Back from the game - S****horpe.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

The ball was played backwards by Forte - Not offside.

Show me and the many others who dispute this point where, in the laws of the game, or in particular rule 11 entitled "Offside", it says the ball has to be played forwards...

I can't show you where in the rules it says the ball crossing the goal line means there's a goal, so why would I be able to show you anything else? .

Why not?

LAW 10 – THE METHOD OF SCORING
Goal scored
A goal is scored when the whole of the ball passes over the goal line, between
the goalposts and under the crossbar, provided that no infringement of the
Laws of the Game has been committed previously by the team scoring the
goal.

HTH

[Ian Royal]

Because I'm not willing to spend my time a) searching for the laws of the game on the internet. b) reading them until I find the relevant section to see if it's there or not and c) because it's utterly irrelevent seeing as it wasn't offside for other reasons as well.

[Ian Royal]

Show me and the many others who dispute this point where, in the laws of the game, or in particular rule 11 entitled "Offside", it says the ball has to be played forwards...

I can't show you where in the rules it says the ball crossing the goal line means there's a goal, so why would I be able to show you anything else? It may not be true. It doesn't really oxf*rd matter though given he was oxf*rd level when the ball was kicked and a goal was given.

Jesus, let it go.

Steady on old boy, I am merely pointing out a flaw in your argument that you persist with stating. Here's a little helping hand, it's page 31 of the handbook if you prefer to look for it in the FA/FIFA websites.

It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.

A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent

A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the field of play or
• he is level with the second-last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents

Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position

No offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick

Infringements and sanctions
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick).

Incidentally, "The Method of Scoring" law is Law 10, and in fact there's even a pretty picture to illustrate the point on the previous page to the offside law.

So it wasn't offside then.

[Sarah Star]

The ball was played backwards by Forte - Not offside.

Show me and the many others who dispute this point where, in the laws of the game, or in particular rule 11 entitled "Offside", it says the ball has to be played forwards...

Well, I was interested because I'm sure I saw a goal scored in this way last season when Gerrard passed the ball back to Torres and he scored when both of them were well clear of any opposing players bar the goalkeeper.

Is it this rule?:

A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent

If he is behind the ball then to recieve a pass it has to be played back to him therefore he is not offside if the ball is played backwards to him.

(I'm just asking. OK)

[Platypuss]

How are people still talking about this offside?

The ball was played backwards by Forte - Not offside.
At the time Forte played the ball Thompson was level with the defence - Not offside.
The ball went forward off a Reading player - Not offside.

Actually, only one of those three would be a reason why he wasn't offside. Do you know which?

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Because I'm not willing to spend my time a) searching for the laws of the game on the internet. b) reading them until I find the relevant section to see if it's there or not and c) because it's utterly irrelevent seeing as it wasn't offside for other reasons as well.

but you are happy to spend your time time

a) arguing a point with two incorrect assumptions
b) making another incorrect assumption (that there's nothing in the rules about a ball crossing the line for a goal) when it's pointed out you reasoning is flawed
c) trying to construct some kind of moral high ground out of being too cool to spend 30 seconds checking with a google search

[Royalee]

We lost because McDermott picked the wrong team and we played rubbish hoofball shit, end of.

[Terminal Boardom]

Anyone know how Swansea's skillful soldiers got on?

[Royalee]

Anyone know how Swansea's skillful soldiers got on?

About as well as Coppell's world class signings at Ashton Gate...

[Royal With Cheese]

Anyone know how Swansea's skillful soldiers got on?

About as well as Coppell's world class signings at Ashton Gate...

So it's a three way race to the bottom then?

FWIW looking at the fixtures before Saturday I would have thought Swansea would have had the toughest game out of the three.

[TBM]

So,TBM, you're telling me this:

If an attacking player had the ball in an attacking area of the field, had two team-mates ahead of him - one in an offside position to the left, one onside to the right - and he played the ball in the direction of the onside player, subsequent pass was deflected by an opponent into the path of the offside player, the offside player would be onside?

Ok...

Which is what happened on Saturday......the lino put his flag up cos he believed the ball went forward from a Scunny player, the ref saw it came off the Reading player so rightly over-ruled the decision. The ref didn't over-rule it cos he thought the man wasn't in an offside position (this isn't park football so would have trusted his lino, or at least consulted him) he over-ruled the decision cos the ball went forward to the man from a Reading player. As said it was travelling to the edge of the area, the deflection took the ball in a totally different direction so no way he could be given offside.

