Team for QPR

[UpNorth]

We need someone to snuff out Tarabaat. Hull did that so well last week that Tarabatt was pleading to come off. Tabb could do a man marking job on him or maybe Zurab.

[leww_rfc]

Fed

Griff
Mills
Pearce(Ingi if not fit)
Armstrong

McAnuff
Karacan
Zurab
Kebe

Long(Church if not fit)
Hunt

Subs: Andersen, Cummings, Harte, Morrison, Antonio, Tabb, Manset

[Ian Royal]

Not Church again please.

Start with Manset and Hunt, after his injury leave Long on bench, supersub time for him.

Church played much better than Hunt on Tuesday, he had a very good game. Hunt did very little except set up a goal that didn't change the result.

[Jimbo]

Not Church again please.

Start with Manset and Hunt, after his injury leave Long on bench, supersub time for him.

Church played much better than Hunt on Tuesday, he had a very good game. Hunt did very little except set up a goal that didn't change the result.

Who says cardiff wouldn't have scored anyway and we lost 2-1?

[Ian Royal]

Me, because they wouldn't have gone schiz at the prospect of losing and started to absolutely hammer us, with us try to hold on in desperation and end up giving away a silly freekick.

[Snowball]

Hunt did very little except set up a goal that didn't change the result.

IR=Dick. If Hunt hadn't made that goal?

[Snowball]

Did Church (striker) actually have a shot or header in the game?

Did he have an assist?

[Broxroyal]

Did Church (striker) actually have a shot or header in the game?

Did he have an assist?

Don't know. could you give us the stats for how often he dragged defenders out of position, allowing others like McAnuff to move into the space.

(I wasn't there, so these stats would be welcome)

[Snowball]

Did Church (striker) actually have a shot or header in the game?

Did he have an assist?

Don't know. could you give us the stats for how often he dragged defenders out of position, allowing others like McAnuff to move into the space.

(I wasn't there, so these stats would be welcome)

Aren't strikers supposed to get shots away?

When Shane wasn't scoring goals just about the whole list said:

"Yeah he's doing work, BUT A STRIKER'S JOB IS TO SCORE GOALS"

As far as I can remember Hunt and Church between them managed ONE header over the bar (Hunt),
Church didn't have a shot or a header on or off target in 71 minutes of play.


Manset had 19 minutes on the pitch, almost got on the end of one, had a header and scored a goal.

BTW here are their season's figures.



2451 Minutes 29 Starts 01 Sub Appearances 62 SHOTS 33 ON 28 OFF 1 HW - 13 Goals A Goal every 4.75 Shots LONG (plus 3 other penalties won)
2616 Minutes 26 Starts 28 Sub Appearances 66 SHOTS 35 ON 29 OFF 2 HW - 08 Goals A Goal every 8.25 Shots (HUNT & CHURCH COMBINED)

1297 Minutes 13 Starts 12 Sub Appearances 33 SHOTS 18 ON 14 OFF 1 HW - 04 Goals A Goal every 8.25 Shots HUNT
1319 Minutes 13 Starts 16 Sub Appearances 33 SHOTS 17 ON 15 OFF 1 HW - 04 Goals A Goal every 8.25 Shots CHURCH (all goals as sub)

[Ian Royal]

Did Church (striker) actually have a shot or header in the game?

Did he have an assist?

Don't know. could you give us the stats for how often he dragged defenders out of position, allowing others like McAnuff to move into the space.

(I wasn't there, so these stats would be welcome)

His excellent contribution was more about his link up play than his movement IMO, though there was one occasion when he was screaming for the ball, free on the right handside, when a relatively simple ball from McAnuff would have put him in on goal. Instead McA wasted the chance with a poor shot from range.

I assume snowball is being rude about me some more and is now being ridiculously hypocritical (as is his want) by criticising Church - having laid into anyone who criticised Long while he was performing poorly.

[Snowball]

His excellent contribution was more about his link up play than his movement IMO, though there was one occasion when he was screaming for the ball, free on the right handside, when a relatively simple ball from McAnuff would have put him in on goal. Instead McA wasted the chance with a poor shot from range.

I assume snowball is being rude about me some more and is now being ridiculously hypocritical (as is his want) by criticising Church - having laid into anyone who criticised Long while he was performing poorly.

