Guthrie

[Ian Royal]

Not a holding midfielder he is more of a threat going forward in the final third.

For me Guthrie gives the ball away too often and cheaply.....Anyone got any stats on his pass success rate this season ?

79.3%
5th behind Drenthe, Karacan , Baird and Williams. But he averages the most passes a game by a mile. 50.8 (total 965) and the next best is Bridge on 40.7.

He's not a holding midfielder at all, but neither is he an attacking midfielder. He's a playmaker who should be playing in the middle of the park with the rest of the team playing around him.

[floyd__streete]

He has been our best player this season thus far

Nope.

[TBM]

He has been our best player this season thus far

Nope.

Nope, that would be Gunter

[floyd__streete]

He has been our best player this season thus far

Nope.

Nope, that would be Gunter

Heh

Pog > McCarthy > anyone else.

[Gordons Cumming]

He's a good player , but for me, it seems he's only interested in one thing................himself.

Don't rate him as a team player.

Oh, look at me, what a great cross field ball.................. almost as good as Beckham.

At times , I think Brian could have been right.

[ZacNaloen]

Are you sure you aren't my Dad? he was saying exactly that on the way home

[Gordons Cumming]

:lol: Are you sure you aren't my Dad? he was saying exactly that on the way home

Great minds think alike.

It obviously comes from a wise old head...........

[Royal Biscuitman]

I also think that we play too many balls through him in midfield which slows the game down

That's something the manager has either instructed the team to do or isn't bothered instructing the team not to do, same with positioning - Guthrie often plays too deep in my opinion, I assume the manager hasn't told him to play further forward though.

[Sanguine]

Jesus Christ.

I'm not footballing sage, but as I've posted millions of times over the weekend, Guthrie as an individual does not slow our football down - in fact if you actually watch him, his close control is brilliant and he generally turns and pings the ball off to someone else.

If you don't give your central midfielders options to pass to, then at times he has to attempt the ridiculous, or will lose the ball, or a pass will go astray. He hasn't had a vintage couple of games by any means, but why so many thing a midfield plodder would be a better option is totally beyond me.

[Wimb]

Helped give away the two goals on Saturday when we were comfortable, also gave away the penalty against Watford when we were coasting. Leads me to wonder if perhaps his floating free role in front of the back four can lead him to just switch off at times.

Do think he's been one of our better players this season but probably not the best, for overall consistency that has to go to McCarthy.

[Sanguine]

As for the second goal on Saturday, whilst he gave the ball away, I'm astonished at how readily people are willing to excuse Obita and Gorkss for totally standing off Ritichie who was on the edge of the penalty area, enabling him to shoot and score.

[sandman]

Once again it's always someone else's fault.

[AthleticoSpizz]

+1

[SHORT AND CURLY]

As for the second goal on Saturday, whilst he gave the ball away, I'm astonished at how readily people are willing to excuse Obita and Gorkss for totally standing off Ritichie who was on the edge of the penalty area, enabling him to shoot and score.

Well if he didn't give the ball away in the first place, we would not have to excuse Obita and Gorkss for totally standing off Ritichie who was on the edge of the penalty area, enabling him to shoot and score.

[marcusopp]

He's a good player , but for me, it seems he's only interested in one thing................himself.

Don't rate him as a team player.

Oh, look at me, what a great cross field ball.................. almost as good as Beckham.

At times , I think Brian could have been right.

Agree.
Too may players fancy themselves these days. I'd have Leigertwood back if he's fit. He holds his position and prevents the oppositions calving straight through us. I'm not saying Guthrie should never play again, but, as everyone on here agrees, not in that role!

[Ian Royal]

Once again it's always someone else's fault.

It's very very rarely solely one person's fault. Unless of course you're talking about Federici diving over a straight forward and fairly tame long shot.

but you're a bit simple, so can be forgiven for getting it wrong all the time.

[AthleticoSpizz]

I dont really think that you are getting into the spirit of this Ian

[3points]

Just had a look at the midfield for the Watford game, which was our best performance to date.

Guthrie
Karacan
McAnuff
Drenthe
Blackman

with Le Fondre up front on his own, and Gunter and Bridge as the full backs.

If I remember correctly, Karacan played the role of Guthrie's water carrier and the other three were pretty fluid in their positions. Thereby giving Guthrie options and he had a lot of "out" balls to the full backs as they bombed forward

Interesting to note that Williams, HRK and McCleary were all on the bench (with Pog). Williams replaced Drenthe on 69 mins, after which we score one and concede two

[Horsham Royal]

...prevents the oppositions calving straight through us.

moo.

[The Real Sandhurst Royal]

The Real Sandhurst Royal wrote:
Not a holding midfielder he is more of a threat going forward in the final third.

For me Guthrie gives the ball away too often and cheaply.....Anyone got any stats on his pass success rate this season ?

Ian Royal wrote: 79.3%
5th behind Drenthe, Karacan , Baird and Williams. But he averages the most passes a game by a mile. 50.8 (total 965) and the next best is Bridge on 40.7.

He's not a holding midfielder at all, but neither is he an attacking midfielder. He's a playmaker who should be playing in the middle of the park with the rest of the team playing around him.

Nearly 80% pass completion rate, 50+ passes per game.

Can the stats provided be broken down further as a midfielder who is a playmaker makes the difference in the oppositions half?

How may of the passes per game are in Reading half of the pitch and backwards?

What is the pass completion rate in the opposition half?