive substance compared to Barrow, but he could have gone with McCleary as a half way house.

Overall, just a bit bored yesterday and think we’ll go down. We just don’t score enough goals

Wouldn’t argue. Harriott was poor unfortunately as was Meite. Oliveira wasn’t getting much change out of the defence and Ejaria and Swift looked pretty without ever quite getting it right

Best thing I saw was Oliveira’s clever shot which caused a good save in the first half. That’s what we need from him

In retrospect McCleary and/or Barrow would have been a better option than Harriott

Strangely as both sides were hardly known for their defensive ability, I thought both sides defended very well yesterday

[URZZZZZZZZ]

Ejaria 3 - a Sone Aluko 17/18 performance, drifted inside and kept losing the ball, very disappointed

You have to be kidding me! Battled throughout the game, never stopped running, frequently won challenges, wasn't afraid to go into challenges where many would have held back, more often than not the ball stuck to his feet like glue as he weaved past/between several players (love the spin that he produces to get out of tight situations) and produced some good passes. Yes, on occasions passes didn't come off but that's always going to happen when players are trying to be creative. One of my contenders for MOM. I think he was one of the local journos' choice as MOM?

Just shows how differently people can see a game/players.

I saw his performance the same as you, first time I’ve seen him and I was impressed.

[Denver Royal]

How do you know he’s clouded ?
You are assuming....
Prove it....

Indeed.

The only person who truly knows if it was intentional is Tyrone Mings. He had said it was an accident so until someone can prove him to be lying that's all we can go on.

Well, he's hardly going to say it was intentional, so it isn't much to go on really?

[Zip]

Anyone else think that was a pretty poor performance overall from an attacking point of view? Felt a lot like the Stam days when we’d get into some reasonable positions but instead of attacking the box, whipping in a cross or shooting the players tried to make a pass too many or offload responsibility onto another player. Swift made lots of mistakes but we do need to persist with him as most of our good attacking play comes through him.

Defensively I thought that was as solid as we’ve looked all season. But it was probably to the detriment of the attacking side of our game. I liked the look of Miazga. Did his job well. Also, Ejaria’s work rate defensively shows what we’ve been missing with some of our other wide players this season. I liked that.

I thought the Richards sub looked like Gomes trying to play for a draw. Bit of extra defensive substance compared to Barrow, but he could have gone with McCleary as a half way house.

Overall, just a bit bored yesterday and think we’ll go down. We just don’t score enough goals

I made this point yesterday. We have to win some games. Draws here and there are not enough. We didn’t have one effort on target in the second half. Players were unwilling to shoot and kept passing.
Yes we looked more solid defensively and that’s welcome but we must start making possession count and be braver in front of goal.

[Greatwesternline]

Mark Halsey in response on Twitter has said intent was taken out of the laws years ago.

Which doesn’t entirely make sense but he must be right because he’s a ref.

I guess it means you have to actually make an effort to avoid stamping on someone’s face rather than simply carry on as you were and say it was accidental.

Therefore the debate as to whether he did or didn’t do it from a disciplinary point of view becomes redundant.

From a is he a nasty piece of work point of view it does still matter.

While Mings will say it was accidental it’s surprising that the same thing would happen twice to the same player given how rarely it happens at all.

Benefit of the doubt, maybe once, benefit of the doubt a second time? Very much not, additionally it casts suspicion on the first offence to an even greater extent.

[genome]

Stop piping up Leon, you've said nothing to add to the debate so just say nothing. You can't counter anything I've said.

Remember when you got banned for a couple of days for posting like this? And then when you came back you said you wouldn't do it again?

[Old Man Andrews]

Stop piping up Leon, you've said nothing to add to the debate so just say nothing. You can't counter anything I've said.

Remember when you got banned for a couple of days for posting like this? And then when you came back you said you wouldn't do it again?

So he's allowed to be offensive to me? I said nothing offensive to him. He's not adding to the debate and being offensive to me. Notice you leave his reply to me out in an effort to stitch me up. Wow.

[Needle]

TVP should be having a chat with Mr Mings

[genome]

Stop piping up Leon, you've said nothing to add to the debate so just say nothing. You can't counter anything I've said.

Remember when you got banned for a couple of days for posting like this? And then when you came back you said you wouldn't do it again?

So he's allowed to be offensive to me? I said nothing offensive to him. He's not adding to the debate and being offensive to me. Notice you leave his reply to me out in an effort to stitch me up. Wow.

How was saying "the irony" offensive?

[Old Man Andrews]

Remember when you got banned for a couple of days for posting like this? And then when you came back you said you wouldn't do it again?

So he's allowed to be offensive to me? I said nothing offensive to him. He's not adding to the debate and being offensive to me. Notice you leave his reply to me out in an effort to stitch me up. Wow.

How was saying "the irony" offensive?

You know full well why. Nothing more to say unless you want to contribute to the discussion point.

[genome]

So he's allowed to be offensive to me? I said nothing offensive to him. He's not adding to the debate and being offensive to me. Notice you leave his reply to me out in an effort to stitch me up. Wow.

How was saying "the irony" offensive?

You know full well why. Nothing more to say unless you want to contribute to the discussion point.

No, I don't. Enlighten me.

Unless your point is that he's not allowed to insinuate that you're thick, unintelligent and unable to argue objectively, but you're allowed to do that to other Hobnob users?

[Old Man Andrews]

Mark Halsey in response on Twitter has said intent was taken out of the laws years ago.

Which doesn’t entirely make sense but he must be right because he’s a ref.

I guess it means you have to actually make an effort to avoid stamping on someone’s face rather than simply carry on as you were and say it was accidental.

Therefore the debate as to whether he did or didn’t do it from a disciplinary point of view becomes redundant.

From a is he a nasty piece of work point of view it does still matter.

While Mings will say it was accidental it’s surprising that the same thing would happen twice to the same player given how rarely it happens at all.

Benefit of the doubt, maybe once, benefit of the doubt a second time? Very much not, additionally it casts suspicion on the first offence to an even greater extent.

Agreed the Mark Halsey response is interesting. Would be interested to hear from yesterday's official in any future FA investigation. If he's seen it and adamant it's an accident then the FA are in a difficult position in terms of charging Mings.

[Nameless]

Mark Halsey in response on Twitter has said intent was taken out of the laws years ago.

Which doesn’t entirely make sense but he must be right because he’s a ref.

I guess it means you have to actually make an effort to avoid stamping on someone’s face rather than simply carry on as you were and say it was accidental.

Therefore the debate as to whether he did or didn’t do it from a disciplinary point of view becomes redundant.

From a is he a nasty piece of work point of view it does still matter.

While Mings will say it was accidental it’s surprising that the same thing would happen twice to the same player given how rarely it happens at all.

Benefit of the doubt, maybe once, benefit of the doubt a second time? Very much not, additionally it casts suspicion on the first offence to an even greater extent.

Wasn’t he found guilty of the first offence and suspended for 5 games ?
What doubt is involved with that ?
Of course being found guilty once should not mean he is automatically guilty of another offence, put itdoes kind of make you wonder....

[leon]

Stop piping up Leon, you've said nothing to add to the debate so just say nothing. You can't counter anything I've said.

You’ve become a parody poster, OMA.

Serial disagreer and all round misery.

No I'm just not labelling someone guilty of assault. Sorry you don't like that.

The funny thing is if you’d actually read my post on this ahout 4 pages back you’d see I pretty much agree with what you’re saying.

But no. You had to disagree.

[Old Man Andrews]

I'll be interested to see if there are any consequences for the officials if Mings is found guilty by the FA. Questions would surely have to be asked of the referee and assistant on that side of the pitch?