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Re: Bottom 3

by jollyjiminy » 21 Jan 2010 17:25

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jollyjiminy Howard - Premier League experience


Would you care to elaborate on who he played for in the Premier league please


Unless my memory has failed spectacularly, he was there with Sheff United

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Re: Bottom 3

by SLAMMED » 21 Jan 2010 17:25

Barry the bird boggler After the stuffing we'll get at Sheffield United next week (where no doubt Harps will score the winner) our season will really begin at home to Barnsley on 30th January.


So we will get a stuffing, but only lose by one goal? :?

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Re: Bottom 3

by Focher » 21 Jan 2010 17:26

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jollyjiminy Howard - Premier League experience


Would you care to elaborate on who he played for in the Premier league please


Unless my memory has failed spectacularly, he was there with Sheff United


I believe your memory has failed you spectacularly

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Re: Bottom 3

by Thaumagurist* » 21 Jan 2010 17:32

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Focher Would you care to elaborate on who he played for in the Premier league please


Unless my memory has failed spectacularly, he was there with Sheff United


I believe your memory has failed you spectacularly

Indeed, soccerbase says he played for Barnsley when Sheffield United last was in the Premiership.

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Re: Bottom 3

by jollyjiminy » 21 Jan 2010 17:33

Would you care to elaborate on who he played for in the Premier league please[/quote]

Unless my memory has failed spectacularly, he was there with Sheff United[/quote]

I believe your memory has failed you spectacularly[/quote]

Yep. Memory shott to shitt.

However... he's not done badly: in the Championship team of the year a couple of seasons ago, England U20, called up for Scotland but deemed ineligible to play. Not a bad profile at all.


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Re: Bottom 3

by Focher » 21 Jan 2010 17:34

Thaumagurist* Indeed, soccerbase says he played for Barnsley when Sheffield United last was in the Premiership.


so, in easy English, he played for Sheff Utd when they were in the championship.

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by Focher » 21 Jan 2010 17:36

jollyjiminy However... he's not done badly: in the Championship team of the year a couple of seasons ago, England U20, called up for Scotland but deemed ineligible to play. Not a bad profile at all.


granted, although i think its safe to say that he has not showed that form since signing for Reading, i like him, he looks technically good, but his decision making has been nothing short of woeful. I put it down to a lack of confidence not lack of ability.

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Re: Bottom 3

by jollyjiminy » 21 Jan 2010 17:37

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Thaumagurist* Indeed, soccerbase says he played for Barnsley when Sheffield United last was in the Premiership.


so, in easy English, he played for Sheff Utd when they were in the championship.


Yeah yeah OK OK - the point is this: Howard is not relegation standard. He should be at least play-off standard, no????

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Re: Bottom 3

by jollyjiminy » 21 Jan 2010 17:40

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jollyjiminy However... he's not done badly: in the Championship team of the year a couple of seasons ago, England U20, called up for Scotland but deemed ineligible to play. Not a bad profile at all.


granted, although i think its safe to say that he has not showed that form since signing for Reading, i like him, he looks technically good, but his decision making has been nothing short of woeful. I put it down to a lack of confidence not lack of ability.


I think this is it, and I can't help having this positive feeling that McD may not need to raise the players technically that much, he needs to raise the confidence and there's probably no-one better to do that than him?


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by Focher » 21 Jan 2010 17:47

i hope so, because however good a manager McDermott might be, if he can't raise the players confidence in the next 5-7 games, we are going down. If that happens, the finger must be pointed in my view at Rodgers and McDermott, our squad is comfortably good enough on paper to be challenging for promotion, and its their responsibility to get the best out the players. I don't buy the blame Madejski argument, yes we have lost our prized assets, but we have spent in excess of £3m on new players, we still have a 'good' squad, or should i say adequate squad.

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by Harpers So Solid Crew » 21 Jan 2010 17:50

Hvae to agree with that view focher, we ahve the players even now, but are lacking in the team ethic at worst.

