RFC - a total shambles

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by RoyalBlue » 14 Jan 2008 08:20

Gordons Cumming Yes, we are punching above our weight, and doing a pretty good job too.

Once we are established you will notice the difference in the transfer market.

All we need is a little patience, which nobbers on here don't seem to have.


We may have done a good job in the early rounds punching above our weight but we are now slumped against the ropes taking a pounding, at least in every other round.

Once we are established? Established where? We will not have the chance to become established unless we pull our fingers out and take some pretty prompt and effective action. I really am fed up with people who keep on about boom and bust. It's nonsense. Not every club has gone that way who have splashed a bit of cash to survive at this level. What's more we can learn from those clubs that did make the mistake and make sure any contracts are better worded to cover what happens if the gamble fails and the club goes down. There is a middle way and we should be looking to take it.

I believe it is nonsense to suggest that the fact we are not 'established' is the reason we can't attract players. How many actually look that far out? And those that do will know they will get the chance to jump ship or be sold if we do go down (if they wanted, they could ask for that to be in their contract). Players don't seem to be worried about joining Derby and they were happy to join Watford last season.

Money and ambition is what most people look for in most walks of life and that is particularly the case in the mercenary world of football.

Money talks but RFC are reluctant to talk and their silence looks increasingly likely to cost them dearer than the talking would.

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by 79Royal » 14 Jan 2008 08:51

I've defended out transfer dealings on here recently, but I have to concede now that we are in trouble and seemingly the only way out is new players.

I know that the club don't want to bring in 'panic four month signings', but if they are unwilling to spend at the moment, then surely a loan to the end of the season is the best option?

If Derby can sign 4 players with Premiership experience, then we must be able to match that. Whilst the players they signed aren't the type of players I'd want to see at Reading, the fact is bottom club Derby who are 13 points (?) off safety, did persuade them to sign.

The 'little old Reading' argument is wearing thin now.

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by cmonurz » 14 Jan 2008 08:54

Great post RB – you can’t ‘establish’ yourself as a Premier League club without spending and paying like one. It simply isn’t possible. We achieved 8th place last season as a fresh, football playing team riding on the back of our points record in 05/06. The players simply played out of their skin; 8th place is quite incredible, it really, really is. What a performance.

This season management has been complacent in failing to invest in improvements to the squad – and the mentality is even seeping down to the fans, some of whom (on this and other threads) think that ‘all we need’ is a defender and a midfielder. No! We need players all over the park – constant investment, constant improvement. There is better than Graeme Murty, better than Ingimarsson, better than Stephen Hunt even (believe it or not). This club nearly qualified for Europe – it’s stock had never been higher than in May ’07, but Coppell has since admitted that he felt ‘we would be fine with what we had’. Quite how you can entrust the improvement of Reading Football Club in Shane Long and Brynjar Gunnarsson is beyond me.

Lots of snide, smug remarks have been thrown Sunderland’s way in the last few weeks – yesterday they moved to within two points of us thanks to one of their signings, Kieran Richardson. If they stay up then the £20-30m spent by Keane will be completely and wholly vindicated. We won’t go bust if we spend £20-30m, and it is naive (or just stubborn) of anyone to suggest otherwise. I’d sooner we spent some money, invested in this league, and went down an ambitious and forward thinking club than get relegated as safety-first chancers who spent 12 months trying to kid the big boys into letting them play with them.

Few seem to consider the impact that relegation might have on this club – we aren’t big timers, our players would leave. Sure, the Championship looks all fun and games from up here – but what about for a squad without Sonko, Shorey, Harper, Hunt, Doyle, Lita and Kitson? And no prospect of signing better replacements?

So our club captain doesn’t read this website ‘any more’. Perhaps that is reflective of the growing gap between the ambition of RFC, and that of its fans.

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by 79Royal » 14 Jan 2008 08:58

cmonurz So our club captain doesn’t read this website ‘any more’. Perhaps that is reflective of the growing gap between the ambition of RFC, and that of its fans.


I totally, wholeheartedly agree.

Fans are usually unrealistic with their ambitions, but to see us waste an opportunity to begin establishing ourselves in the Premier League after 16 years of trying to get there under Madejski is criminal.

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by Mr Angry » 14 Jan 2008 09:03

Out come the paraquat and razor blade brigade after a wholly expected away defeat to an excellent Villa side; what is it with some people on this forum!!

:shock:

The facts are this; we are in a hugely competitive mini-league that consists of everyone below us (with the exception of doomed Derby) and possibly even Newcastle (who are a mere 6 points of a relegation spot lest the Geordies have failed to notice!!).

We have a tough run at the moment; Spurs, Villa and Chelsea away, Pompey and Man Utd at home - as many have said, its unlikely we would see many points gleaned from that lot!

