Injury watch 2022/23

[Hound]

Tbf sports science and injury prevention along with getting players to perform at absolute top level isn’t simple stuff

Sir Steve and his management teams didn’t have any problem. The club currently can’t even get part of the way there it seems and while you can say it’s just bad luck there comes a point when the sheer volume over long periods of time start to suggest otherwise.

24 hours into the new season and SEVEN already injured.

I’m not saying it’s bad luck. It’s difficult to get right and we’re getting it wrong and have for years

[YorkshireRoyal99]

What are we saying though - That there's some tangible, fundamental issue at the club that is causing our players to get injured, or stay injured longer? And that the club could do something to fix it but haven't.

Think about that for a second. It means that either the club are unaware of the issue (ie, they are blind) or they don't want to fix it (negligent) or don't know how to fix it (idiots). Is any of that likely? I mean, sure, they've made plenty of mistakes over the years, but would they really allow this situation to continue if there was something they could do about it? Are there not people outside the owners who would have identified the issue years ago?

Just consider what you're saying and whether it passes the basic rules of logic . . . .

Agree with that, it's tough to have an "incompetent" physio or sports scientist considering the difficulties of reaching that level anyway.

It's nothing new that Joao is injury prone and perhaps Azeez and Tetek are two, or maybe it is just the club's way of doing things but people keep referencing how it's been this way for 4/5 seasons now and we've had that many different managers in that time with drastically different playing styles and likely methods as well. Perhaps one failure on the recruitment side is we have recruited players with persistent injury problems, such as Joao, and he's not the only one either.

[SouthDownsRoyal]

Any apology from the people who poo pooed me saying the preseason injuries were showing the problem hadn't gone away?

What are we operating at now? About one injury a week since the start of pre-season, on average?

Anyone want to claim that’s normal?

It is not normal

But isn’t it a symptom of our recruitment restrictions, I.e. can only sign freebies? Which is a symptom of the poor financial management of Mr Dai

Are all freebies injured

[Stranded]

It is not normal

But isn’t it a symptom of our recruitment restrictions, I.e. can only sign freebies? Which is a symptom of the poor financial management of Mr Dai

Are all freebies injured

No but with our restrictions it us likely that we have had to take an educated risk on certain players, who we may not have signed if restrictions weren't in place.

[Coppells Lost Coat]

Is there a timeline for each players return?

[windermereROYAL]

Is there a timeline for each players return?

No, all that Ince said was that Hutch Joao and Dann were 2 or 3 weeks away but 3 or 4 weeks before match ready, read into that what you will but 6 weeks would not surprise me.

[Millsy]

Another season

Another set of ridiculous injuries

Another set of ridiculous excuses

Change manager, players, coaching staff all we want. If we don't have a properly resourced medical/sport science side it all goes to pot.

[Nameless]

Another season

Another set of ridiculous injuries

Another set of ridiculous excuses

Change manager, players, coaching staff all we want. If we don't have a properly resourced medical/sport science side it all goes to pot.

I asked this last season and no one could answer it:
For each injury, how was it caused, what could have been done to prevent it, how did recovery compare to similar injuries at other clubs ?

I don’t actually think we have the answers but it would help understand the situation if we did . Joao’s latest for example looked an utter fluke, just landed really awkwardly. Dann seems unable to get to match fitness, so is there just an underlying issue that will not be overcome. Azeez seems incredibly fragile, does he need something ‘fixing’ rather than just being patched up ?
Would love to get a really solid analysis of our injuries.
There’s a fans forum coming up, might just ask the men in charge directly…..

[Hound]

Tbh it’s difficult to say whether it’s even an issue as such at the moment

Hutch could be anything - could be a impact knock on training. Azeez is a new injury, not the same as last season. It could just be unlucky

Joao was a bit of a nasty knock/fall - couple of weeks out would be standard. Long was just him getting a bit whack in the wham game

It’s just if these continue to build up, and esp if recovery times are longer than suggested

Nothing in the recent history to make us think that this won’t just keep rolling on though

[Coppells Lost Coat]

Its when a generic muscle strain turns into a 6 week lay off. Its a bit unacceptable that with all the scans and professional people available that after a few days the injury develops into something much worse than originally stated. Hutch was a stiff muscle then 48 hours later its turned into a grade 1 tear.
All these training injuries is either down to Ince pushing them too hard to early in the training sessions or who ever is in charge of warm ups, is on work experience.

[SCIAG]

Hutchinson has already had to retire due to injury once, thankfully he made a recovery and built a respectable career but he’s only made it to 30 league games in a season once.

Last time Long made it to that total was five years ago, yes that might partially be because of his form but he’s at an age where you’d expect him to struggle.

