MATCHWATCH : Huddersfield Town (a)

[biff]

Joao had the heart of a mouse. Fucck off

[Royal Rother]

It took him failing to turn up for the last game of his time at the club for people to catch on.

Oh well.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Reading players going over to the Reading fans and getting the middle finger and oxf*rd signs.

I get that for some of the major disappointments, but that's unnecessary for the likes of CBC, Holmes, McIntyre, Senga, Azeez, Camara, Mbengue, Abrefa et al.

A lot of those have been significant parts of the reason we finished where we did. Whilst I don't like to see it, they won't just not get the same treatment because they are/were an academy/young player (or both). Obviously unfair on the likes of CBC, Camara, Senga and Abrefa who have featured very little, but not the rest.

[Snowflake Royal]

Reading players going over to the Reading fans and getting the middle finger and oxf*rd signs.

I get that for some of the major disappointments, but that's unnecessary for the likes of CBC, Holmes, McIntyre, Senga, Azeez, Camara, Mbengue, Abrefa et al.

A lot of those have been significant parts of the reason we finished where we did. Whilst I don't like to see it, they won't just not get the same treatment because they are/were an academy/young player (or both). Obviously unfair on the likes of CBC, Camara, Senga and Abrefa who have featured very little, but not the rest.

Holmes, McIntyre and Mbengue are the only ones in that bunch to start more than 5 games. Mbengue has no experience and has actually done alright. Holmes was easily our best defender early season and has done okish since, and McIntyre has been played here there and everywhere and done ok. And the former two cannot be faulted for effort or commitment even if you don't think they're good enough.

The team that ended the match was mostly Academy graduates.

[Sutekh]

Noel Hunt revealed post match he’s not at all happy with Joao who apparently called him on Thursday to say he didn’t want to be involved today. Thank god Lucas won’t be here next season.

Loum, Fornah and Rahman also decided they didn’t want to play despite being fit.

All loans and I wouldn’t want any of them back anyway, though I believe Rahman was actually classed out injured for the season. Overall, if true, it’s extremely unprofessional and hope their parent clubs take some disciplinary action against them as it won’t help those player’s reputations.

[Getthebeerens]

Noel Hunt revealed post match he’s not at all happy with Joao who apparently called him on Thursday to say he didn’t want to be involved today. Thank god Lucas won’t be here next season.

Loum, Fornah and Rahman also decided they didn’t want to play despite being fit.

All loans and I wouldn’t want any of them back anyway, though I believe Rahman was actually classed out injured for the season. Overall, if true, it’s extremely unprofessional and hope their parent clubs take some disciplinary action against them as it won’t help those player’s reputations.

It just shows the kind of characters we have had to recruit. All about themselves rather than the team. Really hope we avoid so many loans next season.

[Loafer]

Utterly dreadful and no positives for anyone today.

That is Noel Hunt toast for the job full time which is hopefully a good thing.

Massive clear out incoming. There is a spine of a team we can build from but an exciting summer build incoming.

Bowen needs to back his statement and help build a team, starting with the right appointment of manager and back room staff.

Some good games to look forward to next year and excited about the bit of unknown but still hurts to see Huddersfield celebrating and other teams above us.

URZ.

I'm just happy this miserable season is over now tbh. These players have nearly given me a mental breakdown on numerous occasions.

yes of course DD

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Loum, Fornah and Rahman also decided they didn’t want to play despite being fit.

All loans and I wouldn’t want any of them back anyway, though I believe Rahman was actually classed out injured for the season. Overall, if true, it’s extremely unprofessional and hope their parent clubs take some disciplinary action against them as it won’t help those player’s reputations.

It just shows the kind of characters we have had to recruit. All about themselves rather than the team. Really hope we avoid so many loans next season.

And all we were saying at the start of the campaign was that this team was a bunch of fighters and we will have had the spirit that we haven't had for a few years previous (myself included in that as well at times). Shows what we know. Then again, can we blame loanees for not wanting to play in a dead rubber?

[NathStPaul]

Yes we can. HTH.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

I get that for some of the major disappointments, but that's unnecessary for the likes of CBC, Holmes, McIntyre, Senga, Azeez, Camara, Mbengue, Abrefa et al.

A lot of those have been significant parts of the reason we finished where we did. Whilst I don't like to see it, they won't just not get the same treatment because they are/were an academy/young player (or both). Obviously unfair on the likes of CBC, Camara, Senga and Abrefa who have featured very little, but not the rest.

Holmes, McIntyre and Mbengue are the only ones in that bunch to start more than 5 games. Mbengue has no experience and has actually done alright. Holmes was easily our best defender early season and has done okish since, and McIntyre has been played here there and everywhere and done ok. And the former two cannot be faulted for effort or commitment even if you don't think they're good enough.

The team that ended the match was mostly Academy graduates.

Exactly, so Holmes, McIntyre and Mbengue have played significant parts in why we finished where we did, rightfully criticised. Azeez to a lesser extent but still can come in for criticism as he was very poor yesterday and obviously the others it will apply to less because they haven't featured too much.

