Long - Time to go.

[Hoop Blah]

Accurate stats presented in a way as to mislead through misrepresentation perhaps.

The most refreshing change there is that they're apparently accurate!

[Snowball]

Accurate stats presented in a way as to mislead through misrepresentation perhaps.

The most refreshing change there is that they're apparently accurate!

No, you just don't like the cold reality of truth.

[winchester_royal]

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Today you have a post count of 22 and it's not even 3 o'clock yet.
TBH all that table proves is how misleading stats can be.

No, they are ACCURATE stats. But then you don't understand salience and relevance.

Never questioned their accuracy.

[Snowball]

I liked the way the pundits praised Shane so highly again at international level, this week.

Yet another Man of the Match Award and Shane kept a Premiership striker of the pitch for 45 minutes (the one who replaced Doyle)


(Look Ma No Stats!)

[Hoop Blah]

Did it take you a whole week to press submit on that one Snowball?

Who'd have thought that Irish would do Mick McCarthy a favour by only playing his star forward for 45 minutes of a friendly...

Nobody is doubting that Long has done a decent job for the Irish team so not really sure why you keep bringing it up.

[Snowball]

Because it shows that people with footballing brains rate Shane Long

and this thread is the opposite

[cmonurz]

Because it shows that people with footballing brains rate Shane Long

and this thread is the opposite

Does that suggest that Steve Coppell, who barely gave him a run in the team, is a complete idiot?

[Hoop Blah]

Because it shows that people with footballing brains rate Shane Long

and this thread is the opposite

Does that suggest that Steve Coppell, who barely gave him a run in the team, is a complete idiot?

It probably suggests that there are 10-15 managers in England who don't rate him highly enough to buy him from a club who have shown they're willing to sell anyone who attracts a half decent fee.

[Snowball]

Because it shows that people with footballing brains rate Shane Long

and this thread is the opposite

Does that suggest that Steve Coppell, who barely gave him a run in the team, is a complete idiot?

No, it suggests Steve Coppell was waiting for him to mature and develop and
improve as he now has (relatively) and will continue to do so for 3 more years.

And the fact that there was Kitson, Doyle, Lita, Hunt in front of him, of course, is irrelevant.

[Snowball]

It probably suggests that there are 10-15 managers in England who don't rate him highly enough to
buy him from a club who have shown they're willing to sell anyone who attracts a half decent fee.

When has RFC said it's willing to sell Long or wants him to go?

I guess that must be every time they've extended his contract, yes?

[Snowball]

Did it take you a whole week to press submit on that one Snowball?

Nope. I checked my facts first because I hadn't personally seen or heard that praise or his MotM

Who'd have thought that Irish would do Mick McCarthy a favour by only playing his star forward for 45 minutes of a friendly...

And it had nothing to do with him not playing well, did it? He was anonymous for the whole of the half .

Nobody is doubting that Long has done a decent job for the Irish team so not really sure why you keep bringing it up.

Because it shows he's a good player

[Hoop Blah]

It probably suggests that there are 10-15 managers in England who don't rate him highly enough to
buy him from a club who have shown they're willing to sell anyone who attracts a half decent fee.

When has RFC said it's willing to sell Long or wants him to go?

I guess that must be every time they've extended his contract, yes?

Jeeezzz, if you want to play that game....where have I said they did?

We extended Sigurdsson, Hunt and Doyle's contracts shortly before selling them so what does Long's extension really mean for his long term future?

[Snowball]

It probably suggests that there are 10-15 managers in England who don't rate him highly enough to
buy him from a club who have shown they're willing to sell anyone who attracts a half decent fee.

When has RFC said it's willing to sell Long or wants him to go?
I guess that must be every time they've extended his contract, yes?

Jeeezzz, if you want to play that game....where have I said they did?
We extended Sigurdsson, Hunt and Doyle's contracts shortly before selling them so what does Long's extension really mean for his long term future?

"from a club who have shown they're willing to sell anyone who attracts a half decent fee"

I read that as you suggesting they wanted rid.If you didn't mean that I apologise.

I hadn't realised you put Long in the same bracket as Siggurdson, Doyle and Hunt.

[Hoop Blah]

There's a big difference between wanting to get rid of a player and openly saying it.

Did the club ever say they wanted to get rid of Doyle, Hunt, Kitson, Sigurdsson, Mateovsky, Cisse, Shorey etc etc.

I've no doubt in my mind that if a decent offer came in for Long at any point in the last 18 months the club would've let him go. That doesn't mean they actively wanted him out, or that they came out and said so as that's not how it works.

[Svlad Cjelli]

There's a big difference between wanting to get rid of a player and openly saying it.

Did the club ever say they wanted to get rid of Doyle, Hunt, Kitson, Sigurdsson, Mateovsky, Cisse, Shorey etc etc.

I've no doubt in my mind that if a decent offer came in for Long at any point in the last 18 months the club would've let him go. That doesn't mean they actively wanted him out, or that they came out and said so as that's not how it works.

The club has agreed a fee with every player - any offerss above this amount will be put to the players for consideration, below it they'll be automatically declined. That value is decided by the player and the management together.

So everyone is for sale if the right offer comes in, and it's the same at nearly every club in the world, just not as formalised.

[Millsy]

[Snowball]

There's a big difference between wanting to get rid of a player and openly saying it. Did the club ever say they wanted to get rid of Doyle, Hunt, Kitson, Sigurdsson, Mateovsky, Cisse, Shorey etc etc.
I've no doubt in my mind that if a decent offer came in for Long at any point in the last 18 months the club would've let him go. That doesn't mean they actively wanted him out, or that they came out and said so as that's not how it works.

Or the club's valuation might be very high, higher than other clubs want to pay...

[Svlad Cjelli]

There's a big difference between wanting to get rid of a player and openly saying it. Did the club ever say they wanted to get rid of Doyle, Hunt, Kitson, Sigurdsson, Mateovsky, Cisse, Shorey etc etc.
I've no doubt in my mind that if a decent offer came in for Long at any point in the last 18 months the club would've let him go. That doesn't mean they actively wanted him out, or that they came out and said so as that's not how it works.

Or the club's valuation might be very high, higher than other clubs want to pay...

The club's and the player's valuation, agreed jointly between them.

[Snowball]

There's a big difference between wanting to get rid of a player and openly saying it. Did the club ever say they wanted to get rid of Doyle, Hunt, Kitson, Sigurdsson, Mateovsky, Cisse, Shorey etc etc.
I've no doubt in my mind that if a decent offer came in for Long at any point in the last 18 months the club would've let him go. That doesn't mean they actively wanted him out, or that they came out and said so as that's not how it works.

Or the club's valuation might be very high, higher than other clubs want to pay...

The club's and the player's valuation, agreed jointly between them.

Or the club-with-player's joint evaluation, as agreed, might be very high, higher than other clubs want to pay...

[Millsy]