In our situation we can either gamble on players who are good enough but have some flaw that makes other teams nervous (this will nearly always be injury but could also be attitude or legal trouble or anything really), or we gamble on players like Laurent and NGW who may or may not turn out to be good enough. Would you rather have players who are fit all the time but aren’t good enough, or who are only fit 2/3rds of the time but are good enough?

[Millsy]

Another season

Another set of ridiculous injuries

Another set of ridiculous excuses

Change manager, players, coaching staff all we want. If we don't have a properly resourced medical/sport science side it all goes to pot.

I asked this last season and no one could answer it:
For each injury, how was it caused, what could have been done to prevent it, how did recovery compare to similar injuries at other clubs ?

I don’t actually think we have the answers but it would help understand the situation if we did . Joao’s latest for example looked an utter fluke, just landed really awkwardly. Dann seems unable to get to match fitness, so is there just an underlying issue that will not be overcome. Azeez seems incredibly fragile, does he need something ‘fixing’ rather than just being patched up ?
Would love to get a really solid analysis of our injuries.
There’s a fans forum coming up, might just ask the men in charge directly…..

I agree it would be nice to have some answers but no one is going to go through them all one by one and give you an in-depth analysis, and neither would they be able to even if they had all the info. The broad stats speak for themselves that there is a problem.

We can ask but will get the same crap answer from the club.

There are sooo many factors to this. Obviously two broad aspects to this: prevention and cure. Cure needs a decent number of physios, decent physios, decent medical consultancy, decent protocols for when to escalate treatment/send to specialists, support for manager not to put players back in quickly etc. Prevention: decent nutrition, sports science, training protocols (warm-up/cool-down regimes, stretches etc etc), decent medicals before we get players in... decent player rotation etc etc etc.

There is no way in the world one can pinpoint what has happened with every single player and demonstrate they are all freak injuries. Even obvious freaks like a bad tackle in a game or falling down stairs are often a symptom of multifactorial underlying issues.

If I were running a club with this crisis this would be up there in bold red on my risk register and I'd get it sorted immediately. Get in consultants to sort out the issue. Get extra physios, different/additional specialists/fitness coaches/sports scientists etc. I wouldn't just leave it, which is what seems to have happened so far.

[RG30]

Tim Dellor and Glen Little mentioned it on BBC Berks but what kind of intensive training session were they doing on Friday for Azeez to get injured so badly?

[windermereROYAL]

Tim Dellor and Glen Little mentioned it on BBC Berks but what kind of intensive training session were they doing on Friday for Azeez to get injured so badly?

With his record very probably running.

[Snowflake Royal]

Another season

Another set of ridiculous injuries

Another set of ridiculous excuses

Change manager, players, coaching staff all we want. If we don't have a properly resourced medical/sport science side it all goes to pot.

I asked this last season and no one could answer it:
For each injury, how was it caused, what could have been done to prevent it, how did recovery compare to similar injuries at other clubs ?

I don’t actually think we have the answers but it would help understand the situation if we did . Joao’s latest for example looked an utter fluke, just landed really awkwardly. Dann seems unable to get to match fitness, so is there just an underlying issue that will not be overcome. Azeez seems incredibly fragile, does he need something ‘fixing’ rather than just being patched up ?
Would love to get a really solid analysis of our injuries.
There’s a fans forum coming up, might just ask the men in charge directly…..

You expected us to have detailed information on the medical details and handling of every injury before we can make a criticism. Be serious, of course no one could answer those ridiculous questions.

[Sutekh]

Eight now crocked following the injury to Nelson Abbey.

Still, might have Hutch and Joao back in time for the international break in September so things are looking up.

[Elm Park Kid]

Another season

Another set of ridiculous injuries

Another set of ridiculous excuses

Change manager, players, coaching staff all we want. If we don't have a properly resourced medical/sport science side it all goes to pot.

I asked this last season and no one could answer it:
For each injury, how was it caused, what could have been done to prevent it, how did recovery compare to similar injuries at other clubs ?

I don’t actually think we have the answers but it would help understand the situation if we did . Joao’s latest for example looked an utter fluke, just landed really awkwardly. Dann seems unable to get to match fitness, so is there just an underlying issue that will not be overcome. Azeez seems incredibly fragile, does he need something ‘fixing’ rather than just being patched up ?
Would love to get a really solid analysis of our injuries.
There’s a fans forum coming up, might just ask the men in charge directly…..

I agree it would be nice to have some answers but no one is going to go through them all one by one and give you an in-depth analysis, and neither would they be able to even if they had all the info. The broad stats speak for themselves that there is a problem.