It's not necessarily about whether I think they're good enough or not (I think all 3 can play at Championship standard), but they've been part of a very poor side for much of this season so do deserve criticism. Individually, they aren't our worst performers, but collectively they can come in for criticism, or at least I understand it anyway.

[Snowflake Royal]

A lot of those have been significant parts of the reason we finished where we did. Whilst I don't like to see it, they won't just not get the same treatment because they are/were an academy/young player (or both). Obviously unfair on the likes of CBC, Camara, Senga and Abrefa who have featured very little, but not the rest.

Holmes, McIntyre and Mbengue are the only ones in that bunch to start more than 5 games. Mbengue has no experience and has actually done alright. Holmes was easily our best defender early season and has done okish since, and McIntyre has been played here there and everywhere and done ok. And the former two cannot be faulted for effort or commitment even if you don't think they're good enough.

The team that ended the match was mostly Academy graduates.

Exactly, so Holmes, McIntyre and Mbengue have played significant parts in why we finished where we did, rightfully criticised. Azeez to a lesser extent but still can come in for criticism as he was very poor yesterday and obviously the others it will apply to less because they haven't featured too much.

It's not necessarily about whether I think they're good enough or not (I think all 3 can play at Championship standard), but they've been part of a very poor side for much of this season so do deserve criticism. Individually, they aren't our worst performers, but collectively they can come in for criticism, or at least I understand it anyway.

[SCIAG]

Reading players going over to the Reading fans and getting the middle finger and oxf*rd signs.

I get that for some of the major disappointments, but that's unnecessary for the likes of CBC, Holmes, McIntyre, Senga, Azeez, Camara, Mbengue, Abrefa et al.

A lot of those have been significant parts of the reason we finished where we did. Whilst I don't like to see it, they won't just not get the same treatment because they are/were an academy/young player (or both). Obviously unfair on the likes of CBC, Camara, Senga and Abrefa who have featured very little, but not the rest.

There is a difference between giving someone "criticism" and giving them the finger.

As long as players have given fans respect then they should get it back. Booing, jeering, swearing, that should either be heat of the moment or reserved for disrespectful Mills-like behaviour. Swearing at someone who has come over to acknowledge you is just a dick move.

[Loafer]

I get that for some of the major disappointments, but that's unnecessary for the likes of CBC, Holmes, McIntyre, Senga, Azeez, Camara, Mbengue, Abrefa et al.

A lot of those have been significant parts of the reason we finished where we did. Whilst I don't like to see it, they won't just not get the same treatment because they are/were an academy/young player (or both). Obviously unfair on the likes of CBC, Camara, Senga and Abrefa who have featured very little, but not the rest.

There is a difference between giving someone "criticism" and giving them the finger.

As long as players have given fans respect then they should get it back. Booing, jeering, swearing, that should either be heat of the moment or reserved for disrespectful Mills-like behaviour. Swearing at someone who has come over to acknowledge you is just a dick move.

Tbh they deserve worse then that , getting the finger is kind for the crap that they've given this year

[genome]

Loum, Fornah and Rahman also decided they didn’t want to play despite being fit.

All loans and I wouldn’t want any of them back anyway, though I believe Rahman was actually classed out injured for the season. Overall, if true, it’s extremely unprofessional and hope their parent clubs take some disciplinary action against them as it won’t help those player’s reputations.

Well, what a surprise, and Ejaria?

[URZZZZ]

Noel Hunt revealed post match he’s not at all happy with Joao who apparently called him on Thursday to say he didn’t want to be involved today. Thank god Lucas won’t be here next season.

So about the same contribution as last weekend then? Must win game against Wigan and he was dreadful. Didn’t look remotely interested

Another poor signing, 3 months here and there doesn’t cut it. Glad we’re shot of him

He’s a weird one. Goals almost got us to the play offs and kept us up last year. Could be unplayable or terrible. Don’t think he could be classed as a poor signing with his record and actually thought he was ok last week in generally poor and negative performance by the team mind you

I think he can be classed as a pretty poor signing overall. One of our major downfalls in recent seasons has been a lack of consistency within the “key” players. The odd good run here and there doesn’t cut it. It’s not good enough.

Let’s see:
- Poor under Gomes
- Injured under Bowen (aside from that “4” game Christmas period)
- Very good for the first 5 months under Paunovic
- Yet ultimately a big reason as to why we didn’t make the playoffs, offered very little post January
- Injured most of last season
- Offered nothing this season

Sure, comparatively to our other “big name” signings, he’s stood out but has he represented value for money? No chance. Maybe on reflection, poor signing is harsh but I’m not particularly enamoured for a 5/6 million signing that was pretty much invisible for 75% of the time he was here (through injury or poor form)

[Sutekh]

So about the same contribution as last weekend then? Must win game against Wigan and he was dreadful. Didn’t look remotely interested

Another poor signing, 3 months here and there doesn’t cut it. Glad we’re shot of him

He’s a weird one. Goals almost got us to the play offs and kept us up last year. Could be unplayable or terrible. Don’t think he could be classed as a poor signing with his record and actually thought he was ok last week in generally poor and negative performance by the team mind you

I think he can be classed as a pretty poor signing overall. One of our major downfalls in recent seasons has been a lack of consistency within the “key” players. The odd good run here and there doesn’t cut it. It’s not good enough.

