Rival Watch

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Re: Rival Watch

by Sutekh » 10 Jun 2023 21:23

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tmesis I can't see how that would work exactly.

We just need regulation in place to stop clubs getting into a mess, rather than trying to punish them when it's too late.


We need proper control on the PL and the ridiculous amount of money that gets given to clubs when they are failures. Having compulsory wage reduction on relegation clauses in every single player contract would also be a start. Perhaps each division should also look at salary caps for players (or across a squad of, say, 25 nominated first team players). Seems a much clearer way of maintaining ffp rather getting slide rules out to try and fathom who spent what on average over the last 3 years and all the shenanigans and confusion that that brings.


There won't be salary caps for players unless there's some level of worldwide limit, as players would simply move to a league where they're allowed to earn more money.


Personally couldn't care less and might actually help the English game if not so many foreign players were attracted over here

Clyde1998 Spain has the best FFP rules of those that I'm aware of.

@SwissRamble: "Each season La Liga calculates a club’s salary cap as revenue less non-sporting expenses and debt repayments. In contrast to UEFA’s Financial Fair Play rules which look at previous years, La Liga’s regulations are applied in advance, i.e. before any spending takes place."
@SwissRamble: "If a club is over its salary cap, it can only use 25% of any savings made (or transfer gains) on bringing in new players, with the other 75% used to reduce existing liabilities. If the player accounts for more than 5% of squad cost, then amount available to invest rises to 50%."
@SwissRamble: "However, recently La Liga relaxed the salary cap in two important ways as a result of losses caused by the pandemic. First, the 1:4 rule has become 1:3 for the summer 2022 transfer window, i.e. a club can now use 33% of any savings made or transfer profits on player purchases."



Based on the most recent club accounts and my rough estimates (simply looking at revenue minus non-sporting revenue to keep things simple), we would've been allowed to spend around £10.5m under those rules during the 2021-22 season on the squad. IIRC, that was the limit our 'business plan' with the EFL allowed us to spend.


Excellent idea, would be an improvement on what the FL have esp. having them able to be applied in advance.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 11 Jun 2023 12:00

Well the PL has proven that attracting foreign talent does little to improve England's performance.

And English players have rarely travelled in any numbers.

So I'm not really sure what the English leagues lose from all the high paid foreigners oxf*rd off.

Oh no, the big x won't be winning any European trophies. Shucks, the other 80 odd clubs will surely be devastated.

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Re: Rival Watch

by YoungRon » 12 Jun 2023 08:32

Snowflake Royal Well the PL has proven that attracting foreign talent does little to improve England's performance.

And English players have rarely travelled in any numbers.

So I'm not really sure what the English leagues lose from all the high paid foreigners oxf*rd off.

Oh no, the big x won't be winning any European trophies. Shucks, the other 80 odd clubs will surely be devastated.

Competition... What to do if foreign talent is better than English talent?

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Re: Rival Watch

by Winston Biscuit » 12 Jun 2023 15:39

Some Wigan journo reckons the club have been served with a winding up petition notice by HMRC over an unpaid tax bill of more than £1M

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Re: Rival Watch

by Wycombe Royal » 12 Jun 2023 15:54

Winston Biscuit Some Wigan journo reckons the club have been served with a winding up petition notice by HMRC over an unpaid tax bill of more than £1M

That is standard practice from HMRC.


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Re: Rival Watch

by On Strings » 12 Jun 2023 15:57

The additional unapplied points deductions are totting up...

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Re: Rival Watch

by Green » 12 Jun 2023 16:34

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Winston Biscuit Some Wigan journo reckons the club have been served with a winding up petition notice by HMRC over an unpaid tax bill of more than £1M

That is standard practice from HMRC.

Yep textbook HMRC.

Their bark is generally worse than their bite.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Mr Angry » 12 Jun 2023 17:22

Winston Biscuit Some Wigan journo reckons the club have been served with a winding up petition notice by HMRC over an unpaid tax bill of more than £1M


Confrimed by the Beeb:

"His Majesty's Revenue & Customs has lodged a winding-up petition against Wigan Athletic over unpaid tax bills, with a hearing date of 26 July.

It follows the English Football League placing the Latics under a transfer embargo last week for breaching league rules on tax payment.

Wigan will begin the League One season after relegation with an eight-point deduction for late payment of salaries.

It also understood money is outstanding from last month's salary payments.

The club has said it is in the process of being sold but one of the interested parties, 21-year-old businessman Sarbjot Johal, failed to gain EFL approval for his proposed purchase of Morecambe earlier this year.

Winding-up petitions can be resolved by payment of debt or by arrangement of a payment plan with the creditor, in this case HMRC itself."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65881568

As July 26th is a month after the fixtures have been released, this could pose a real headache for the EFL.