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by Dirk Gently » 21 Jan 2010 17:57

Yep - our wage bill is 10th highest in the CCC, so statistically there's a 92% chance we'll end up 10th in the CCC.

As we're clearly not there, either the players are being paid more than they're worth, or something else is happening to stop them reach that potential.

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by Only one Trevor Morley » 21 Jan 2010 18:00

If we could win two games on the bounce (not managed this season) or win a game by more than one clear goal (only managed at Barnsley) then I reckon that will kickstart a recovery....

For all the 'we've been unlucky' we should be taking a few teams apart with the squad we have - even Plymouth have managed that at least once this season - remind me who that was against again!)


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Re: Bottom 3

by Terminal Boardom » 21 Jan 2010 19:06

If beating Liverpool at Anfield fails to inspire the players and give them confidence then they may as well oxf*rd off right now. How many more excuses need to be made?

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Re: Bottom 3

by Focher » 21 Jan 2010 20:26

Only one Trevor Morley If we could win two games on the bounce (not managed this season) or win a game by more than one clear goal (only managed at Barnsley) then I reckon that will kickstart a recovery....

For all the 'we've been unlucky' we should be taking a few teams apart with the squad we have - even Plymouth have managed that at least once this season - remind me who that was against again!)


Coventry away? Sheff Wed away?

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Re: Bottom 3

by Jeffers217 » 21 Jan 2010 20:59

focher i'm gobsmacked you believe this squad is good enough to challenge for promotion! Who out of our striker's is any decent? Thor was the only one who looked good enough at the wkend. Elsewhere our senior pros are woeful. It's only Gylfi, Jem. Mills and MacEnough who I think are genuinely good players

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Re: Bottom 3

by John Madejski's Wallet » 21 Jan 2010 21:08

Jeffers217 focher i'm gobsmacked you believe this squad is good enough to challenge for promotion! Who out of our striker's is any decent? Thor was the only one who looked good enough at the wkend. Elsewhere our senior pros are woeful. It's only Gylfi, Jem. Mills and MacEnough who I think are genuinely good players


I'm sick of people blaming a weak squad.

Our squad should easily be up near the promotion places. The fact we haven't is piss poor management

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by Terminal Boardom » 21 Jan 2010 21:14

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Jeffers217 focher i'm gobsmacked you believe this squad is good enough to challenge for promotion! Who out of our striker's is any decent? Thor was the only one who looked good enough at the wkend. Elsewhere our senior pros are woeful. It's only Gylfi, Jem. Mills and MacEnough who I think are genuinely good players


I'm sick of people blaming a weak squad.

Our squad should easily be up near the promotion places. The fact we haven't is piss poor management


And I bet you believe in the tooth fairy and the easter bunny

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Re: Bottom 3

by Focher » 21 Jan 2010 21:16

Jeffers217 focher i'm gobsmacked you believe this squad is good enough to challenge for promotion! Who out of our striker's is any decent? Thor was the only one who looked good enough at the wkend. Elsewhere our senior pros are woeful. It's only Gylfi, Jem. Mills and MacEnough who I think are genuinely good players



Rasiak, Church, Long, Hunt (ok not playing) Thorvaldssson are all full internationals. They are for a reason.

ON PAPER this team should be there or there abouts, i don't understand how this can be at all questioned

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Re: Bottom 3

by Sir Rodger Doyle » 21 Jan 2010 21:23

Focher i hope so, because however good a manager McDermott might be, if he can't raise the players confidence in the next 5-7 games, we are going down. If that happens, the finger must be pointed in my view at Rodgers and McDermott, our squad is comfortably good enough on paper to be challenging for promotion, and its their responsibility to get the best out the players. I don't buy the blame Madejski argument, yes we have lost our prized assets, but we have spent in excess of £3m on new players, we still have a 'good' squad, or should i say adequate squad.


:shock:

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