Let’s see:
- Poor under Gomes
- Injured under Bowen (aside from that “4” game Christmas period)
- Very good for the first 5 months under Paunovic
- Yet ultimately a big reason as to why we didn’t make the playoffs, offered very little post January
- Injured most of last season
- Offered nothing this season

Sure, comparatively to our other “big name” signings, he’s stood out but has he represented value for money? No chance. Maybe on reflection, poor signing is harsh but I’m not particularly enamoured for a 5/6 million signing that was pretty much invisible for 75% of the time he was here (through injury or poor form)

Might have done something useful this season had negative Nigel actually sat down and developed an attacking strategy but would agree was largely a complete waste of money. Think he'll return to the continent where his "style" might be a better fit.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Is Joao not our all time top gooalscorer in the Championship? I'm sure I saw that posted about somewhere yesterday. Not that it's a particularly fantastic achievement or anything, but it's still pretty good nonetheless.

I wouldn't say he's largely responsible why we didn't achieve what we could have done, although for £5m, he hasn't been worth that for us. £5m is a reasonable price to pay for a player of his quality, it was the fact that £5m on one player was a lot for us, as a club, to offer and we needed more for that sort of money. Hit fitness record also leaves a lot to be desired. But at his best, £5m is more than worthwhile for him.

[Snowflake Royal]

So about the same contribution as last weekend then? Must win game against Wigan and he was dreadful. Didn’t look remotely interested

Another poor signing, 3 months here and there doesn’t cut it. Glad we’re shot of him

He’s a weird one. Goals almost got us to the play offs and kept us up last year. Could be unplayable or terrible. Don’t think he could be classed as a poor signing with his record and actually thought he was ok last week in generally poor and negative performance by the team mind you

I think he can be classed as a pretty poor signing overall. One of our major downfalls in recent seasons has been a lack of consistency within the “key” players. The odd good run here and there doesn’t cut it. It’s not good enough.

Let’s see:
- Poor under Gomes
- Injured under Bowen (aside from that “4” game Christmas period)
- Very good for the first 5 months under Paunovic
- Yet ultimately a big reason as to why we didn’t make the playoffs, offered very little post January
- Injured most of last season
- Offered nothing this season

Sure, comparatively to our other “big name” signings, he’s stood out but has he represented value for money? No chance. Maybe on reflection, poor signing is harsh but I’m not particularly enamoured for a 5/6 million signing that was pretty much invisible for 75% of the time he was here (through injury or poor form)

This just isn't true.

His scoring record with us until this season was exceptional. And it isnt even that bad this season. Injury hit sure. But his injury is basically the reason we finished Bowen's season badly. His post penalty loss of form and injury under Paunovic is basically why we didn't make the POs.

Definitely a good signing, though ultimately not hit the heights he could have done and a little overpriced.

[Snowflake Royal]

Is Joao not our all time top gooalscorer in the Championship? I'm sure I saw that posted about somewhere yesterday. Not that it's a particularly fantastic achievement or anything, but it's still pretty good nonetheless.

I wouldn't say he's largely responsible why we didn't achieve what we could have done, although for £5m, he hasn't been worth that for us. £5m is a reasonable price to pay for a player of his quality, it was the fact that £5m on one player was a lot for us, as a club, to offer and we needed more for that sort of money. Hit fitness record also leaves a lot to be desired. But at his best, £5m is more than worthwhile for him.

Not a oxf*rd chance whilst Dave Kitson exists.


Bugger me, by my count from soccerbase they both got 42 Championship goals for us.

With Doyle a little behind.

[Hendo]

Is Joao not our all time top gooalscorer in the Championship? I'm sure I saw that posted about somewhere yesterday. Not that it's a particularly fantastic achievement or anything, but it's still pretty good nonetheless.

I wouldn't say he's largely responsible why we didn't achieve what we could have done, although for £5m, he hasn't been worth that for us. £5m is a reasonable price to pay for a player of his quality, it was the fact that £5m on one player was a lot for us, as a club, to offer and we needed more for that sort of money. Hit fitness record also leaves a lot to be desired. But at his best, £5m is more than worthwhile for him.

Not a oxf*rd chance whilst Dave Kitson exists.

YR99 is right: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/reading-fc/toptorschuetzen/verein/1032/plus/0/galerie/0?wettbewerb_id=GB2&position=alle&detailposition=alle

1. Lucas Joao - 42
1. Yakou Meite - 42
3. Shane Long - 40
4. Dave Kitson - 39
5. Kevin Doyle - 35

Kitson has the best goals per match record (for those who have scored +10 goals):

1. Dave Kitson - 0.48
2. Gylfi Sigurdsson - 0.43
3. Kevin Doyle - 0.42
4. Adam Le Fondre - 0.39
5. Lucas Joao - 0.36