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Re: Rival Watch

by South Coast Royal » 12 Jun 2023 17:49

I think it is a shame what has gone on at Wigan.
The club has kind of been in tandem with us for some years with both clubs getting to the Premier League probably against the odds and Wigan even having won an FA Cup final-they even managed to get relegated that season just as we did in the season that we won the Simod Cup.

Fans of both clubs will be forever grateful to the respective owners, the Mad Man and Dave Whelan, for getting the clubs a small taste of the big time.
Since both owners rescinded their stakes in each club it has been a downward financial spiral with dodgy owners not having as deep pockets as imagined and some dreadful running of financial affairs.

We may not be in quite such dire straits (are we?) as Wigan but I have sympathy for their fans and hope that both clubs get on a sound financial footing sooner than later and of course that both stay in business and don't end up doing a Bury.


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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 12 Jun 2023 18:03

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Winston Biscuit Some Wigan journo reckons the club have been served with a winding up petition notice by HMRC over an unpaid tax bill of more than £1M

That is standard practice from HMRC.

Yep textbook HMRC.

Their bark is generally worse than their bite.

That's because the Government took away their teeth and wired their jaws shut.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Lower West » 12 Jun 2023 18:44

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Yep textbook HMRC.

Their bark is generally worse than their bite.

That's because the Government took away their teeth and wired their jaws shut.


Didn't stop Bury getting kicked out of the EFL.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 12 Jun 2023 18:45

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Green Yep textbook HMRC.

Their bark is generally worse than their bite.

That's because the Government took away their teeth and wired their jaws shut.


Didn't stop Bury getting kicked out of the EFL.

By HMRC? You sure about that?

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Re: Rival Watch

by Sutekh » 12 Jun 2023 18:51

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Snowflake Royal That's because the Government took away their teeth and wired their jaws shut.


Didn't stop Bury getting kicked out of the EFL.

By HMRC? You sure about that?


A winding up order brought because of monies owed to the HMRC was thrown out of court as Bury had managed to agree a CVA with creditors. Bury were therefore kicked out of the FL by the FL becuase they hadn't found a buyer for the club in the time they were given.

Presume the same might be about to happen to Wigan leaving a 23 team third division and 1 team missing a league fixture every week (let's hope Reading get midweek fixtures against Wigan just in case).


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Re: Rival Watch

by royalstevep68 » 12 Jun 2023 19:58

South Coast Royal I think it is a shame what has gone on at Wigan.
The club has kind of been in tandem with us for some years with both clubs getting to the Premier League probably against the odds and Wigan even having won an FA Cup final-they even managed to get relegated that season just as we did in the season that we won the Simod Cup.

Fans of both clubs will be forever grateful to the respective owners, the Mad Man and Dave Whelan, for getting the clubs a small taste of the big time.
Since both owners rescinded their stakes in each club it has been a downward financial spiral with dodgy owners not having as deep pockets as imagined and some dreadful running of financial affairs.

We may not be in quite such dire straits (are we?) as Wigan but I have sympathy for their fans and hope that both clubs get on a sound financial footing sooner than later and of course that both stay in business and don't end up doing a Bury.



Agreed it sucks, I wouldn’t wish any club be in their, our, Derby's position

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Re: Rival Watch

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 12 Jun 2023 20:17

Yeah it's a real shame for Wigan really, always thought they were a decent club.

A lot of clubs in the Lancashire area all fighting for the similar positions and struggling to differentiate themselves. It's tough enough getting investment for a lot of the clubs in the lower half of the 92 without having several clubs sat on your doorstep.

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Re: Rival Watch

by tidus_mi2 » 12 Jun 2023 20:56

Any Wigan players worth poaching if they walk after another non payment of wages?

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Re: Rival Watch

by Wycombe Royal » 13 Jun 2023 08:07

tidus_mi2 Any Wigan players worth poaching if they walk after another non payment of wages?

I believe their contracted players can rip up their contract as of this Friday.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Sutekh » 13 Jun 2023 08:26

tidus_mi2 Any Wigan players worth poaching if they walk after another non payment of wages?



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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 13 Jun 2023 08:29

No one stands out from their squad.

Their top scorer is in his 30s. We don't really want another defender used to failure.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Sutekh » 13 Jun 2023 08:35

YorkshireRoyal99 Yeah it's a real shame for Wigan really, always thought they were a decent club.

A lot of clubs in the Lancashire area all fighting for the similar positions and struggling to differentiate themselves. It's tough enough getting investment for a lot of the clubs in the lower half of the 92 without having several clubs sat on your doorstep.


Though relegated, Rochdale are actually a really well run club and about the only league club up that way last season without some sort of financial issue. Their relegation is because they simply don't have the money to compete (now fully fan owned I think) now that the 4th tier is becoming full of "billy big-b*****" clubs like Salford etc. and they're just not willing to spend beyond those means. Really hope they get back to the league quickly.

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