BUT - those teams below us (and we still have to play most of them again, and at home) are faring just as badly; Boro have had some good results recently, but are still below us, ditto Bolton and Birmingham. These are the teams that will determine where we finish this season, not away at Villa!!

Clearly things aren't great in the camp, but why would anyone think they should be when we are where we are in the League? Frankly, I'd be MORE worried if all the signs coming out from the club was that everyone was happy with things......

However, we all knew that there were going to be times like this after we got promoted, and only the most niave thought that we would sail through this league without encountering any rough seas; its bloody easy being a fan when things are going well, isn't it?? Its at times like this that we show what we are made of as fans, and so what we have to do is be supportive of the team and of Coppell as we go through this period.


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by Tilehurst Mike » 14 Jan 2008 09:04

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brendywendy the manner of our away defeat?
its the same manner as most of the others aint it?
seems like it to me

if anything over december we started to look a different prospect, and picked up some good points
the spurs game really knocked it out of us, and we lost some players to the acn
and massive surprise returned to usual away form
itll get better in feb

FFS chill
reality check needed for the kneejerks



Kneejerks?? Reading haven't won away all season and have conceeded 32 goals in the process? That's a body jerk!!!

Have you ever visited planet Earth brendywendy?


Agreed--we are in the shite after yet abother shambolic performance. Add to this the Kitson drink driving saga, Lita's outburst, and Sidwell going on loan to Sunderland for the rest of the season, I think fans have every right to be worried about the current plight. I don't understand the logic of bringing the young lads on loan back from Bournemouth and not giving at least one of them a chance in the cup game. Why is Doyle playing when he is clearly off form? Why the hell haven't we strengthened our defence---how long have we knowne that Sonko and Bikey were going to ANC?

I think the club needs a major overhaul from top to bottom and start acting like a Premiership run club--all our other rivals at the bottom are reacting and we are not. The final straw for me is signing a central midfielder fro Czecg republic who needs to 'get up to speed' because he hasn't played for several weeks---thats really what we wanted!!

To be nonest this 'brick by brick' building is beginning to wear a bit thin and fans really deserve to see a bit of ambition in the current transfer window before it is too late. The fact that Sunderland are taking Sidwell on loan proves how much they must be paying in wages. Its time Mr Mad got a bit real don't you think??

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by cmonurz » 14 Jan 2008 09:06

Which we are Mr A – only the Wigan game has seen an attendance significantly below capacity, for example, and we still have thousands of fans loyally traveling to our away games, and generally being served up absolute rubbish by our team. The fans ARE behind Coppell and the team, but we do not have to blindly agree with the actions the club is taking (or not taking) with regards to staying in this league.

And I can’t personally be accused of ‘getting the razor blades out’, as I never put them away in the first place. :wink:

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by papereyes » 14 Jan 2008 09:06

Rev Algenon Stickleback H He's today's hero, but I still have to say that I cannot believe Jason Roberts is a premiership footballer.


I think that was perhaps the flukiest solo run through half the pitch I have ever seen.

He gets tackled in the centre circle but the tackle ends up beating the last centre back. Said centre back gets a foot in and deflects the ball past a wrong footed keeper.

I'll take that.

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by Wycombe Royal » 14 Jan 2008 09:07

Tilehurst Mike and Sidwell going on loan to Sunderland for the rest of the season

I fail to see what that has to do with it.


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by cmonurz » 14 Jan 2008 09:09

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Tilehurst Mike and Sidwell going on loan to Sunderland for the rest of the season

I fail to see what that has to do with it.


Yorke + Sidwell >> Harper + Gunnarsson.

Anyone who thinks we have three points in the bag when Sunderland visit needs their head looking at.

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by papereyes » 14 Jan 2008 09:10

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Tilehurst Mike and Sidwell going on loan to Sunderland for the rest of the season

I fail to see what that has to do with it.


Yorke + Sidwell >> Harper + Gunnarsson.

Anyone who thinks we have three points in the bag when Sunderland visit needs their head looking at.


At least we beat them up at Sunderland. We must have done, as they're a worse team than us.

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by Gordons Cumming » 14 Jan 2008 09:11

Mr Angry Out come the paraquat and razor blade brigade after a wholly expected away defeat to an excellent Villa side; what is it with some people on this forum!!

:shock:

The facts are this; we are in a hugely competitive mini-league that consists of everyone below us (with the exception of doomed Derby) and possibly even Newcastle (who are a mere 6 points of a relegation spot lest the Geordies have failed to notice!!).

We have a tough run at the moment; Spurs, Villa and Chelsea away, Pompey and Man Utd at home - as many have said, its unlikely we would see many points gleaned from that lot!