Long hasn't performed poorly under McDermot at all. He went through a goal drought but was being praised for his contribution all over the pitch.But what matters is not a 4 game period, or a ten game period but a season's worth, or "all games under McDermot"

Long has scored 22 goals in 46.5 games plus won 3 more penalties, 2 scored by Harte. Effectively 24 goals in 46.5 games

Church has scored 14 goals in 31 games and I have made it totally clear that I believed in him after last season and fully expected him to push on, but he has NOT. It isn't merely down to goals and assists. Sure Church does a lot of running making space, but he DOESN'T do a lot of ball-winning like Long, nor is he as efficient defensively, nor does he go where it hurts and get opposition players booked and sent off.

LAST SEASON Church did well.

THIS season he is not doing well, simple as that. Four goals. One a deflection of a Karacan shot, one a mis-hit cross, one tap-in. All four goals were late on when Church had come on as sub. You can't say it's down to not getting appearances. Church has now had 13 starts and failed to score in any. He has had a total of 29 appearances and played 1,319 minutes for his four goals, a goal every 330 minutes, a goal every 3.67 games.

Last season he was nearer a goal every 180 minutes. He is struggling in a season where we should have expected improvement.

Essentially he has always had a reputation for finding space but not doing much with it. His record at other clubs is also poor in terms of goals per minute or goals per appearance.

But I am NOT "hammering" him, or calling him gash, or saying, "Church-Time to Go", or being offensive about his character. He has shown (for half a season and a bit) that he IS capable and I have repeatedly noted that but made the point that THIS SEASON it isn't just his form, but his body-language. He just doesn't look right.

I would place him fourth on the pecking order right now. When Manset came on at Cardiff he looked far more threatening.


You also need to understand the difference between simple critical analysis and CONSIDERED, non-abusive comments about a player who is under-performing and the other kind of criticism where the player is ABUSED and ridiculed.

I am neither abusing or ridiculing Church. I simply am saying that he is badly out of form
as a goal scorer AND he doesn't contribute that much to compensate for his lack of goals.

[Chuckle Brother]

----------Feds-----------
Griffin Mills Pearce Harte
----Karacan McAnuff----
Kebe------------------Hunt
-------Long Manset-------

They're going to score a few, so lets just try and win it by scoring more and not conceding less. Not that that makes any sense

Huh ?

[RoyalJames101]

Four goals. One a deflection of a Karacan shot, one a mis-hit cross, one tap-in. All four goals were late on when Church had come on as sub.

But a goal is a goal, one thing that the stats cannot argue against.

[Snowball]

Four goals. One a deflection of a Karacan shot, one a mis-hit cross, one tap-in. All four goals were late on when Church had come on as sub.

But a goal is a goal, one thing that the stats cannot argue against.

Agreed and Church "obviously cannot score" when starting. We "know" this because he has started 13 times and failed to score

[RoyalJames101]

Four goals. One a deflection of a Karacan shot, one a mis-hit cross, one tap-in. All four goals were late on when Church had come on as sub.

But a goal is a goal, one thing that the stats cannot argue against.

Agreed and Church "obviously cannot score" when starting. We "know" this because he has started 13 times and failed to score

That's true. But Long wasn't scoring many, McDermott stuck with him and now look at him. I'm sure the same will happen to Church at some point too. But i'd probably bring back Noel, seeing as he seems to bring the best out of Long.

[Kitson12]

Did Church (striker) actually have a shot or header in the game?

Did he have an assist?

And here begins another tireless and boring tirade against any other striker BUT Long.

I don't care what you think, Church helped lay on the first goal, was a general menace, and he's much younger and newer to Championship football than Long.
So please, for once just leave it.

[Snowball]

Funny that, but in my report "Back from the game"
I said that Church had a much better game and that
he helped to set up the goal after bustling through,
failing to get a shot away and passing the ball out to Kebe.

Maybe you could try reading? I have also said that I rate him
and cannot understand why he's lost form so badly as I expected
him to push on from last year.

But, at Cardiff he didn't have a shot or header and he didn't have an assist.

That's not a tirade. It's a fact. And I base my choice of strikers on who is
overall, the best for the club. That would be Long, if fit, and then either Hunt
who isn't in brilliant form but works well with Long, or Manset, because he's
raw talent and has scored 14 goals this season.

Hence, in my eyes, Church is currently fourth choice.

That is quiet, sensible, carefully argued criticism and opinion, not the
usual HNA bollox that says a player will never be a footballer, is gash,
should go back to wherever.

[paultheroyal]

Manset in for Long, Tabb in for Leigertwood, and by god, put Antonio on the bench....please!!!!

[Ferris]

Any news on Long's fitness?

[Snowball]

Any news on Long's fitness?

My guess is that they'd keep it quiet as long as possible so QPR are kept on the hop.