We can ask but will get the same crap answer from the club.

There are sooo many factors to this. Obviously two broad aspects to this: prevention and cure. Cure needs a decent number of physios, decent physios, decent medical consultancy, decent protocols for when to escalate treatment/send to specialists, support for manager not to put players back in quickly etc. Prevention: decent nutrition, sports science, training protocols (warm-up/cool-down regimes, stretches etc etc), decent medicals before we get players in... decent player rotation etc etc etc.

There is no way in the world one can pinpoint what has happened with every single player and demonstrate they are all freak injuries. Even obvious freaks like a bad tackle in a game or falling down stairs are often a symptom of multifactorial underlying issues.

If I were running a club with this crisis this would be up there in bold red on my risk register and I'd get it sorted immediately. Get in consultants to sort out the issue. Get extra physios, different/additional specialists/fitness coaches/sports scientists etc. I wouldn't just leave it, which is what seems to have happened so far.

I'm 100% certain that the club is already doing all that and more.

As others have said - this is purely a factor of us signing players who are prone to injury.

[Millsy]

I asked this last season and no one could answer it:
For each injury, how was it caused, what could have been done to prevent it, how did recovery compare to similar injuries at other clubs ?

I don’t actually think we have the answers but it would help understand the situation if we did . Joao’s latest for example looked an utter fluke, just landed really awkwardly. Dann seems unable to get to match fitness, so is there just an underlying issue that will not be overcome. Azeez seems incredibly fragile, does he need something ‘fixing’ rather than just being patched up ?
Would love to get a really solid analysis of our injuries.
There’s a fans forum coming up, might just ask the men in charge directly…..

I agree it would be nice to have some answers but no one is going to go through them all one by one and give you an in-depth analysis, and neither would they be able to even if they had all the info. The broad stats speak for themselves that there is a problem.

We can ask but will get the same crap answer from the club.

There are sooo many factors to this. Obviously two broad aspects to this: prevention and cure. Cure needs a decent number of physios, decent physios, decent medical consultancy, decent protocols for when to escalate treatment/send to specialists, support for manager not to put players back in quickly etc. Prevention: decent nutrition, sports science, training protocols (warm-up/cool-down regimes, stretches etc etc), decent medicals before we get players in... decent player rotation etc etc etc.

There is no way in the world one can pinpoint what has happened with every single player and demonstrate they are all freak injuries. Even obvious freaks like a bad tackle in a game or falling down stairs are often a symptom of multifactorial underlying issues.

If I were running a club with this crisis this would be up there in bold red on my risk register and I'd get it sorted immediately. Get in consultants to sort out the issue. Get extra physios, different/additional specialists/fitness coaches/sports scientists etc. I wouldn't just leave it, which is what seems to have happened so far.

I'm 100% certain that the club is already doing all that and more.

As others have said - this is purely a factor of us signing players who are prone to injury.

Then it's shocking they've still not been able to sort it.

[Elm Park Kid]

I agree it would be nice to have some answers but no one is going to go through them all one by one and give you an in-depth analysis, and neither would they be able to even if they had all the info. The broad stats speak for themselves that there is a problem.

We can ask but will get the same crap answer from the club.

There are sooo many factors to this. Obviously two broad aspects to this: prevention and cure. Cure needs a decent number of physios, decent physios, decent medical consultancy, decent protocols for when to escalate treatment/send to specialists, support for manager not to put players back in quickly etc. Prevention: decent nutrition, sports science, training protocols (warm-up/cool-down regimes, stretches etc etc), decent medicals before we get players in... decent player rotation etc etc etc.

There is no way in the world one can pinpoint what has happened with every single player and demonstrate they are all freak injuries. Even obvious freaks like a bad tackle in a game or falling down stairs are often a symptom of multifactorial underlying issues.

If I were running a club with this crisis this would be up there in bold red on my risk register and I'd get it sorted immediately. Get in consultants to sort out the issue. Get extra physios, different/additional specialists/fitness coaches/sports scientists etc. I wouldn't just leave it, which is what seems to have happened so far.

I'm 100% certain that the club is already doing all that and more.

As others have said - this is purely a factor of us signing players who are prone to injury.

Then it's shocking they've still not been able to sort it.

Tbf - It's just another one of these things that armchair pundits think is easy to fix but is actually extremely complicated.

[Millsy]

I'm 100% certain that the club is already doing all that and more.

As others have said - this is purely a factor of us signing players who are prone to injury.

Then it's shocking they've still not been able to sort it.

Tbf - It's just another one of these things that armchair pundits think is easy to fix but is actually extremely complicated.

Like saying it's "purely a factor of us signing players who are prone to injury"?