[TBM]

If he is behind the ball then to recieve a pass it has to be played back to him therefore he is not offside if the ball is played backwards to him.

(I'm just asking. OK)

Correct, if you're behind the ball then you're not offside

[Focher]

without having read all this shit i thought the scunny player was off side from the pass from the origional pass from his own player, irrespective of it hitting a Reading player. i have only seen netbusters tho

[handbags_harris]

So,TBM, you're telling me this:

If an attacking player had the ball in an attacking area of the field, had two team-mates ahead of him - one in an offside position to the left, one onside to the right - and he played the ball in the direction of the onside player, subsequent pass was deflected by an opponent into the path of the offside player, the offside player would be onside?

Ok...

Which is what happened on Saturday......the lino put his flag up cos he believed the ball went forward from a Scunny player, the ref saw it came off the Reading player so rightly over-ruled the decision. The ref didn't over-rule it cos he thought the man wasn't in an offside position (this isn't park football so would have trusted his lino, or at least consulted him) he over-ruled the decision cos the ball went forward to the man from a Reading player. As said it was travelling to the edge of the area, the deflection took the ball in a totally different direction so no way he could be given offside.

Well, quite frankly mate I don't care if you're a referee or not, if a player is in an offside position when an original pass is made in a different direction to said player, and it deflects into his path, that is offside.

But of course, the Scunthorpe player wasn't offside in the first place and therefore the correct decision was made.

We lost because McDermott picked the wrong team and we played rubbish hoofball shit, end of.

I son't think anybody is actually disputing that point.

[Man Friday]

So it wasn't offside then.

No. But not for the reason that you gave.

[Man Friday]

So,TBM, you're telling me this:

If an attacking player had the ball in an attacking area of the field, had two team-mates ahead of him - one in an offside position to the left, one onside to the right - and he played the ball in the direction of the onside player, subsequent pass was deflected by an opponent into the path of the offside player, the offside player would be onside?

Ok...

Which is what happened on Saturday......the lino put his flag up cos he believed the ball went forward from a Scunny player, the ref saw it came off the Reading player so rightly over-ruled the decision. The ref didn't over-rule it cos he thought the man wasn't in an offside position (this isn't park football so would have trusted his lino, or at least consulted him) he over-ruled the decision cos the ball went forward to the man from a Reading player. As said it was travelling to the edge of the area, the deflection took the ball in a totally different direction so no way he could be given offside.

Well, quite frankly mate I don't care if you're a referee or not, if a player is in an offside position when an original pass is made in a different direction to said player, and it deflects into his path, that is offside.

But of course, the Scunthorpe player wasn't offside in the first place and therefore the correct decision was made.

We lost because McDermott picked the wrong team and we played rubbish hoofball shit, end of.

I son't think anybody is actually disputing that point.

^ Everything Handbags said.

[Man Friday]

Because I'm not willing to spend my time a) searching for the laws of the game on the internet. b) reading them until I find the relevant section to see if it's there or not and c) because it's utterly irrelevent seeing as it wasn't offside for other reasons as well.

but you are happy to spend your time time

a) arguing a point with two incorrect assumptions
b) making another incorrect assumption (that there's nothing in the rules about a ball crossing the line for a goal) when it's pointed out you reasoning is flawed
c) trying to construct some kind of moral high ground out of being too cool to spend 30 seconds checking with a google search

^ ...and the Reverend.

[Man Friday]

Clearly their striker was in an offside position and played a ball that rebounded off an opponent.

Clearly?

Even in the screengrab above he's level and that was after the ball was played.

If he was level then nothing else matters,

Agreed.

but my point was more about bizarre claims that you can't be offside if the ball doesn't go forwards.

Agreed again.

[brendywendy]

shush now.
move along.

[TBM]

Well, quite frankly mate I don't care if you're a referee or not, if a player is in an offside position when an original pass is made in a different direction to said player, and it deflects into his path, that is offside.

But of course, the Scunthorpe player wasn't offside in the first place and therefore the correct decision was made.

the lino put his flag up, so why didn't the ref give the offside - considering the lino is supposedly in line and the ref isn't.

The ref allowed the goal cos the lino put his flag up for when the ball deflected off the Reading player to the Scunny forward - the ref knew it came to him off a Reading player so there is no way it could have been offside.