BUT - those teams below us (and we still have to play most of them again, and at home) are faring just as badly; Boro have had some good results recently, but are still below us, ditto Bolton and Birmingham. These are the teams that will determine where we finish this season, not away at Villa!!

Clearly things aren't great in the camp, but why would anyone think they should be when we are where we are in the League? Frankly, I'd be MORE worried if all the signs coming out from the club was that everyone was happy with things......

However, we all knew that there were going to be times like this after we got promoted, and only the most niave thought that we would sail through this league without encountering any rough seas; its bloody easy being a fan when things are going well, isn't it?? Its at times like this that we show what we are made of as fans, and so what we have to do is be supportive of the team and of Coppell as we go through this period.


Agreed.

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by papereyes » 14 Jan 2008 09:12

Why the hell haven't we strengthened our defence---how long have we knowne that Sonko and Bikey were going to ANC?


This really bothers me.

Why were we ever in a position where we only had one fit centre back. Fine, we have four in the squad (Ingi, Duberry, Sonko, Bikey - have I missed anyone out?) but we knew two would leave for a month in January.

So we're in a position where one injury puts us down to one fit centre back?

That's really bad preparation, if you ask me.


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by Wycombe Royal » 14 Jan 2008 09:12

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Tilehurst Mike and Sidwell going on loan to Sunderland for the rest of the season

I fail to see what that has to do with it.


Yorke + Sidwell >> Harper + Gunnarsson.

Anyone who thinks we have three points in the bag when Sunderland visit needs their head looking at.

Those would be the three points we have already got? Or have the FA ordered a rematch over Hunts controversial late winner?

As for the midfield at many last times last season the following was true:

Harper & Gunnarsson > Harper & Sidwell.

So you must be suggesting the Yorke is a better central midfielder that Harper.
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by papereyes » 14 Jan 2008 09:13

BUT - those teams below us (and we still have to play most of them again, and at home) are faring just as badly; Boro have had some good results recently, but are still below us, ditto Bolton and Birmingham. These are the teams that will determine where we finish this season, not away at Villa!!


Wigan have improved, Boro and Birmingham are getting a few more points here and there than they were.

We should not be relying on other teams being worse than us. We really, really shouldn't.

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by The whole year inn » 14 Jan 2008 09:15

Have Sunderland really signed Sidwell and Taylor?

:lol:

ROFLeading have a better chance than Sunderland at staying up

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by Schards#2 » 14 Jan 2008 09:16

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Tilehurst Mike and Sidwell going on loan to Sunderland for the rest of the season

I fail to see what that has to do with it.


A relegation rival strengthening whilst we, at best, stand still.

I wholeheartedly endorse all the comments about getting behind the team and the manager but if that extends to people being told not to voice their genuine concerns that we may be relegated on this board, we might as well close it down.

There's a world of difference between voicing such opinions and those who say XXXX is sh*t. Some people need to learn to differentiate between the two.

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by cmonurz » 14 Jan 2008 09:18

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Tilehurst Mike and Sidwell going on loan to Sunderland for the rest of the season

I fail to see what that has to do with it.


Yorke + Sidwell >> Harper + Gunnarsson.

Anyone who thinks we have three points in the bag when Sunderland visit needs their head looking at.

Those would be the three points we have already got? Or have the FA ordered a rematch over Hunts controversial late winner?

As for the midfield at many last times last season the following was true:

Harper & Gunnarsson > Harper & Sidwell.

So you must be suggesting the Yorke is a better central midfielder that Harper.


:oops:

Got a bit ahead of myself on the whole Sunderland thing – just following on really from my points about the smug attitude any Reading fans have towards Sunderland’s transfer policy. Sidwell will be a bonus to their midfield (can’t find the loan on BBC mind you) and I would not assume they will finish the season below us.

And it is laughable to suggest that Brynjar Gunnarsson is anything but a liability to our midfield.

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by Wycombe Royal » 14 Jan 2008 09:18

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Tilehurst Mike and Sidwell going on loan to Sunderland for the rest of the season

I fail to see what that has to do with it.


A relegation rival strengthening whilst we, at best, stand still.


We have no idea what players the club are after so those sort of comments can't be made until the transfer window closes. Then I might agree with you.

However we have already signed a current Czech international whilst Sunderland have only confirmed the signing of a Man Utd youngster.

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by Platypuss » 14 Jan 2008 09:19

Mr Angry Out come the paraquat and razor blade brigade after a wholly expected away defeat to an excellent Villa side; what is it with some people on this forum!!


It should be patently obvious that people are disappointed not with the result, but with the manner of the defeat.

Our side not just prides itself on team spirit and togetherness, but requires it to be successful. Recent events and announcements should be setting off alarm bells loud and clear.

There is a real last days of Rome feeling about the place at the moment and it needs sorting.

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